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    Connie Wrote: I have been a Democrat all my life but during the last two decades the Democratic Party has moved so far to the right it has fallen over a cliff into that corrupt corporate realm to the point I can't recognize it anymore and that is why so many Dems have become Independents and these Independents are now voting for Bernie Sanders because they know what a true Democrat is.

    I cannot speak for how left or right the Democratic Party was in the 70s, 80s and part of the 90s because I spent much of that time overseas. However, I can relate to 1968, the year I graduated from college. It was a year of considerable political turmoil as the Vietnam war was very much on our minds...or rather the prospect of getting drafted into that war. I flunked my physical (knee injury) so I wasn't drafted, but many of my classmates were drafted and some of them have their name on that black Vietnam Wall in Washington DC. It was also the year in which both Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy were both assassinated.

    The yippies (Youth International Party) were the counter-culture revolutionary movement at that time. Led by Abbie Hoffman, Paul Krassner and others, they caused havoc at the Democratic Convention in Chicago of that year. From Norman Mailer via Wikipedia:

    "Yippie theatrics culminated at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago. YIP planned a six-day Festival of Life – a celebration of the counterculture and a protest against the state of the nation. This was supposed to counter the "Convention of Death." This promised to be "the blending of pot and politics into a political grass leaves movement – a cross-fertilization of the hippie and New Left philosophies." Yippies' sensational statements before the convention were part of the theatrics, including a tongue-in-cheek threat to put LSD in Chicago's water supply. "We will fuck on the beaches! ... We demand the Politics of Ecstasy! ... Abandon the Creeping Meatball! ... And all the time 'Yippie! Chicago – August 25–30.'" First on a list of Yippie demands: "An immediate end to the war in Vietnam."

    In any case, George McGovern was defeated by Hubert Humphrey at the Convention. Humphrey went on to lose to Richard M. Nixon in a landslide.

    The Yippie movement didn't die at the convention. It went on to conduct more protests in the early 1970s, but eventually it just sort of died out, officially closing in 2013.

    Bernie Sanders political revolution is still young. It remains to be seen what impact it will have on the future. That history hasn't been written yet.

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    Schmidt, why do you keep defending Hillary? The things you said about her and history may be right, but you have to look also at her character and training as a lawyer. The point I tried to make several times is that because of the "lawyer" attitude, then you get the "weasel" effect. Lots of talk and words but no content or straightforward answers. I've had my experience with US lawyers and at $350.- per hour they are the cancer of this society. Everything here is done with lawyers and we are proud that this country has the most of them in the world. All what we need is someone like that in the White House, so the "paperwork" will only grow and nothing gets done because no one will be able to understand what's on all those stacks of paper; then you need another lawyer to explain that etc. Hallejuja!!
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    Dutch, Hillary represents trickle down hope. Her policies and positions ensure financial freedom for big banks and big finance. This gives a feeling of stability but the outcome hurts from the upper middle class and down. I have been researching how the student loan program deviated into 1.2 Trillion dollars of debt. But it didn't come from a Sanders ideology. It comes from big business. Hillary offers safety for a very few but false dreams of stability for the stable. At the least Bernie is higher taxes, that is a challenge for fixed incomes.
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    Dutch Wrote: Schmidt, why do you keep defending Hillary? The things you said about her and history may be right, but you have to look also at her character and training as a lawyer. The point I tried to make several times is that because of the "lawyer" attitude, then you get the "weasel" effect. Lots of talk and words but no content or straightforward answers. I've had my experience with US lawyers and at $350.- per hour they are the cancer of this society. Everything here is done with lawyers and we are proud that this country has the most of them in the world. All what we need is someone like that in the White House, so the "paperwork" will only grow and nothing gets done because no one will be able to understand what's on all those stacks of paper; then you need another lawyer to explain that etc. Hallejuja!!

    Dutch, I don't know where you get your information. Hillary Clinton has spelled out in detail what her plans are for every issue of the day. Take a look in her website. This is the stuff she hasd been covering in interviews and speeches. Maybe you missed them.

    Hillary Clinton Issues

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    I should add that the way the Bernie Sanders campaign is going, you do not pass his purity test if you have ever worked in a bank or any Wall Street firm, any fossil fuel company, or military contractor or have taken campaign donations from employees at these companies. In fact if you have ever worked for any big corporation you probably do not pass the purity test because corporations are greedy. If you have a SuperPac you do not pass the purity test.

    So I suppose Dutch, you would add lawyers to the purity test. Right? No lawyers for President either.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    I should add that the way the Bernie Sanders campaign is going, you do not pass his purity test if you have ever worked in a bank or any Wall Street firm, any fossil fuel company, or military contractor or have taken campaign donations from employees at these companies. In fact if you have ever worked for any big corporation you probably do not pass the purity test because corporations are greedy. If you have a SuperPac you do not pass the purity test.

    So I suppose Dutch, you would add lawyers to the purity test. Right? No lawyers for President either.

    Yes throw in bunches of lawyers then everything will drag on forever; that is the culture we want, right? Sorry the culture you describe is here to stay; the lawyers make sure of it; big corporations got plenty of them; I did work with plenty of them as well, so I know the "game" since I acted as para-legal many times related to government deals.. What do you think that no lawyers are involved in the elections? You must be kidding. All the speeches and promises of Hillary mean nothing and are screened by lawyers; promises are not binding and are signed off ; ask Obama how many promises he made at the elections. After the elections then "lawyers" will come into full swing. Hillary is the lawyer type so she loves to work with the same breed.