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  • Independent
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    The next president of the United States will be Trump. And the shitstorm will be enormous. He just might end up being the first president impeached and convicted.

    Hillary will NOT beat him despite any current polls showing otherwise. Unfortunately the media will play the roll of lapdog for the Republican Party which hates her more than they do Trump and more than they care about the country as a whole.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I'll have to strongly disagree with you. If the Republicans nominate Drumpf then they are effectively giving the Democrats the Presidency and the Senate. Republicans already have the nearly impossible task in retaining the Senate no matter their nominee. Nominating Drumpf will virtually guarantee a Democratic majority Senate.

    Solidly Democratic states already have roughly 230 electoral college votes in their column for November. Swing states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Virginia would never vote for Drumpf.

    And any Democrats who says they would stay home if Hillary is the nominee are simply lying. I have a pretty strong feeling that they will change their minds when they are faced with the choice of voting for Hillary or watching Drumpf taking the oath of office in January.

    Look--I'm a Bernie supporter, but if Democratic primary voters choose Hillary then I'll vote for her. It's not even a difficult choice for me. Democrats always shoot themselves in the foot because they want a candidate to be perfect in every single way and then don't vote when they don't get their way. Then we get stuck with people like George W. for eight years and a fanatical Tea Party that has stymied President Obama's agenda since 2010.

    Republicans win when Democrats don't vote. I'd much rather have a second Clinton Presidency than a Drumpf or Cruz Presidency.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    lonely bird is probably right. I have been saying from the beginning that Trump is resonating with and taking advantage of the major lower class discontent. It is an evolving discontent. He is tuned in. There are too many things that are camoflauged by politically correctness. Consider his major flagrant violations from a logical perspective. McCain got shot down doing his job. A lot more people get killed doing their job. What elevated McCain to hero status? Doing his job? While in captivity he signed papers incriminating himself and his country. He was doing his job when he got shot down. A disillusioned population that supplied most of the soldiers that got killed understand that the soldiers were killed doing their job. Was Trump mean to a Megan Kelly that threw the first punch. She does not evoke sympathy for doing her job and then being portrayed a victim. Trump mocking the physically disabled reporter was totally in line with accepted humor of his supporters although a flagrant violation of "real" people. Look at the status of bullies vs victims in the minds of his supporters. In school bullies are essentially given a free ride. People generally concede that school bullies are just kids being kids. They don't acknowledge that victims may not be able to defend themselves. Trump is speaking the mind of a significant number that have been brainwashed by the right wing talk stars into thinking that if you fail it is your own fault. That relegates victims to being people that don't stand up for themselves. jaredsxtn, this is the army that I say the talk stars have created. Rugged individualists that take care of their own problems. Unfettered free speech has allowed politically correctness to be identified as a crutch for the weak. Trump is going to be hard to stop because he is the hero of the right wing and the right wing talk stars. Trump has elevated discrimination to a personal choice. I remember Trump praising golf as a perfect background for facilitating good deals. Criticising Trump is a losing strategy because it is criticising his supporters. His supporters are a growing number because more and more people are being identified by Trump. Disillusioned Bernie supporters will see a choice between Hillary and Trump. Trump wins because he can show more grief than good from 30 years of Clintons. Starting now with Hillary's hedge fund son in law going back to kicking people off welfare. Trump is not a fluke, he is millions of people.
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    Chet: trump is millions of people who lack the ability to critically think. Trump got where he is in business precisely because of the non-existent free market theology that has screwed those same millions of people. Cognitive dissonance much?

    jared: I actually heard a guy who claimed to be a dem say that he was voting for trump. I simply told him trump was an idiot. Polls at this time aren't accurate and even up to Election Day they can be inaccurate. I do think Chet is right that trump has framed the debate in terms of anger which resonates with those crapped on. Toss in a massive dose of racism and this is what we get. Btw, if I am wrong, and I hope I am, I will happily eat a big plate of crow.

    meanwhile the world is laughing at us.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    lonely bird Wrote: jared: I actually heard a guy who claimed to be a dem say that he was voting for trump. I simply told him trump was an idiot. Polls at this time aren't accurate and even up to Election Day they can be inaccurate. I do think Chet is right that trump has framed the debate in terms of anger which resonates with those crapped on. Toss in a massive dose of racism and this is what we get. Btw, if I am wrong, and I hope I am, I will happily eat a big plate of crow.

    It all depends on where that supposed Democrat lives. I highly doubt any Democrat in the states that actually matter in this election will be voting for Drumpf.

    There are still plenty of Southern Dixicrats who are Democrats in name only. Thankfully the old, white men who lost their absolute power after the Civil Rights revolution no longer get to dictate the trajectory of our country.

    We seem to be forgetting that angry white people are not the majority in this country. They may be the majority in the Republican Party, which is why Drumpf is running away with the nomination, but there are plenty of sane and rational people who would never vote for a xenophobic fascist to be the next President.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    lonely bird Wrote: jared: I actually heard a guy who claimed to be a dem say that he was voting for trump. I simply told him trump was an idiot. Polls at this time aren't accurate and even up to Election Day they can be inaccurate. I do think Chet is right that trump has framed the debate in terms of anger which resonates with those crapped on. Toss in a massive dose of racism and this is what we get. Btw, if I am wrong, and I hope I am, I will happily eat a big plate of crow.

    It all depends on where that supposed Democrat lives. I highly doubt any Democrat in the states that actually matter in this election will be voting for Drumpf.

    There are still plenty of Southern Dixicrats who are Democrats in name only. Thankfully the old, white men who lost their absolute power after the Civil Rights revolution no longer get to dictate the trajectory of our country.

    We seem to be forgetting that angry white people are not the majority in this country. They may be the majority in the Republican Party, which is why Drumpf is running away with the nomination, but there are plenty of sane and rational people who would never vote for a xenophobic fascist to be the next President.

    The guy lives in ne Ohio. Same approximate area where I live. Rural Ohio is pretty redneck but this guy wasn't rural iirc.

    I hope you are right but those same people voted for bush (yes, I know that there were irregularities in 2004) despite the lies of Iraq and the failure of Afghanistan.

  • Center Left
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    Trump may become prez. Who knows. I for one worry about him getting the largest big stage with the brightest spot light and his hateful ways bringing out an attempt on his life. I hope no politician falls that way but it seems like an attempt could happen.
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    I reluctantly must agree with lonely bird. The typical American voter has no idea of what or why they are voting for or of the consequences of their vote. They constantly vote against their own best interests.

    Trumpy will win because his base is motivated and dumb and the Dems are not. Liberals can't see the writing on the wall. They believe it is impossible any sane person could not Republican, let alone for Trump and so they will stop their feet and say "I've voting for Jill Stein" and die him the election. Hillary is a piss poor candidate and actually nothing more than a Republican light, semi-moderate from the 70's. She has no charisma or charm (to say the least). I'll vote for her as she is the least dangerous of all the Republicans running but, unbelievable as it may be, Trumpy is the second least dangerous.

    Bernie has lost it - the American public isn't and will never "Feel the Bern". He was the best chance this country has seen in fifty years but people are too stupid and self -absorbed to even understand why. Perhaps Elisabeth Warren will pop up in eight more years and take the Presidency back from Trumpy (if he hasn't been impeached before then) but I'm not holding my breath!

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Here's two reasons why Bernie might have a difficult time being elected:

    CNN: How did a socialist kibbutz influence Bernie Sanders?

    Daily Beast: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/02/28/when-bernie-sanders-thought-castro-and-the-sandinistas-could-teach-america-a-lesson.html

    Now what would Donald Trump have to say about this?

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    lonely bird Wrote: The guy lives in ne Ohio. Same approximate area where I live. Rural Ohio is pretty redneck but this guy wasn't rural iirc.


    I hope you are right but those same people voted for bush (yes, I know that there were irregularities in 2004) despite the lies of Iraq and the failure of Afghanistan.

    Democrats need to win Cuyahoga, Franklin, Hamilton, and Lucas counties. That's it. I'm not worried about the rural folk in Ohio. If the rural folk in this country always had their way then we would have no federal government at all. People who live in cities actually understand that we need a functioning government at the local, state, and federal level.
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    lonely bird, right or wrong you will be spared eating crow for identifying the possible results. Political trends are determined from a large array of sources. From intuitive analysis comparing actions to results of historically similar circumstances to the loudest name heard in the grocery store line. I would say that the majority opinion is more sensational than fact based. The income gap and the top .001 are universally associated with our deteriorating economic system. People hear about the problems and hear Trump repeating those problems. Then they hear Trump being attacked. The natural reaction is Trump is being attacked for sticking up for the low class. Politically correct prevents using the low class and lower class terms but they know how to complete the comparative of upper class and middle class. Attacking and criticising Trump will only strengthen support and even widen support from the lower classes. I can't count how many times I have said " if he isn't going to raise the pay scale who is he going to make America great for. The only thing that re sounds with Trump supporters is "winning" and "bringing jobs back". Hillary can't offer anything without being challenged for not already producing. She is offering nothing disruptive just improving what we already have. That works for people that have discretionary income but it is bad news for the multiple millions that don't. There are multiple exceptions to the affordable care act that are manifesting as well as skyrocketing prescription and OTC drug prices. What Hillary is offering is a slow down on expenses. That means nothing to people that can't already afford co-pays and climbing prices. Hillary's strategy to get elected is leaving a lot more people behind and Trump will call her on it.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    lonely bird Wrote: The guy lives in ne Ohio. Same approximate area where I live. Rural Ohio is pretty redneck but this guy wasn't rural iirc.


    I hope you are right but those same people voted for bush (yes, I know that there were irregularities in 2004) despite the lies of Iraq and the failure of Afghanistan.

    Democrats need to win Cuyahoga, Franklin, Hamilton, and Lucas counties. That's it. I'm not worried about the rural folk in Ohio. If the rural folk in this country always had their way then we would have no federal government at all. People who live in cities actually understand that we need a functioning government at the local, state, and federal level.
    However this is the same state that elected Kasich. And he ain't no saint either considering he just signed legislation pulling funding from planned parenthood.
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    lonely bird Wrote: However this is the same state that elected Kasich. And he ain't no saint either considering he just signed legislation pulling funding from planned parenthood.

    That's because those four counties were too lazy to get out and vote in 2010 and 2014.

    There's many things that frustrate me about modern day Democrats, but the main thing is that they tend to think they only need to show up to the polls whenever there's a Presidential election.

    Kasich was elected and then reelected when a Presidential candidate wasn't on the ballot. If there's something Democrats need to learn from Republicans, it's that voting actually does matter. Even when it's not a Presidential election year.

    Republicans have learned that. I just wish Democrats would too.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    lonely bird Wrote: However this is the same state that elected Kasich. And he ain't no saint either considering he just signed legislation pulling funding from planned parenthood.

    That's because those four counties were too lazy to get out and vote in 2010 and 2014.

    There's many things that frustrate me about modern day Democrats, but the main thing is that they tend to think they only need to show up to the polls whenever there's a Presidential election.

    Kasich was elected and then reelected when a Presidential candidate wasn't on the ballot. If there's something Democrats need to learn from Republicans, it's that voting actually does matter. Even when it's not a Presidential election year.

    Republicans have learned that. I just wish Democrats would too.

    Agree completely. Obama allegedly galvanized young voters in 2008. Where the hell were they during the mid-terms?

    people piss me off. I like them but don't get them.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    lonley bird, the reason people make you mad is that you judge them on a standard of logic, common sense and maturity. I don't understand how to predict the outcome of the public on any particular issue but what I have learned is to be prepared for anything and react to that. A person that can display a repertoire of correct assessments of public opinion is lucky and or talented. Trump is lucky and talented. Too bad he is not compassionate. His "Make America Great Again" is working because so many people are affected by poor economic conditions. Luck, talent and "charisma" are how he benefits by holding, expanding and building support from all circumstances.