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Justice Antonin Scalia dead of apparent natural causes

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Huffington Post, February 13, 2016: Court Justice Antonin Scalia Dies At 79

    Associate Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia was found dead at a ranch in West Texas on Saturday.

    News just coming out.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Holy crap. If U.S. politics wasn't dramatic enough. This is going to have a major impact on the elections and politics for the next 12 months.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The problem the Republican Senate is about to face is two fold. If they block whoever President Obama nominates then the Democrats will respond accordingly no matter what happens in November. If they don't block President Obama's nominee then the court swings to the left. They are in a lose-lose situation.

    I would never wish for anyone to die, no matter how much I disagree with their positions, but this is a death that can change the path of our country. This is a death that can overturn Citizens United, guarantee a woman's right to choose, and bring about a liberal revolution in this county. To quote Vice President Biden--this is a big fucking deal.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    This is my prediction for his replacement whether it happens in the next 12 months, 4 years or even 5 years. I've heard good things about him first hand from liberal activists in tune with the federal courts.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sri_Srinivasan

    I can see a scenario where GOP blocks a nomination under Obama because their base is crazy and we have to wait for Hillary or Bernie to nominate a justice. But if a Republican wins the white house, no way Democrats allow them to steal a nomination that is rightfully theirs. So it becomes a huge mess. The real worst case scenario is if Republicans are incredibly lucky enough to win the Presidency and the senate and decide to go "nuclear" and approve a nominee with only 51 votes.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    The problem the Republican Senate is about to face is two fold. If they block whoever President Obama nominates then the Democrats will respond accordingly no matter what happens in November. If they don't block President Obama's nominee then the court swings to the left. They are in a lose-lose situation.

    Unless they decide to go nuclear.

    But the thing is thinking on it further, Democrats have the advantage in retaking the senate no matter who wins the presidency and also keeping it in the midterms if there is a Republican president. And even if they did lose the senate, it would be by such a small margin the Republicans could never get 51 senators to agree to go "nuclear".

    And also, since this happened under Obama, Republicans would find it VERY difficult to block a nominee under both Obama and Hillary\Bernie. If Scalia passed during Hillary\Bernie, Republicans could make things very difficult and attempt to run out the clock for a couple years or use it as leverage. But not if they already spent a year blocking anything under Obama.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Whatever happens, the infamous 5-4 decisions in the last decade will now be 4-4 until someone is nominated and approved. Not sure what that means.

    Update: A 4-4 vote means no decision. It's as if the case was never heard.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Kosko Wrote: Holy crap. If U.S. politics wasn't dramatic enough. This is going to have a major impact on the elections and politics for the next 12 months.

    Yes it will be THEE issue. If Republicans block Obama's nomination and prefer to wait until the next president is in office, then it will probably be a big part of "get out the vote" drives for each side. Which side will prevail? Those Christian evangelicals are very passionate and will vote in HUGE numbers if the Supreme Court nomination is the central issue.

    Voting will be in record numbers.

  • Center Left
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    Kosko Wrote: Holy crap. If U.S. politics wasn't dramatic enough. This is going to have a major impact on the elections and politics for the next 12 months.
    McConnell is already asking Obama to wait until after the election to appoint a new Justice. Which is insane. We can't go a full year missing a Justice.
  • Center Left
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    May he rest in peace. I am glad potus can select a good person to be considered. RBG should step down / retire as well.
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    heard mcconnell has said the american people need a voice in choosing the justices for the scotus. while the vote for president may have that impact if a position on the court becomes vacant the reality imo from a constitutional standpoint is that the american people get no voice in this matter. it is strictly for the president to choose an the senate to confirm. mcconnell is grandstanding. and doing an extremely transparent job of it.
  • Center Left
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    lonely bird Wrote: heard mcconnell has said the american people need a voice in choosing the justices for the scotus. while the vote for president may have that impact if a position on the court becomes vacant the reality imo from a constitutional standpoint is that the american people get no voice in this matter. it is strictly for the president to choose an the senate to confirm. mcconnell is grandstanding. and doing an extremely transparent job of it.

    And the American people did get a voice... twice. They voted Obama into office knowing full well that SCOTUS appointments could be on the line.
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    Zach F Wrote:
    lonely bird Wrote: heard mcconnell has said the american people need a voice in choosing the justices for the scotus. while the vote for president may have that impact if a position on the court becomes vacant the reality imo from a constitutional standpoint is that the american people get no voice in this matter. it is strictly for the president to choose an the senate to confirm. mcconnell is grandstanding. and doing an extremely transparent job of it.

    And the American people did get a voice... twice. They voted Obama into office knowing full well that SCOTUS appointments could be on the line.
    I get your point, Zachary. The reality is that a potus may or may not select a scotus nominee that is completely in line with what those who elected him/her support. Granted it is unlikely said nominee would be far from their belief structure. That being said imo the vast majority of voters either do not know or do not dare about the scotus nomination process since it is relatively infrequent and the bottom line is that the potus can select whomever he/she wishes. The voters have no choice in the matter. We can see that in the case of Kennedy he has not been a rigid conservative as an example.
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    I only hope the next one will not be the same; Catholic with 9 children and Republican; that is about the worst you can get.

    Anyway Trump may elect he next one, the way it is going.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    All the more reason to vote.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    All the more reason to vote.

    I leave that up to the super delegates and the "money stream"!! ha ha. It will be a long "hot" summer for sure!!!

    Sorry I don't believe in the elections here; it should be called "horse trade" the one with the biggest mouth and biggest wallet wins.