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60,000 Factories lost due to trade deals.

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    Do we really think trade deals are the reason "people" don't manufacture things anymore. Folks, we are on the verge of not having humans build anything. I get that it makes us feel warm and fuzzy to think that the government might have some form of control over this, but the reality is that those jobs went the way of the horse and buggy. Coal jobs went away with Drill-baby-drill. When you get free propane when you pay to drill for oil, guess what no one is going to buy coal. Those jobs are gone until we burn through 500 years of cheap propane being fracked out of the ground. Its always interesting to watch Republicans talk about how the government can't help businesses..that the market controls it, but the moment the market destroys a sector somehow the government is omnipotent and has destroyed it. Some how the government is so messed up, they can't fund the VA correctly, but are somehow organized enough to take out and entire commodity. Our education system is really messed up.
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    There are less products made to sell because people don't have money to spend to buy anything. Why is that you say. It is because money is being hoarded to securitize derivatives. Since the government superseded state gaming laws, permits front running, allows derivatives to be unregulated, then allowed almost anything under the sun to be classified in the unregulated derivative class, gave special privileges to "sophisticated investors and that is why the entrepreneurial trading market is dying taking money out of circulation leaving no money to spend. The FDR Democratic Party has to be resuscitated to bring life back to the economy. The party of the working person needs to become the party of the working person. Simple solution. Start caring about and help people to live.
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    No, it is what Keith said.
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    TJ, So you don't think the quadrillion derivative market isn't taking money away from entrepreneurial investing?
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    I think if you're trying to sell a quadrillion spatulas you research the cheapest and easiest way to make then ship them. Once they're in your US warehouse at .25/each You can entrepreneur your ass off as you sell all quadrillion to Wal-Mart at .50/each then you (who needs 3 spatulas) buys them for 2.00 each because those damned American spatulas are 8.00 each. The moral of the story is poor Americans want cheap spatulas.
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    You are partially right. But when Americans had more discretionary money the bought quality, style and appeal over cost. Shopping price is directly related to income. More money more extravagance. Put money in the hands of people that will spend it and the economy will thrive.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: You are partially right. But when Americans had more discretionary money the bought quality, style and appeal over cost. Shopping price is directly related to income. More money more extravagance. Put money in the hands of people that will spend it and the economy will thrive.

    This isn't necessarily true. Actually, none of it is true.

    Americans had more discretionary money in the post WWII era because the entirety of Europe was in shambles and they had to spend all of their money rebuilding an entire continent.

    And white Americans may have been able to purchase all of these goods, but I challenge you to prove that colored Americans were able to do the same thing post WWII.


    We used to have slaves, sharecroppers, and children doing all the work. No wonder it cost so little to buy things!

    We finally woke up as a nation and agreed that we shouldn't do that, but we still wanted our cheap goods. That's why Americans started buying goods from foreign countries. It cost less than paying someone a fair wage here in America.