jaredsxtn Wrote:Sorry Jared; this government is dysfunctional because of the system here.
Dutch Wrote: Jared, sorry you live in la la land!!
I'd actually consider myself a realist who understands how our government works.
The argument put forward in the original thread of this page suggested that President Obama was hoodwinked by the Department of Defense who went around his back to ensure GITMO would never be closed. I explained, in detail, how that was not true and then tried to explain that the President can't just walk in and fire any person who was confirmed by the Senate at their whim.
Dutch Wrote: So there is no corruption, obstruction in this Government?.
I never said that. I said "[c]orruption, obstruction, and civics are three entirely different things."
Corruption is when an elected official commits a fraudulent act. Just because a politician does something you disagree with doesn't mean they are guilty of corruption. If that were the case then every politician in this country would be in jail because someone will always disagree with them.
Obstruction, while infuriating, is not illegal. Republicans refusing to allow the President to close GITMO is not corruption, it's obstruction. We can shout, scream, and type our anger at these Republicans, but what they have done is not illegal.
And civics is when someone understands their rights and duties as citizens. It's our duty as citizens to understand how our government functions at the local, state, and federal level. If we don't like how any of those three government's function then we have the ability to change that government in the next election.
A good case in point is how I chose to move to a city and state that conducted its politics in a way I agree with. I have less of a say in how the national picture looks though, but I can guarantee you that if every eligible voter who makes enough time to watch "Dancing With the Stars" actually votes then our national politics would be a lot different.
Dutch Wrote: Talking about efficiency go have a look, you'll be surprised. Nothing there can be done efficiently; that's why nothing gets done, just follow the process to buy a pencil. You're very naïve. Ever heard of Government bureaucracy? Here in FL I see that daily around me on how inefficient governments are. I did government contracting in D.C. and was shocked; no wonder an F35 cost $400 million a piece. Keep on dreaming. Of course the generals have influence via, via. Wow, you should know better.
I never said military generals don't have influence; I said they have no say in something the Supreme Court has ruled on.
We aren't talking about inefficient government and the military-industrial complex; we are talking about President Obama's inability to close GITMO because the Congress won't allow him to. I'm with you on our government being highly inefficient in this rapidly changing world, but you lose me when you bring in a host of different grievances that have nothing to do with closing GITMO.
And I'm not naive; I'm a realist. I have my opinions and I have what I'm willing to take as a compromise. I'm rather uncompromising when it comes to civil and human rights, but I'm more than willing to compromise when it comes to everything else.
Dutch Wrote: Added note; what you describe is the "official route" however that is not the " who do you know" route; and who influences "who" or has "power" via via. Oversight committee's are the same "breed" as the rest of them i.e. as "dumb"
I don't really know how to respond to this.
Is our government perfect? Absolutely not. Do I want to see radical change with how big money makes an influence on our elected officials? Yes. And would I like to see a shift in our national priorities away from the Pentagon and towards social welfare programs designed to make this country a better place for everyone living in it? As Sarah Palin would say--You Betcha!
But I understand that none of these will happen over night. I also understand that people love to bitch and moan, but often are too lazy to show up to the polling station when they could actually have the potential to right the ship. We get the government we vote (or don't vote) for.