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Why Bernie should not drop out

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    Schmidt Wrote:
    Mcsweet Wrote:

    I disagree with you that Sanders is an opportunist. I feel that's a very cynical reading of his intentions. He is igniting the imagination of an extremely weary electorate, with the basic American idea that it's possible to create change from the bottom up -- even given the epidemic dysfunction of all branches of government in D.C.

    Mcsweet -- The reason I use the word, "opportunist" is because Sanders is tapping into a certain discontent following the Great Recession and that has been exasperated by the Republican Party obstructionism over the past seven years. Sanders could have launched his "political revolution" years ago when he was much younger in 2000, 2004, 2008 and even as an alternative to Obama in 2012...or even earlier in the 1990s. The points that Sanders is making now about the rich, corporations, inequality, single payer health care, free college, etc. are not really new. They are truly his beliefs that go way, way back, probably to the time in his 20s when he spent several months in a Kibbutz in northern Israel. I don't mean that in a derogatory sense. He is a true socialist of the kind that you will find in Denmark and Sweden. His worldviews are life long worldviews. Nothing has changed. There is no phoniness about his beliefs. He is the real deal.

    However, he is also very politically savvy, and he realized that if he would have embarked on his political revolution earlier, the political winds were just not right. So he has waited until the opportune time after the Great Recession had left it's toll on the American worker (8.7 million jobs lost over two years) and the Republicans had done everything in their power to slow job growth and otherwise make life miserable for the unemployed. It is the opportune time, and because of his age, it is also now or never.

    Schmidt thanks for your well thought out posts and views. I differ here -- what you see as opportunistic -- I just see as the right time to act on his "life's work" or the fruiton of that work -- you're old enough to understand what I mean. This consistency overall and the many battles he's fought in congress year after year is this guy's life's work. Trump on the other hand, is a businessman who clearly knows "The Art of War" inside out -- he is a brilliant opportunist. I didn't say a "brilliant man", but someone who clearly knows how to zero in and capitalize on human weakness, hubris and the rampant overestimation among Republicans of their own abilities. That's a talent. Better in my opinion if it's used for good, but...
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Schmidt, The promise for free stuff is interesting. Giving the wealthy tax cuts is giving them "free stuff" if the bills are not paid. On the other hand bringing people up to a living standard is not giving them free stuff. It is fulfilling the obligation of the country promising life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Free stuff to the poor is a term perpetuated by Romneites to legitimize expendability for the poor. Rights belonging to the poor is correct terminology. Bernie is proposing only returning a few of the rights at this time. Free education is maintaining resources. Bernie is trying to right years of wrongs. Kennedy said "ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country". He knew who should be stepping up. Did he mean get off welfare or don't take deductions?

    Chet - this is a fantastic post. May I quote this? What you're clarifying is so basic to working-class people's dignity, and frankly to their physical, mental and spiritual health, that it's utterly amazing to me that the media and the opposition have somehow convinced the public that this is pie in the sky, somehow juvenile, unattainable. The corporations and their puppet media arms have really done their work.
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    So all those members here who are bitching about the "undemocratic processes" of the Democratic Party, do what I did and become a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem. Participate in your party's functions and volunteer at the precinct level like I do. Canvass neighborhoods to support your candidate. Get off your asses and do something other than standing on the sidelines and catcall those who are busting their asses to make our democracy more fair. If you do not have time to participate in our democracy, I don't give a shit about your bitching about my party. It's not Bernie's party yet. He hasn't earned it. If you want to make it Bernie's party, then it requires hard work, not sitting at your computer and bitching.

    Schmidt - I pulled out this excerpt from the much longer post of yours because I agree with you about getting involved. Actions speak louder that words. We have to participate - it's imperative.
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    Mcsweet Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Schmidt, The promise for free stuff is interesting. Giving the wealthy tax cuts is giving them "free stuff" if the bills are not paid. On the other hand bringing people up to a living standard is not giving them free stuff. It is fulfilling the obligation of the country promising life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Free stuff to the poor is a term perpetuated by Romneites to legitimize expendability for the poor. Rights belonging to the poor is correct terminology. Bernie is proposing only returning a few of the rights at this time. Free education is maintaining resources. Bernie is trying to right years of wrongs. Kennedy said "ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country". He knew who should be stepping up. Did he mean get off welfare or don't take deductions?

    Chet - this is a fantastic post. May I quote this? What your clarifying is so basic to working-class people's dignity, and frankly to their physical, mental and spiritual health, that it's utterly amazing to me that the media and the opposition have somehow convinced the public that this is pie in the sky, somehow juvenile, unattainable. The corporations and their puppet media arms have really done their work.
    Mcsweet. Please do. The right has led an era of propaganda that has stripped the working class of pride and dignity. It starts with you can be anything you want and if you choose poor then live with it. It's your choice.
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    Schmidt Wrote:
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    Thus Schmidt, we have to continue in our old ways because of what you say? Look at the charts you published about Denmark being number 1 the US number 13. So guess you like keeping it that way because our governing system is so stuck in their ways to obstruct and twist and screw us around forever. That is what you get in a lawyer driven country; nothing is straightforward with common sense and simple here. So be proud of that. Go canvas all you like, the system stays as screwed up as it is and your efforts will not change that, because our votes have no power in this country. The PAC"s and "settled figures" determine any outcome or regulation; "money" and "connections" talk, not voters.

    I fully agree that if Bernie would be elected that indeed his promises will be torpedoed day one; due to the fact that this country is set in their ways and refuses change which smells like "socialism". Furthermore the "one percent" can't make too much money of it, so let's continue the castle lords and slave system. I hope you are proud of the way things are done in this country.

    Dutch -- This has nothing to do with what I like or don't like. I deal in reality. I am not defending the fact that Sanders will have his proposed agenda blocked in Congress. Having watched what the Republicans did to obstruct President Obama over the last seven years, I have a hard time seeing how an agenda to the far left of Obama can pass anything. You are critical of American government and so am I. I will try and work within the system and elect candidates who will have a better chance of maneuvering the political landscape to make incremental improvements as a result of compromise. You haven't offered any solutions...just a doomsday scenario. I still believe in our government...but not some of the people we elect to government. There is a difference.
    Schmidt; the only "solution" I see is a total revamp of our "rules"; first of all get rid of the "delegate" system; just let the real "votes" count. Second get "term" limits, including the supreme court. Third; rewrite the Constitution to fit the 21th century, for instance on who can have guns. etc. But yeah I agree with you that of course the "inbred" Washington clan will object and will use a million lawyers to screw up things even more instead of getting the broom and cleaning up all this stupidity
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    FreedomFighter Wrote: Bernie Sanders candidacy has and will continue to make people question our Democracy. Whether he wins or loses he is making America think in a positive way and that is a victory in itself. I have given money to Bernie's campaign even though I have never donated money to a candidate before, because I believe we need a leader who is not scared of trying to reform our elections. We don't need the Electoral College anymore. How can we forget that we got one of the worst Presidents in the history of the United States because of them in 2000? Political Parties are not suppose to decide who runs or who does not. That is suppose to be the decision of the people alone. Nothing will get done in the next four years if we don't get campaign reform. The gridlock will continue no matter what party dominates the House and Senate. Nobody is willing to negotiate because they are too worried about what their big donors will think. I believe that our Democracy is at an important crossroads. If we don't take advantage of having a Presidential candidate who truly wants to help average Americans, things are going to get worse. The two main political parties will make certain that another Bernie Sanders can ever muster strong political support again. Both political parties are vulnerable right now. It's time to take America back with our votes and our voices.
    Yes it is time the US opens its eyes; the only honest way is as done for instance as done in the Netherlands, take the "money" out of voting. Each candidate there is allowed only very limited preset funds. No adds other than a large plywood billboard on which they can paste their "face". Here it is a total corrupt circus, which is manipulated by everyone who is already "established" and has plenty of money and connections, common sense is the far from my bed show. Delegates etc. should be banned, just count only the votes an honest way, if that is possible in this country?.
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    Mainstream US Media beginning to pay some attention to Sanders after Western caucuses...

    WSJ:

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/bernie-sanders-gets-no-respect-1459117222

    Reuters:

    http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2016/03/28/why-wont-sanders-quit-the-race-because-hes-winning/

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    Bernie Sanders has not yet been vetted.
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    Schmidt Wrote: Bernie Sanders has not yet been vetted.
    Schmidt, Hillary vetted? What is her position on the cadillac tax? She says she is going to work to improve Obama Care. Would that be to raise the Cadillac Tax or illuminate it? The Cadillac Tax is going to be the single greatest blow to unions and to increased worker benefits and wages. Point being that her improvement to Obama Care has to start with a repeal. Then she proposes to create a tax credit for people whose out-of-pocket costs amount to more than 5 percent of their income. Who and how does this help? Does she not realize to claim a tax deduction millions of people would have to give up their standard deduction and file a long form. Then instead of cheap or free income tax filing they will be paying H&R Block $600 or more for the long form. I remember how Bill reformed welfare. If Bernie gets elected and gets stonewalled it will be better than Hillary getting elected and doing something.
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    Politico, September 29, 2015: Hillary Clinton: Kill Obama's 'Cadillac tax'

    “I encourage Congress to repeal the so-called Cadillac tax,” she said today in a statement. “My proposed reforms to our health care system would more than cover the cost of repealing the Cadillac tax, while also reining in skyrocketing prescription drug costs and out-of-pocket expenses for hard-working families. As president, I will continue to fight to make our health care system more value-driven and cost-efficient, and to drive down costs for patients and families.” -- Hillary Clinton, Sept 29, 2015

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    Schmidt Wrote: Bernie Sanders has not yet been vetted.
    I welcome it.
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    Politico, September 29, 2015: Hillary Clinton: Kill Obama's 'Cadillac tax'

    “I encourage Congress to repeal the so-called Cadillac tax,” she said today in a statement. “My proposed reforms to our health care system would more than cover the cost of repealing the Cadillac tax, while also reining in skyrocketing prescription drug costs and out-of-pocket expenses for hard-working families. As president, I will continue to fight to make our health care system more value-driven and cost-efficient, and to drive down costs for patients and families.” -- Hillary Clinton, Sept 29, 2015

    Schmidt, I knew Hillary's new improved position on the Cadillac zTax. Further down in my post I wrote that her first act will have to be repealing the Cadillac Tax. I was being rhetorical to point out that first she was for the Cadillac Tax and now she is against it. Her incrementalism will be to continue to repeal shameful aspects of Obama Care as they are embarrassed into view. She should have been able to see the destructiveness of the Cadillac Tax and initiated the criticism first. Her out of touch is further illustrated by one of her ACA enhancements in her official web site. She is proposing a tax credit of 5% when certain criteria are met. But in order to get a tax credit the claimant will have to file the long form. That will lose the standard deduction which is more than the credit. Plus the filer if not doing their own taxes will pay a hefty fee for the long form tax preparation. I don't see any chance at all of anybody getting the deduction if they have been a short term filer. Hillary is bad news for the lower classes.

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    For the record, I support the Cadillac Tax.

    Cigna: Affordable Care Act Cadillac Tax

    Why should the rest of us tax payers help subsidize these lavish health plans that have many perks less related to basic health needs? I disagree with Hillary on this one, but she says her plan will find other ways to compensate for the loss of revenue from the tax. Taking away that tax will create a revenue void that will shift the tax to someone else. "Me first" seems to be the mentality of that gravy train...not "We"..."Me"! America!

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    For the record, I support the Cadillac Tax.

    Cigna: Affordable Care Act Cadillac Tax

    Why should the rest of us tax payers help subsidize these lavish health plans that have many perks less related to basic health needs? I disagree with Hillary on this one, but she says her plan will find other ways to compensate for the loss of revenue from the tax. Taking away that tax will create a revenue void that will shift the tax to someone else. "Me first" seems to be the mentality of that gravy train...not "We"..."Me"! America!

    Schmidt, I am not familiar with the reasoning behind your approval of the Cadllac Tax. How are those plans subsidized unfairly ? How does one person getting more/different benefits effect somebody else that all benefits couldn't be elevated? Why not propose the Cadillac Tax being funded directly back into the ACA to reduce low end deductibles? Is there an aspect of the Cadillac Tax applying to self funded health insurance coverage?
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    The topic is Bernie should not drop out. We got off topic again.

    Paul Krugman, April 1, 2016: Feel the Math

    "First, the Sanders campaign needs to stop feeding the right-wing disinformation machine. Engaging in innuendo suggesting, without evidence, that Clinton is corrupt is, at this point, basically campaigning on behalf of the RNC. If Sanders really believes, as he says, that it’s all-important to keep the White House out of Republican hands, he should stop all that – and tell his staff to stop it too.

    "Second, it’s time for Sanders to engage in some citizenship. The presidency isn’t the only office on the line; down-ballot races for the Senate and even the House are going to be crucial. Clinton has been raising money for other races; Sanders hasn’t, and is still being evasive on whether he will ever do so. Not acceptable."

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    Krugman closes with the comment that Sanders doesn’t need to drop out, but that he needs to start acting responsibly.

    I agree with Krugman.