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    MSN: Tim Tebow gives Central Florida church a "Real Life" lesson about God's crazy love

    "CLERMONT - Last weekend, Tim Tebow gave special needs kids throughout the world a "Night to Shine," and on this Sunday he gave a standing-room only church congregation in Clermont a day to remember.

    "They came from all over the state; thousands upon thousands of them - black and white, old and young, Baptists and Catholics, Seminoles and Gators. Traffic cops were hired to handle the logjam and some even tried to camp out on the doorstep Saturday night so they could get a front row seat.

    "I would argue we do know Tebow because he's never changed. He's the guy who was doing missionary work in high school. He's the guy who preaches to prisoners on death row and has a hospital for the underprivileged in the Philippines. He's the guy whom the tabloids reported recently broke up with his beauty queen girlfriend because of his pre-marital virginity vow."

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    Please I am not wanting to make this tread about religion per se. It's about the effect that someone like Tim Tebow or Pope Francis or Bernie Sanders or Jimmy Carter can have in connecting with both young and old people. Certain people have that effect on the large masses of people. I won't call it charisma, but that could be part of it.

    Tim Tebow has his share of critics (some outright haters), especially for introducing his religious beliefs onto the football field. But he also has an enormous following, and one cannot help but admire the guy for standing up for what he believes. I have never heard a hateful word coming out of Tim Tebow's mouth...ever. And maybe that's his real appeal.

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    Schmidt, it only shows how nuts this country has become, sorry religion never should be a part of "governing". It is kind of weird what is happening in this country; has "sports" also become a religion. Why are we so different from Buddhism; which religion seldom gets into the news or is pushed upon others. In the case of Trump, "religion" or "football player's "again are used as a tool to get "votes"
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    Schmidt Wrote: Please I am not wanting to make this tread about religion per se. It's about the effect that someone like Tim Tebow or Pope Francis or Bernie Sanders or Jimmy Carter can have in connecting with both young and old people. Certain people have that effect on the large masses of people. I won't call it charisma, but that could be part of it.

    Tim Tebow has his share of critics (some outright haters), especially for introducing his religious beliefs onto the football field. But he also has an enormous following, and one cannot help but admire the guy for standing up for what he believes. I have never heard a hateful word coming out of Tim Tebow's mouth...ever. And maybe that's his real appeal.

    I think what he's doing is great. He has strong beliefs and he actually lives by them. How many of us go to talk with prisoners on death row or open up hospitals in the Philippines? I wish that every Christian lived their lives the same way he does.

    I also have no problem with him professing his religious beliefs on the football field. How many athletes thank God after winning something? At least he thanked God before, during, and after any win or loss.

    The definition of atheism literally translates to someone who doesn't believe in a God. It doesn't mean that I should ridicule anyone who does. He not only talks the talk, but walks the walk when it comes to what he believes in. No one should get angry about that.

    My line in the sand is drawn when our representatives try to pass laws that put one religion in front of another. Who or what someone worships doesn't matter to me in the least and shouldn't matter to anyone who proclaims to be an agnostic or atheist.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote: Please I am not wanting to make this tread about religion per se. It's about the effect that someone like Tim Tebow or Pope Francis or Bernie Sanders or Jimmy Carter can have in connecting with both young and old people. Certain people have that effect on the large masses of people. I won't call it charisma, but that could be part of it.

    Tim Tebow has his share of critics (some outright haters), especially for introducing his religious beliefs onto the football field. But he also has an enormous following, and one cannot help but admire the guy for standing up for what he believes. I have never heard a hateful word coming out of Tim Tebow's mouth...ever. And maybe that's his real appeal.

    I think what he's doing is great. He has strong beliefs and he actually lives by them. How many of us go to talk with prisoners on death row or open up hospitals in the Philippines? I wish that every Christian lived their lives the same way he does.

    I also have no problem with him professing his religious beliefs on the football field. How many athletes thank God after winning something? At least he thanked God before, during, and after any win or loss.

    The definition of atheism literally translates to someone who doesn't believe in a God. It doesn't mean that I should ridicule anyone who does. He not only talks the talk, but walks the walk when it comes to what he believes in. No one should get angry about that.

    My line in the sand is drawn when our representatives try to pass laws that put one religion in front of another. Who or what someone worships doesn't matter to me in the least and shouldn't matter to anyone who proclaims to be an agnostic or atheist.

    Sorry Jared; everywhere "religion" gets dragged into it, then it becomes "hypocritical" ; you should know better, that nothing " up there" determines the outcome of a football game or our wars or who wins the Presidency. Humans are on their own on this miserable tiny nothing planet and determine their own destiny or demise.
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    Dutch Wrote: Sorry Jared; everywhere "religion" gets dragged into it, then it becomes "hypocritical" ; you should know better, that nothing " up there" determines the outcome of a football game or our wars or who wins the Presidency. Humans are on their own on this miserable tiny nothing planet and determine their own destiny or demise.

    I believe that nothing "up there" determines the outcome of a football game, who wins wars, or who wins the Presidency, but I don't judge people for believing in a higher power. I live by the literal definition of atheism, which is that I don't believe in a God. What other people believe in is their right and I'll never judge them for it. I'm not a militant atheist; I'm just an atheist.

    As I said earlier, I draw the line when it comes to my government bringing religion into lawmaking. Tim Tebow believing in a higher power and actually not being a dick about it is A-OK with me. I'm not going to lose any sleep about his missionary work.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Sorry Jared; everywhere "religion" gets dragged into it, then it becomes "hypocritical" ; you should know better, that nothing " up there" determines the outcome of a football game or our wars or who wins the Presidency. Humans are on their own on this miserable tiny nothing planet and determine their own destiny or demise.

    I believe that nothing "up there" determines the outcome of a football game, who wins wars, or who wins the Presidency, but I don't judge people for believing in a higher power. I live by the literal definition of atheism, which is that I don't believe in a God. What other people believe in is their right and I'll never judge them for it. I'm not a militant atheist; I'm just an atheist.

    As I said earlier, I draw the line when it comes to my government bringing religion into lawmaking. Tim Tebow believing in a higher power and actually not being a dick about it is A-OK with me. I'm not going to lose any sleep about his missionary work.

    But then again, it's difficult for a grown up to respect anything that comes out of the mouth of a so called "adult" that believes in fairy tales.

    I have NO respect or interest in fools like Tebow. Any good they may accomplish in the world is overshadows by the ignorance the try to sell to others.

    If he wants to believe in unicorns and fairies, fine - let him go in the closet and close the door behind himself but don't subject us to his ignorance and superstition!

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    Jared, neither I'm an "militant" atheist; however I hate "hypocrites" who use religion as a "tool" to get out from under any responsibility or reality. Just look at our elections; how many times did you hear the word "evangelicals"? Are we electing "god" or "earthly" microscobic people who are hypocrites.?
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    pr Wrote: But then again, it's difficult for a grown up to respect anything that comes out of the mouth of a so called "adult" that believes in fairy tales.

    Then you must not respect anything that comes out of nearly 80% of the worlds population. That makes it pretty difficult to respect damn near anyone then.

    pr Wrote: I have NO respect or interest in fools like Tebow. Any good they may accomplish in the world is overshadows by the ignorance the try to sell to others.

    If he wants to believe in unicorns and fairies, fine - let him go in the closet and close the door behind himself but don't subject us to his ignorance and superstition!

    You have no respect for someone who volunteers his time to talk with prisoners on death row and builds hospitals for orphans in third world countries?

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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, neither I'm an "militant" atheist; however I hate "hypocrites" who use religion as a "tool" to get out from under any responsibility or reality. Just look at our elections; how many times did you hear the word "evangelicals"? Are we electing "god" or "earthly" microscobic people who are hypocrites.?

    But you berate anyone who says they believe in God. Why does it matter so much to you what someone you have never met believes in? Tim Tebow is a private citizen. He can believe in whatever the hell he wants to believe in.

    There's a difference between a private citizen being a philanthropist and a politician trying to pass legislation that favors one religion over another. However, this conversation is not about politicians trying to pass religious legislation; it's about a former football player who happens to believe in God who actually practices what he preaches.

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    It's not what this idiot Tebow believes it's the fact that he is a young sports figure and people tend to look up to these types of people, as they worship movie/media stars. They have, because of their "status" in society, the ability to sway other young, under-educated and ill-informed people and it's because of this power that people like Tebow are a constant threat to society. Not unlike all the Republican candidates for president, I might add. When people like Tebow and Tom Brady support the likes of Trump they are destroying our society and their own futures.

    The fact that he (or anyone else for that matter) visits sick people/kids in hospitals is immaterial - Mother Teresa did the same thing and we all know what her real agenda was and what she really was. Why do you think Christians (evangelicals especially) spend so much time "being good citizens"? It's not because they are good people but rather they have been conditions (brainwashed if you like) to spread their toxic knowledge far and wide. A prime example is the "good Christian" missionaries who are now in Africa selling their own particular vision of hate against homosexuals to the local politicians and populace. Do they believe they are doing "Gods work"? Most likely they honestly do but we know better - don't we?

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    pr Wrote: It's not what this idiot Tebow believes it's the fact that he is a young sports figure and people tend to look up to these types of people, as they worship movie/media stars. They have, because of their "status" in society, the ability to sway other young, under-educated and ill-informed people and it's because of this power that people like Tebow are a constant threat to society. Not unlike all the Republican candidates for president, I might add. When people like Tebow and Tom Brady support the likes of Trump they are destroying our society and their own futures.

    So any famous person who believes in God is destroying society? I never realized they had that much power to bring our country down.

    I am a big sports fan and have been for my entire life, but I never remember thinking "I want to convert to Islam because Muhammad Ali belongs to it." I have also been a big movie fan for much of my life and loved watching Superman movies when I was growing up, but I never remember thinking "I want to become a Unitarian because Christopher Reeve belongs to it."

    People don't join religion because some athlete or actor is a part of it. Most people join a certain religion because their parents dragged them along to their house of worship as a young kid or because they made the choice to join a religion later in their lives. Maybe they joined a religion because they were in love and it was important to their spouse or maybe the joined a religion because something was missing in their lives and they thought they could fill the void by joining one.

    Humans have believed in a higher power since we started walking upright thousands of years ago. Berating people who believe in a higher power only reinforces their beliefs more. I say live and let live. My line is drawn when it's brought into my government.

    pr Wrote: The fact that he (or anyone else for that matter) visits sick people/kids in hospitals is immaterial - Mother Teresa did the same thing and we all know what her real agenda was and what she really was. Why do you think Christians (evangelicals especially) spend so much time "being good citizens"? It's not because they are good people but rather they have been conditions (brainwashed if you like) to spread their toxic knowledge far and wide. A prime example is the "good Christian" missionaries who are now in Africa selling their own particular vision of hate against homosexuals to the local politicians and populace. Do they believe they are doing "Gods work"? Most likely they honestly do but we know better - don't we?

    He didn't just visit a hospital; he built one.

    The vast majority of hospitals are built and run by religious organizations. The Catholic run hospital that saved my life when I had a brain hemorrhage at the age of 13 didn't give me a religious test before the doctors would operate on me. And the Jewish run hospital that took in my dying Christian grandpa at the end of his life didn't give him one either. I'd love for an atheist hospital to pop up somewhere in this country, but until they become the norm then religious hospitals will continue to be the norm.

    I just don't understand why so many atheists care what someone else believes in. The 1st Amendment gives people the right to worship whatever they want and prevents the government from picking winners and losers. I believe in a persons right to worship the Christian God as much as I believe in someones right to worship the Flying Spaghetti Monster. I wish more atheists lived by the literal definition of the word. A (without) theism (a belief in God). That's it.

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    Jared, you must be kidding; I hope that you as an claimed atheist believe in reality and science. So in other words if the whole society runs after Trump or Cruz, because they "believe" and use it to their advantage that is all right with you? If you ask any of these hypocrites if they ever talked to or met that "thing' then you know the answer. Reality is an far from their bed show. But as you said, let them do what they want to do, but it certainly does not make this a better or "realistic" world. Why is the one religion still fighting the other and want annihilate the other? Ask Trump, Cruz and Rubio. Enough said!!!
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, you must be kidding; I hope that you as an claimed atheist believe in reality and science. So in other words if the whole society runs after Trump or Cruz, because they "believe" and use it to their advantage that is all right with you? If you ask any of these hypocrites if they ever talked to or met that "thing' then you know the answer. Reality is an far from their bed show. But as you said, let them do what they want to do, but it certainly does not make this a better or "realistic" world. Why is the one religion still fighting the other and want annihilate the other? Ask Trump, Cruz and Rubio. Enough said!!!

    What does any of that have to do with Tim Tebow opening a hospital for orphan children in the Philippines?

    And no, I'm not kidding. Citizens in this country have the right to believe in whatever higher power they want to believe in and we have the right to not believe in a higher power, as well. That might frustrate you, but that's what our Constitution mandates.

    Whether their beliefs make this world a better place or not is not for me to decide. I don't judge anyone for what goes on their head. If believing in a God makes them a better person than I say have at it.

    Many religious people are convinced that they actually do talk to the God they believe in. Who am I to judge them for that? Me trying to convince them that they are wrong won't change their minds. I will respectfully inform anyone preaching to me that they are wasting their time, but I will never berate them for it. Just as I will never preach the gospel of atheism because I honestly don't give a shit. I don't believe in God, but I don't care that other people do.

    You will never, and I mean NEVER, convince someone who believes in a higher power that they are wrong. Berating them may make you feel better, but they don't care if you berate them because they believe they are right. Let them just live their lives in the way they want to live them.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Jared, you must be kidding; I hope that you as an claimed atheist believe in reality and science. So in other words if the whole society runs after Trump or Cruz, because they "believe" and use it to their advantage that is all right with you? If you ask any of these hypocrites if they ever talked to or met that "thing' then you know the answer. Reality is an far from their bed show. But as you said, let them do what they want to do, but it certainly does not make this a better or "realistic" world. Why is the one religion still fighting the other and want annihilate the other? Ask Trump, Cruz and Rubio. Enough said!!!

    What does any of that have to do with Tim Tebow opening a hospital for orphan children in the Philippines?

    And no, I'm not kidding. Citizens in this country have the right to believe in whatever higher power they want to believe in and we have the right to not believe in a higher power, as well. That might frustrate you, but that's what our Constitution mandates.

    Whether their beliefs make this world a better place or not is not for me to decide. I don't judge anyone for what goes on their head. If believing in a God makes them a better person than I say have at it.

    Many religious people are convinced that they actually do talk to the God they believe in. Who am I to judge them for that? Me trying to convince them that they are wrong won't change their minds. I will respectfully inform anyone preaching to me that they are wasting their time, but I will never berate them for it. Just as I will never preach the gospel of atheism because I honestly don't give a shit. I don't believe in God, but I don't care that other people do.

    You will never, and I mean NEVER, convince someone who believes in a higher power that they are wrong. Berating them may make you feel better, but they don't care if you berate them because they believe they are right. Let them just live their lives in the way they want to live them.

    Jared, you must be kidding. I don't "berate" anyone; but if I ask the question: Did you ever "see" it?, "talk" or "heared back" from "it"?, where does it reside?, what does it look like?, related to such invisible "ghost" way up in the huge universe, which "scientists" just disclosed, that there are plenty of more galaxies beyond the universe as we know it, which makes us even more insignificant, then they stare at you and run away like hell. That is just asking a question; which is not berating. Anyway my point is that "religion" in one way or another is always used to get "power" over the people; ask ISIS. Trump, Cruz, Rubio all use it to gain for their own purpose. So you feel that is fine with you? Don't forget those are the people which will obstruct anything Obama or Hillary may want for your party; which you favor. Thus you just smile and don't object, like an real "island" American. Tebows hospital, sure just call it an "hospital" with any name; why add the name "Christian" to it? I doubt if "bibles" are used as an instruction manual to stop the bleeding. Using such "religious" names for any institution which carry out "worldly" bodily repair actions, is ridiculous; it may create "irritation" with other religions in the region and such hospital has nothing at all to do with "ghostly things" who did not invent guns either.
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, you must be kidding. I don't "berate" anyone; but if I ask the question: Did you ever "see" it?, "talk" or "heared back" from "it"?, where does it reside?, what does it look like?, related to such invisible "ghost" way up in the huge universe, which "scientists" just disclosed, that there are plenty of more galaxies beyond the universe as we know it, which makes us even more insignificant, then they stare at you and run away like hell. That is just asking a question; which is not berating.

    That's pretty much the literal definition of berating.

    I made my transition from Christianity to Atheism by myself and at my own pace and anyone who wants to do the same will transition at their own pace. Berating them or questioning why they believe in God will just make you more angry, not them. Why do you care what someone else believes in? Seriously...ask yourself why you care so much what other people believe in.

    I know many kind-hearted and genuinely wonderful Christians and Jews and I hope to get to know more Muslims and people who worship any other faiths in my lifetime. They don't give me crap for being an atheist and I don't give them crap for believing in a higher power. You know why? Because we don't care.

    Don't be a dick is the motto I live by. If someone has to worship God to do that then I say have at it. It doesn't hurt me in the least.

    Dutch Wrote: Anyway my point is that "religion" in one way or another is always used to get "power" over the people; ask ISIS. Trump, Cruz, Rubio all use it to gain for their own purpose. So you feel that is fine with you? Don't forget those are the people which will obstruct anything Obama or Hillary may want for your party; which you favor. Thus you just smile and don't object, like an real "island" American.

    I strongly object whenever any politician tries to pass laws that favor one religion over another. And there is a big difference between having respect for people of all religious backgrounds and supporting a death cult hell bent on killing as many infidels as possible.

    Republican politicians using religion as a wedge issue is as American as apple pie. but there's a big difference between a demagogue spewing nonsense out of their mouth and a religious law being passed that favors one religion over another. I have no problem with their nonsense because I believe in free speech and I honestly don't give a shit what other people believe in as long as their beliefs don't affect my life. A politician, athlete, or spelling bee champion thanking God after they won something doesn't rise to the level of affecting my life.

    Dutch Wrote: Tebows hospital, sure just call it an "hospital" with any name; why add the name "Christian" to it? I doubt if "bibles" are used as an instruction manual to stop the bleeding. Using such "religious" names for any institution which carry out "worldly" bodily repair actions, is ridiculous; it may create "irritation" with other religions in the region and such hospital has nothing at all to do with "ghostly things" who did not invent guns either. ?

    It's called the Tebow Cure Hospital; not the Tim Tebow Christian Hospital.