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    An US drone attacked and killed 150 " terrorists" in Somalia. What is wrong with this picture? First of all did anyone from Somalia ever attack us???? Then second did they actually know who the 150 people were; may be including children and women? Third are we the judge and jury to kill people all over the globe with drones? Who the hell we think we are? I've been in Somalia; the only livable piece of land is the coastal area. People there are very poor; there is hardly any industry or food supply . Local and tribal disputes have been there forever since WWII; it used to be an Italian colony before the war. So we rather kill them, than give them food or help. Sure some rebels obstructed shipping by raiding ships. Go grab these that would be right. We've still not learned the lessons of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Just prosecute or chase the culprits but do not attack whole sovereign countries who never did this country any harm. We are on an ridiculous track by just trying to dictate the whole world to live according our way of life and just act like we own the world, Absurd. Of course this will backfire because we created again new enemy's who will eventually seek revenge. In other words if we elect an GOP President things will get even worse; slowly but surely we will get the whole world against us; except may be Israel.
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    Dutch Wrote: An US drone attacked and killed 150 " terrorists" in Somalia. What is wrong with this picture? First of all did anyone from Somalia ever attack us????

    Yes. Multiple times dating back to 1993.

    Dutch Wrote: Then second did they actually know who the 150 people were; may be including children and women?

    Yes. It was a training camp that U.S. forces were surveilling for months. There were no women or children there.

    Dutch Wrote: Third are we the judge and jury to kill people all over the globe with drones? Who the hell we think we are?

    The United States is working with the African Union and other countries to wipe out Al-Shabab, a terrorist group that is responsible for slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children. Maybe we wouldn't have to strike them with our drones if they weren't hell bent on killing thousands of more innocent men, women, and children.

    Dutch Wrote: I've been in Somalia; the only livable piece of land is the coastal area. People there are very poor; there is hardly any industry or food supply . Local and tribal disputes have been there forever since WWII; it used to be an Italian colony before the war. So we rather kill them, than give them food or help. Sure some rebels obstructed shipping by raiding ships. Go grab these that would be right.

    The United States government gives Somalia tons upon tons of food every year, but then you write off the fact that rebels raid the ships delivering the food. It also seems like you are suggesting that it's fine to use our military to grab pirates, but then you rail against military spending and the fact that our military is stationed throughout the world.

    How do you suggest we make their country better? You get angry if we interfere with their affairs and you also get angry that we aren't doing enough to make their lives better. Which one is it?

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    Al Jazeera: US: More than 150 al-Shabab fighters killed in air raid

    This is the way Al Jazeera reported it. Of course, they are just following the US report:

    The US military has carried out a drone strike against an al-Shabab training camp in Somalia over the weekend, killing at least 150 fighters.

    The Pentagon said on Monday that the strike occurred over the weekend on the camp about 195km north of the capital Mogadishu.

    "The fighters were there training and were training for a large-scale attack," Captain Jeff Davis, Pentagon spokesman, said. "We know they were going to be departing the camp and they posed an imminent threat to US and [African Union] forces.

    "It was an air operation. Initial assessments are that more than 150 terrorist fighters were eliminated."

    Davis said as many as 200 fighters were believed to be training at the camp and that the US military had been monitoring the site for several weeks before the strike.

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    I suppose we do not know all the details. If it was a training camp, would women and children have been there? Do you have reason to doubt that the fighters were training for a large-scale attack?

    There is a lot that we don't know, so I'm not ready to make sweeping statements and conclusions. I guess we will learn more in due course.

    PS -- I wrote this before reading Jared's response.

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    Drone strikes cannot kill an idea. Until soft power is wielded by the u.s. in conjunction with the nations where these organizations are involved they will never be eradicated. Furthermore change must come from within. The lack of a societal structure contributes far more to the growth of these groups. Of course so does the agitprop when a drone strike does kill civilians.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: An US drone attacked and killed 150 " terrorists" in Somalia. What is wrong with this picture? First of all did anyone from Somalia ever attack us????

    Yes. Multiple times dating back to 1993.

    Dutch Wrote: Then second did they actually know who the 150 people were; may be including children and women?

    Yes. It was a training camp that U.S. forces were surveilling for months. There were no women or children there.

    Dutch Wrote: Third are we the judge and jury to kill people all over the globe with drones? Who the hell we think we are?

    The United States is working with the African Union and other countries to wipe out Al-Shabab, a terrorist group that is responsible for slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children. Maybe we wouldn't have to strike them with our drones if they weren't hell bent on killing thousands of more innocent men, women, and children.

    Dutch Wrote: I've been in Somalia; the only livable piece of land is the coastal area. People there are very poor; there is hardly any industry or food supply . Local and tribal disputes have been there forever since WWII; it used to be an Italian colony before the war. So we rather kill them, than give them food or help. Sure some rebels obstructed shipping by raiding ships. Go grab these that would be right.

    The United States government gives Somalia tons upon tons of food every year, but then you write off the fact that rebels raid the ships delivering the food. It also seems like you are suggesting that it's fine to use our military to grab pirates, but then you rail against military spending and the fact that our military is stationed throughout the world.

    How do you suggest we make their country better? You get angry if we interfere with their affairs and you also get angry that we aren't doing enough to make their lives better. Which one is it?

    Ridiculous answer; NO SOMALIA person with a Somalia passport ever attacked the US!!!! Please provide the location and place in the US. Sure you don't get the picture, that we slowly but surely try to fight the whole world with our drones etc. Plenty of so called "terrorists" will remain in the world all over the place, thus lets "fly swat" till we are broke and they will still pop up because of us. NUTS. Yes the US should only deal with treats which are actually may take place in the US itself. All our meddling in the world exporting our weapons, movies, corruption and greed gives this result. Wake up Jared look at it from a different point of view. If China or any other country would do the same thing as we are doing in the world ; like invading whole countries and throwing death and destruction via drones wherever we like, you would immediately scream like hell. I call this being a hypocrite. So in other words you find that we have to drone the whole world and every terrorist ( which we call everyone who does not agree with us) and internal disputes in countries; can you imagine if every country in the world would do the same? So every empire comes to an end, not different for the US. Lets spent all that wasted drone money on "lead" pipes in Flint instead. Amen
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    Dutch Wrote: Ridiculous answer; NO SOMALIA person with a Somalia passport ever attacked the US!!!! Please provide the location and place in the US.

    You are changing the question now. Your initial question was when they have attacked us and I interpreted that to be United States interests. And there are multiple occasions of Somalia citizens attacking both United States business and military interests. They have also attacked many of our allies that we have agreements with to protect them if they are attacked.

    Dutch Wrote:Sure you don't get the picture, that we slowly but surely try to fight the whole world with our drones etc. Plenty of so called "terrorists" will remain in the world all over the place, thus lets "fly swat" till we are broke and they will still pop up because of us. NUTS.

    I most certainly get the picture. The African Union has asked for our help in fighting Al-Shabab and we gave it to them. What would you have said had those 150 fighters unleashed an attack that killed hundreds of innocent women and children? Would you have blamed the US for doing nothing or blamed the US for some other reason?

    Everything that's wrong in this world is not Americas fault.

    Dutch Wrote: Yes the US should only deal with treats which are actually may take place in the US itself. All our meddling in the world exporting our weapons, movies, corruption and greed gives this result.

    What if the threat is being materialized overseas? Should we just wait until they come here and conduct the attack before we do anything about it?

    Dutch Wrote:Wake up Jared look at it from a different point of view. If China or any other country would do the same thing as we are doing in the world ; like invading whole countries and throwing death and destruction via drones wherever we like, you would immediately scream like hell. I call this being a hypocrite. So in other words you find that we have to drone the whole world and every terrorist ( which we call everyone who does not agree with us) and internal disputes in countries; can you imagine if every country in the world would do the same? So every empire comes to an end, not different for the US. Lets spent all that wasted drone money on "lead" pipes in Flint instead. Amen

    I don't really know how to respond to this one.

    For starters, I was against the invasion of Iraq from the start because I was draft age and didn't want to go fight in a war that I didn't believe in. I was fine with the Afghanistan invasion, but lost faith in it after it became clear the Bush Administration was only using it as a stepping stone for Iraq. Those are the only two countries the United States has invaded in my lifetime.

    Drones are a different beast and I don't have a clear cut feeling on whether I agree with our drone wars or not. Are we creating more terrorists because of the drones or not? That's a legitimate question. Another legitimate question is what would happen if a major attack happened on American soil because we dropped the ball. If that happens close to the election then I hope you're ready for President Trump to be sworn in next January.

    The China question also doesn't make much sense because China is flexing its muscles throughout Asia and Africa both militarily (with bilateral military deals) and economically (business deals). The Chinese President, Xi Jinping, also just threatened to do whatever it takes to keep Taiwan under its orbit. I'm fine with all of these things because what China does is their business. I highly doubt we will risk WWIII over Taiwan independence or Chinese deals with other nations.

    I don't understand why you get so angry with people who disagree with you about complex issues. I don't want to "drone the whole world" and I don't want to invade every country. I also don't want a militant group that's hell bent on destroying America to get their hands on a nuclear device and level a major American city. Calling me naive or a hypocrite because I happen to think about things differently than you just muddies the discussion.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Ridiculous answer; NO SOMALIA person with a Somalia passport ever attacked the US!!!! Please provide the location and place in the US.

    You are changing the question now. Your initial question was when they have attacked us and I interpreted that to be United States interests. And there are multiple occasions of Somalia citizens attacking both United States business and military interests. They have also attacked many of our allies that we have agreements with to protect them if they are attacked.

    Dutch Wrote:Sure you don't get the picture, that we slowly but surely try to fight the whole world with our drones etc. Plenty of so called "terrorists" will remain in the world all over the place, thus lets "fly swat" till we are broke and they will still pop up because of us. NUTS.

    I most certainly get the picture. The African Union has asked for our help in fighting Al-Shabab and we gave it to them. What would you have said had those 150 fighters unleashed an attack that killed hundreds of innocent women and children? Would you have blamed the US for doing nothing or blamed the US for some other reason?

    Everything that's wrong in this world is not Americas fault.

    Dutch Wrote: Yes the US should only deal with treats which are actually may take place in the US itself. All our meddling in the world exporting our weapons, movies, corruption and greed gives this result.

    What if the threat is being materialized overseas? Should we just wait until they come here and conduct the attack before we do anything about it?

    Dutch Wrote:Wake up Jared look at it from a different point of view. If China or any other country would do the same thing as we are doing in the world ; like invading whole countries and throwing death and destruction via drones wherever we like, you would immediately scream like hell. I call this being a hypocrite. So in other words you find that we have to drone the whole world and every terrorist ( which we call everyone who does not agree with us) and internal disputes in countries; can you imagine if every country in the world would do the same? So every empire comes to an end, not different for the US. Lets spent all that wasted drone money on "lead" pipes in Flint instead. Amen

    I don't really know how to respond to this one.

    For starters, I was against the invasion of Iraq from the start because I was draft age and didn't want to go fight in a war that I didn't believe in. I was fine with the Afghanistan invasion, but lost faith in it after it became clear the Bush Administration was only using it as a stepping stone for Iraq. Those are the only two countries the United States has invaded in my lifetime.

    Drones are a different beast and I don't have a clear cut feeling on whether I agree with our drone wars or not. Are we creating more terrorists because of the drones or not? That's a legitimate question. Another legitimate question is what would happen if a major attack happened on American soil because we dropped the ball. If that happens close to the election then I hope you're ready for President Trump to be sworn in next January.

    The China question also doesn't make much sense because China is flexing its muscles throughout Asia and Africa both militarily (with bilateral military deals) and economically (business deals). The Chinese President, Xi Jinping, also just threatened to do whatever it takes to keep Taiwan under its orbit. I'm fine with all of these things because what China does is their business. I highly doubt we will risk WWIII over Taiwan independence or Chinese deals with other nations.

    I don't understand why you get so angry with people who disagree with you about complex issues. I don't want to "drone the whole world" and I don't want to invade every country. I also don't want a militant group that's hell bent on destroying America to get their hands on a nuclear device and level a major American city. Calling me naive or a hypocrite because I happen to think about things differently than you just muddies the discussion.

    Sorry Jared, I don't agree. Sure we "invaded" in your lifetime" maybe only two; since WWII a lot more; you forgot Vietnam, Korea, Cuba, Haiti now attacked not invaded yet: Syria and Libya, Mali, Sudan, Somalia, Yemen and into Pakistan to get Bin Laden (not quite "invaded" but close); what I mean is, having no respect related to borders or sovereign countries (especially with drones etc). In the case of China or others they are not using drones all over the world; except may be Israel in their area only. What you are describing is the fear of their own shadow in this country, because we do all these stupid things in the world, if anyone wants to nuke us then we deserve such for our way we stomp around the world. Due to our arrogant attitude since WWII we got some bloody noses but never learned from it; treat people around the world as you would do to yourself, then they will likely not nuke you. Except if a new Hitler would rise (Trump?) then someone else is allowed to take action. The ISIS mess is our own fault. Dictators will always be somewhere in the world. Just fight them only, if we did them no harm, and they did attack us for no reason at all. Our arrogance and bully tactics around the world will be our demise. In the meantime our media will make sure the "fear" factor works. The US never had a real war on their soil ( except the long ago civil war) so people at present have no clue what war is all about, except the brain damaged soldiers without arms or legs who sniffed agent orange, can tell you how fantastic it is; but no one listens to them anyway. Sorry, I hate the warmonger mentality here. I must say at least Kerry did his best with Iran; that is the way it should be.
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    Dutch Wrote: if anyone wants to nuke us then we deserve such for our way we stomp around the world.

    I can't believe you just said that innocent civilians deserve to be bombed to oblivion in a nuclear attack.

    American civilians don't stomp around the world. We just want to live our lives and come home after a hard days work. I'm sorry you hate the country that gave you everything you now have, but suggesting we deserve to be nuked because you disagree with our leaders foreign policy decisions is pretty fucked up.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    Dutch Wrote: if anyone wants to nuke us then we deserve such for our way we stomp around the world.

    I can't believe you just said that innocent civilians deserve to be bombed to oblivion in a nuclear attack.

    American civilians don't stomp around the world. We just want to live our lives and come home after a hard days work. I'm sorry you hate the country that gave you everything you now have, but suggesting we deserve to be nuked because you disagree with our leaders foreign policy decisions is pretty fucked up.

    I guess you don't get it; who's got the most nukes???? Why?, because we are scared to hell that someone we attacked will bite us back. Why do you need all these nukes; if this country is so sweet and caring in the world? Sorry, no country will attack US soil; but the reverse is the case. Except groups of individuals will keep attacking us if we continue our great policies and continue hating our guts because of what we have done to them. This will only escalate because of our attitude in the world.

    Read some European newspapers for a change of what they think about us. Now Europe is flooded with refugees because of us, which will affect their lives and economy in a huge way; we wash our hands and smile. Ask Trump. So I guess you are fucked up by looking at the world through colored glasses from this arrogant "island". Interview Americans who moved overseas they will tell you something you don't like. The world around you is a lot bigger place than this piece of land, you keep forgetting that.

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    Dutch Wrote: Read some European newspapers for a change of what they think about us. Now Europe is flooded with refugees because of us, which will affect their lives and economy in a huge way; we wash our hands and smile. Ask Drumpf. So I guess you are fucked up by looking at the world through colored glasses from this arrogant "island". Interview Americans who moved overseas they will tell you something you don't like. The world around you is a lot bigger place than this piece of land, you keep forgetting that.

    I've spent much of the past few years traveling around the world and the various people I've met along the way were nothing but kind to me. And I'm not only talking about tourist spots. I lived in Peru for many months and also traveled throughout Europe with my fiance and her family, who happen to be dual Irish and American citizens. I also have more than a few friends who live in both Europe and Asia and none of them seem to hate their homeland at all.

    I don't look at the world through rose colored glasses; I look at it through the glasses of a realist who understands that everything in the world isn't Americas fault. I'm also the first person to criticize American foreign policy when it goes against the values we stand for.

    Europe is flooded with refugees because of the inability for the world community to stop the Syrian civil war, which, by the way, had nothing to do with American foreign policy. The Arab Spring, which brought down autocrats and dictators throughout the Middle East is the reason for the Syrian civil war. Al-Assad's horrendous reaction to peaceful protests only angered the protesters and militant Islamic groups (which soon became known as ISIS) filled the vacuum. The refugees were caught in the middle between a government that wants to kill them and a militant group who wants to impose a strict interpretation of Islamic law on them.

    If Europe did more to bring about the end to the fighting in Syria then they wouldn't be dealing with the refugee crisis they now have. Everyone wants to blame America for everything, but Europe has hardly lifted a finger and expects America to take care of it all. The way Europe treats its refugees is only adding fuel to the fire. Instead of integrating these refugees into society they are building walls and segregating the refugees from the rest of the population.

    You might hate America, but at least we give housing, employment, and English lessons to the refugees and other immigrants we take in. We also have communities that are committed to integrating entire groups of immigrants. That is why every major city in this country has a thriving immigrant population that is actually welcome and not stigmatized.

    If you want to compare the number of immigrants who live in America with the number who live in Europe then I say "game on" because that is a battle you will most surely lose and lose badly.

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    @Lonely Bird...

    "Drone strikes cannot kill an idea. Until soft power is wielded by the u.s. in conjunction with the nations where these organizations are involved they will never be eradicated."

    Of course violence can never kill an idea, but with all due respect, the rest of your statement is so general, and the situation itself so unknown, that it's hard to know even what you are suggesting as a remedy. Soft power is not something that would work directly with Al-Shabab. For starters, militant Islamists see soft power for what it is: from their perspective, it is a Western attempt to corrupt their culture.

    "Furthermore change must come from within. The lack of a societal structure contributes far more to the growth of these groups. Of course so does the agitprop when a drone strike does kill civilians"

    The societal structure is militant Islamic. See Afghanistan, the lynching of Farkhunda Malikzada. These people are at war with western culture. There is no "reasoning" with this & quite frankly, it is not a matter of the US policing these areas, it's a matter of US protecting itself.

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    Jared, I just saw last night a documentary what shows the background of my arguments. It was about the "heroin" culture here. It showed how whole families are ruined by it. It also showed that around 129 people per day die because of overdose.

    Of course you will say what has that anything to do with drones? I'll explain: This country is so obsessed by "terrorists" and forget that their own people are killed off in a much higher rate than any terrorist achieved until now. But yeah we rather spent millions to kill one terrorist or trying to ruin an cell phone company, than care about our own people. All of this is clearly shown now with the elections; Trump only cares about himself, but millions of people adore him. Killing or extraditing people or boosting our military power as Hitler did, does not solve our internal problems; lets spent trillions on our wars and drone the whole world that will solve it for sure. Of course this is not the only thing what is wrong here; but the unbridled "drone" use will add to our further demise.

    History will learn you, that not one worldpower ever succeeded in controlling the whole world or reform it the way we want. Ask Hitler, Napoleon, Rome etc. you know the answer.

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    Again a car bomb exploded in Ankara, Turkey; another terrorist attack in Ivory Coast killing 20 people. So are we also sending "drones" over there? Of course no one here will admit that we are on the total wrong track related to our militaristic solutions for the world. Sorry we are a bunch of hypocrites hiding on this island and are scared for our own shadows. Lets fix this country for a change, instead of fly swatting with our drones around the world without any result except creating more and more people who want revenge. Jared your statement:

    "Europe is flooded with refugees because of the inability for the world community to stop the Syrian civil war, which, by the way, had nothing to do with American foreign policy". No of course not, Wow; due to our invasion and appointing Maliki we created an environment for Isis to expand into Iraq. We never had any decent policy related to Syria and just started attacking Syria after ISIS expanded into Iraq. Sorry to say we had our bloody noses into it since Bush. No the world did not start it but we did. The more we try to eradicate them, the more will pop up; liking shooting govers.

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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, I just saw last night a documentary what shows the background of my arguments. It was about the "heroin" culture here. It showed how whole families are ruined by it. It also showed that around 129 people per day die because of overdose.

    Of course you will say what has that anything to do with drones? I'll explain: This country is so obsessed by "terrorists" and forget that their own people are killed off in a much higher rate than any terrorist achieved until now. But yeah we rather spent millions to kill one terrorist or trying to ruin an cell phone company, than care about our own people. All of this is clearly shown now with the elections; Drumpf only cares about himself, but millions of people adore him. Killing or extraditing people or boosting our military power as Hitler did, does not solve our internal problems; lets spent trillions on our wars and drone the whole world that will solve it for sure. Of course this is not the only thing what is wrong here; but the unbridled "drone" use will add to our further demise.

    History will learn you, that not one worldpower ever succeeded in controlling the whole world or reform it the way we want. Ask Hitler, Napoleon, Rome etc. you know the answer.

    Don't even get me started on this issue. I do a hell of a lot more than watch documentaries to help drug addicts and the destitute. You keep forgetting that I'm a former social worker, but I should probably put former in quotes because once you're a social worker you're always a social worker. I'm not afraid to sit down and have conversation with a homeless person to make sure they know about the services our city has for them and I'm not afraid to talk to someone strung out on drugs to see if they want to get some medical help. I may not be a paid social worker anymore, but I still spend many hours of my days volunteering my time to help the weakest among us.

    And yes, I will say this has nothing to do with combat drones because this has nothing to do with combat drones. You seem to forget that we are a country that has local, state, and federal laws. We don't arrest drug addicts in Oregon; we try to get them help. Other states arrest drug addicts and throw them in prison for 25 years.

    Do I want the federal government to come to an agreement, decriminalize all drugs, and redirect the money they spend locking people up in prisons on programs that will help those who have fallen into drug addiction? YES! A million times YES. But that has absolutely nothing to do with bombing a terrorist camp in Somalia.

    Dutch Wrote: "Europe is flooded with refugees because of the inability for the world community to stop the Syrian civil war, which, by the way, had nothing to do with American foreign policy". No of course not, Wow; due to our invasion and appointing Maliki we created an environment for Isis to expand into Iraq. We never had any decent policy related to Syria and just started attacking Syria after ISIS expanded into Iraq. Sorry to say we had our bloody noses into it since Bush. No the world did not start it but we did. The more we try to eradicate them, the more will pop up; liking shooting govers.

    Here's the thing. You will blame America no matter what happens in the world. If we don't act, you blame us. If we do act, you blame us. A dictator slaughters his people? Let's blame America. Refugees fleeing from war torn countries in an attempt to save their lives? Damn Americans. Is there anything you won't blame us for?

    I encourage you to read (or watch some documentaries) about European conquests in the Middle East before the end of WWII. If anyone is to blame for the shit show that is the modern Middle East, it's the Europeans who carved up the region like it was a damn jigsaw puzzle and expected everything to be peaches and cream after they packed up and left the region to fend for itself.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Jared, I just saw last night a documentary what shows the background of my arguments. It was about the "heroin" culture here. It showed how whole families are ruined by it. It also showed that around 129 people per day die because of overdose.

    Of course you will say what has that anything to do with drones? I'll explain: This country is so obsessed by "terrorists" and forget that their own people are killed off in a much higher rate than any terrorist achieved until now. But yeah we rather spent millions to kill one terrorist or trying to ruin an cell phone company, than care about our own people. All of this is clearly shown now with the elections; Drumpf only cares about himself, but millions of people adore him. Killing or extraditing people or boosting our military power as Hitler did, does not solve our internal problems; lets spent trillions on our wars and drone the whole world that will solve it for sure. Of course this is not the only thing what is wrong here; but the unbridled "drone" use will add to our further demise.

    History will learn you, that not one worldpower ever succeeded in controlling the whole world or reform it the way we want. Ask Hitler, Napoleon, Rome etc. you know the answer.

    Don't even get me started on this issue. I do a hell of a lot more than watch documentaries to help drug addicts and the destitute. You keep forgetting that I'm a former social worker, but I should probably put former in quotes because once you're a social worker you're always a social worker. I'm not afraid to sit down and have conversation with a homeless person to make sure they know about the services our city has for them and I'm not afraid to talk to someone strung out on drugs to see if they want to get some medical help. I may not be a paid social worker anymore, but I still spend many hours of my days volunteering my time to help the weakest among us.

    And yes, I will say this has nothing to do with combat drones because this has nothing to do with combat drones. You seem to forget that we are a country that has local, state, and federal laws. We don't arrest drug addicts in Oregon; we try to get them help. Other states arrest drug addicts and throw them in prison for 25 years.

    Do I want the federal government to come to an agreement, decriminalize all drugs, and redirect the money they spend locking people up in prisons on programs that will help those who have fallen into drug addiction? YES! A million times YES. But that has absolutely nothing to do with bombing a terrorist camp in Somalia.

    Dutch Wrote: "Europe is flooded with refugees because of the inability for the world community to stop the Syrian civil war, which, by the way, had nothing to do with American foreign policy". No of course not, Wow; due to our invasion and appointing Maliki we created an environment for Isis to expand into Iraq. We never had any decent policy related to Syria and just started attacking Syria after ISIS expanded into Iraq. Sorry to say we had our bloody noses into it since Bush. No the world did not start it but we did. The more we try to eradicate them, the more will pop up; liking shooting govers.

    Here's the thing. You will blame America no matter what happens in the world. If we don't act, you blame us. If we do act, you blame us. A dictator slaughters his people? Let's blame America. Refugees fleeing from war torn countries in an attempt to save their lives? Damn Americans. Is there anything you won't blame us for?

    I encourage you to read (or watch some documentaries) about European conquests in the Middle East before the end of WWII. If anyone is to blame for the shit show that is the modern Middle East, it's the Europeans who carved up the region like it was a damn jigsaw puzzle and expected everything to be peaches and cream after they packed up and left the region to fend for itself.

    Jared, it seems that you can't grasp the whole picture; lets fix things at home first and then if we are "clean" then we can tell the world that we are an "example". You don't seem to understand that this country is on a total wrong track. Indeed we ourselves kill more Americans than terrorists do. You just drag out pieces but can't put things in a broad view perspective; I noticed most Americans, because of their schooling can't absorb an satellite view of the world around them. They are trained just on one subject and tunnel vision, which you show. Indeed there is a connection between drones and drug addiction, because we close our eyes for internal problems and use our tax money rather for drones in places we have no business being there at all, than fixing this country. Sure I blame the US; please name all the places on the world where we have or are "meddling" or using our influence. We already made NATO a slave of us; by certain agreements written such way that they have to oblige to our foreign policies even if it is no concern to EU countries. Yes I do blame this number one country for creating the most mess in the world since WWII. Forget being "number one"; a Trump figure really shows how we as a country are educated the wrong way and keep going in the wrong direction. Wake up Jared and smell the cordite.