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Sanders can beat Trump, Hillary can't.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The question Trump can't answer. Who is he going to make American great again for. He is on the record saying he won't raise the minimum wage and he wants to keep American wages low to be competitive. Bernie answers all the questions the right way for the people that are suffering. Trump is Hillary on steroids so he would Trump all over her. His best endorsement is the Republican Party saying he is a liberal. Watch the minority support pile on Bernie when they realize he is their only hope. Black leaders that endorsed Hillary will have to apologize for that and then support Bernie. I have been continually blaming the derivatives/futures deregulation for destroying our economy. Bernie wants to tax that operation back to the people. Bernie is the only hope and answer for the world. He understands that an economy needs money. Success is full employment, not collecting fees.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    In spite of msm and status quo negativity Bernie keeps on building.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I'm a huge Bernie fan, but I really have to question if he has built the ground game necessary to actually win enough votes to secure the nomination. It's one thing for the media to cite generic national polls; it's another thing entirely when you realize 50 different states and multiple territories with vastly different political leanings get to have their say.

    I'll be sold if he wins in one (or multiple) Democratic or swing states that has more than a few million residents. So if he wins Nevada then I might begin to take him more seriously as a national candidate. If he wins Virginia, Ohio, and/or Illinois then I would definitely begin to take him more seriously.

    And I hope I'm not coming across as being down on Bernie. I love Bernie and think he would be a great President, but I'm just not certain he's laid enough groundwork in the various states to have a shot at taking down someone who has been running for President since her husband was in the White House during the 1990's.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The ground work has been there for some time. Bernie is uncovering it and showing the people it is not their fault for the mess we are in. The people are becoming more aware of it everyday. Bernie hit the nail on the head signaling out speculative trading for being the source of the imbalance. Once people realize the reason for no jobs, low jobs and declining standard of living is because Wall Street has taken the money out of the economy so that they can make money off betting fees the people will follow through with support for Bernie. There will be a revolution.
  • Independent
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    Sure I like Bernie; however he's got a lot of things against him. he's got my age; is a "socialist' (which I think is good); depends on donations has no "super pac" ; is not liked by any Republican and not even Bill Clinton.

    I think the Republicans will dig in his past, him visiting all kinds of "communists" leaders etc. and will use that against him.

    So at a given moment he will run into a brick wall set up by the Republicans; even if he gets into the White House, none of his plans will be realized because the GOP will block everything.

    Sure I like to vote for him, but my vote will be wasted doing so. Hillary is not my favorite at all but is bit better than any of the GOP assholes.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Here is my anxiety. If Bernie wins the nomination over Hillary, then he will be ruthlessly blasted by the right wing billionaires. The Koch brothers, Karl Rove, corporations, and others will dig out his socialist past and embellish it, twist it, distort it in clever endless TV ads. They will use the "C word"...communist at every turn. These guys have tons of money and no scruples. They will destroy him. He will continually be on the defensive. And Trump or Cruz wins.

    On the other hand, lets assume he weathers that storm and manages to get elected largely because the millennials came out to vote in huge numbers. But will his message resonate with enough other voters to give him control of Congress...both the House and the Senate? I just don't think so. Remember that President Obama had a short period with nominal control of both the House and Senate (until Ted Kennedy died). But once that control was lost Republicans made the filibuster the rule of the day. Just about everything was filibustered. Obama was continually forced to compromise on his agenda, and every time he compromised he was blasted by the liberals who elected him. Some called him a wuss. Probably now they would use the new word in vogue...pussy. The upshot was that when the 2010 midterm came along, many of the millennials, Asians and other marginalized people simply blamed Obama and stayed home on election day. They gave Congress back to the crazies in 2010. Only the African American community supported him all the time.

    That's my worry. Many young people supporting Obama at the time did not have the patience to even begin to understand how laws are made or not made, how the Senate and House rules can stymie legislation, how compromises are necessary to achieve anything. So disillusioned and upset with the process, they stayed home in 2010. Some liberals even called Obama evil...a liar.

    The same thing could happen to Bernie Sanders, if elected if he cannot deliver on his many promises, especially things like free college tuition. On that note though, I shouldn't single out Bernie. The ruthless Republicans will certainly do the same thing to Hillary. They hate her as much as Obama, but she has been battled tested and more politically savvy perhaps than Sanders. I think she will be tougher.

    My question is, would Bernie Sanders be able to hold his new base together until the 2018 election, and even more importantly until the 2020 election when the census will demand more gerrymandering? That's my feeling of anxiety. Will the millennials and others support him in state elections as well as Congressional elections for four full years? If Bernie doesn't play his cards well in those four years to keep his base of supporters enthusiastic and committed, 2020 could be a repeat of 2010 and 2014.

  • Other Party
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    The fix is in.

    Hillary is their chosen one.

    They won't ALLOW Bernie to get it.

    As lousy as she is, as much as she lies, as much a risk she is to national security...none of that matters.

    It's gonna be Hillary.

    Period.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Hundreds of millions of people here and billions worldwide are suffering, will continue to suffer and suffer more unless and until the system is changed to force money to be spent and not used as security for unregulated activities. Consider all the negatives put to discredit Bernie, then consider how many of them rely only on sensational propaganda for explanation. The speculative part of trading that Bernie wants to tax was illegal a few short years ago. Bernie will get the message out that the 2008 crash was caused by trading and investing a few years prior. I don't doubt the unbelievable amount of negativity the right wing can unleash. The can appeal to the side USA nature that makes Rush and all the right-wing talk stars popular. Bernie surly has that knowledge. He cannot be confused with anything other than fighting for the common man. The worst part is that Bill and Hillary are responsible for some of the worst legislation perpetrated against the common man and they are still viewed as the best hope the common man has. There can be no denying of Bernies intention and he has started an awakening to the violations against the common man. The right has succeeded in legalizing dangerous and historically proven destructive financial patterns. There is no security in the market today and all the conversations I get into about it end with "I am depressed enough I don't want anymore to think about". Everybody accepts the contradiction of the stock market doing well inspite of the staggering number of businesses that have dissapeared. That is a bubble and it is not being fed by the sale of national products. It is being fed by pension funds, wages and borrowing. On lower levels asset management is fortified with promises better times are coming. Bernie is calling all of this out. Announcing his plan to tax speculative trading is a shot fired right at the heart of the problem. His acknowledgement speech after the NH win declared him the enemy of billions of dollars of easy profits. To beat Hillary and any Republican he needs only to educate the country on how the Commodities Futures Modernization Act is destroying the economy and wiping out hope for the lower classes. The position that the majority of people are in is "Too committed to change". Nothing can be worse if Bernie wins. Hillary is commuted to Wall Street. She won't even discuss going back to proven policies that fixed and maintained a country. Trump is a billionaire that wins. He has already commited himself to low wages. The fact he is running high shows support from a limited but committed base. Bernie's undeniably worst adversary is as you stated, the Koch et ilk.

  • Center Left
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    It was freaking New Hampshire. If Bernie had taken Texas or California it would be more news worthy but NH is the little league. Right up there with Rhode Island in terms of importance. BS is a lock to get the Atlantic NE but with NH, and the rest.....is that much of anything ?

    realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/presi...

    It will start to get real now. South Carolina is a step forward. The sentiment I am noticing is the desire to go in a different direction. For the R's it could be any older white male. One without govt. ties is a bonus. For the D's perhaps a known name is a negative. Time will tell.

    Today Trump was speaking poorly about Bernie. Socialist/Communist, green eyes and red teeth... (last 5 words made up)

    p.s. POTUS lost NH to Hillary in 2008. Not necessarily a sign of things to come.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    jamesn Wrote:

    The fix is in.

    Hillary is their chosen one.

    They won't ALLOW Bernie to get it.

    As lousy as she is, as much as she lies, as much a risk she is to national security...none of that matters.

    It's gonna be Hillary.

    Period.

    jamesn -- We haven't heard from you in a while. Yes I agree that Hillary is the likely choice, but she will earn her delegates the old fashioned way. All that other garbage that you espouse is of course just showing your emotions and tribal instincts. I am curious though, who on the Republican side will you be supporting in the contest against Hillary (assuming she is the ultimate nominee)?
  • Independent
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    I saw the debate last night; sorry but I hated Hillary's body language and arrogance; she's a bitch. So I rather don't vote for her, but I don't give Bernie a chance either; his economics are a bit flawed as well he will be buried by the GOP. So I'm in limbo about voting for anyone. Why can the GOP get 14 people to run and the Dem's with only two that early in the race? So I await if Bloomberg steps in, then at least I have a choice.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch -- I too watched the debate. It's funny how two people watching the same debate get two different views. If anyone's body language was on display it was Bernie's continually waving his arms and wagging his finger. And when he obviously disagreed with Hillary on a point and the moderators gave him an opening to reply, he often reverted to his stump speeches.

    Bernie didn't do bad. He was much improved on foreign policy. But I thought Hillary looked more composed, and her answers for the most part were more carefully thought out with maybe one or two exceptions. I didn't find much new in Bernie's answers that I hadn't heard a hundred times before. He delivers his pitch with a passion and that certainly appeals to his base.

    If I were to pick a winner overall it would be Hillary, but I know the Sanders supporters hearing his stump speech once again will have went away feeling good about his performance.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt, I try to be logical and fair. As much as I detest the Clintons, on personal appearance and presentation Hillary is the winner. Neither one looked that good last night but Hillary was the better of the two. Her demeanor won the Benghazi hearing. The debate before this one she was really good. Unfortunately this is a society where an objective issue can be decided by the contradiction of judging between the message and messenger.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Quoting Frank Luntz, Republican Party stratagist:

    “We as Americans and as humans have very selective hearing and very selective memory. We only hear what we want to hear and disregard the rest.”

    “80 percent of our life is emotion, and only 20 percent is intellect. I am much more interested in how you feel than how you think. I can change how you think, but how you feel is something deeper and stronger, and it's something that's inside you. How you think is on the outside, how you feel is on the inside…”

    I think Luntz is largely right, and that's why the Republican Party has been so successful in recruiting people who should otherwise identify with the Democratic Party on economic issues. They are the party of the sound bites that appeal to one's feelings...hidden deeper feelings on social issues. We are the party of nuances....we make everything sound complicated.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    BTW, Hillary saying that Bernie's plan for free education was unrealistic was a direct message to Wall Street that all is safe for them and she disagrees with the tax on speculative trading. Let her explain that the $600,000 fees don't translate into support for Wall Street.