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Comprehensive look at gun control.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Basic common sense gun control was not a function of mass killings. Appealing to the conscience with mass killings is used to advance gun control. The only way to stop mass killings is to remove all guns. That is impossible so gun control now becomes a wedge issue. There are supporters of gun control that would support confiscation. Since confiscation comes up then those supporters say why not. Opponents of any gun control can see a connection between any type of gun control and confiscation so they say no gun control. Stuck in the middle is everybody else forced to recognize the respective radicals of their position. So what results is a stalemate. A stalemate that costs Denocratic elections. Neither side is willing to compromise with a law that says pass this law and no further laws will be allowed to be made. Because each side has the radicals holding out for their radical position. The only national result is continued polarizing disharmony.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Chet, let's be honest; it is not a question of control; it is a question of pure bureaucracy related to a document which was written the wrong way in a different time without looking at the future. Actually the same as applies for 'bible" freaks.

    Kind of weird that in this country on the one side they like new technology and on the other side they still live in the middle ages. Why do old books and documents not advance the same way? I guess it is the "invention" of lawyers and people who want to bend things their way; to be able to do things which do not fit in modern times. Guns have evolved, but the Constitution not. That is where a lot of the US problems ly. Modern societies adapt their "base laws" to the times, like they do in Europe. Here the "lawyers" and the Supreme Court twist and turn the same document to fit a certain purpose. Never they attempt to re-write it properly; so everything gets so convoluted that 6000 words are needed to explain what something means in modern times.

    But anyway no one has the "guts" here to dump or re-write that 2nd Amendment , unless we want an "redneck" revolution. So as you said, just close your eyes and hope you will not be the next victim. Thus things stay as they are just because of an "old" piece of paper which gets treated the same as the "bible".

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    What long-dead people said is one thing, what use contemporary extremists make of it quite another.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Nicholas Kristof, New York Times, January 7. 2016: Guns, Tears and Republicans

    225,000 Americans have died of gun violence in Obama's seven years in office, a rate of 32,000 per year. That's more than have died in the Syrian civil war.

    A toddler in America shoots someone on average once a week because guns are so easy to pick up and fire.

    If our cellphones can be made to work only with a PIN, it’s crazy that anyone can use a stolen assault rifle.

    The states with the most restrictive gun laws have the lowest gun death rates.

    When Missouri eased restrictions on buying handguns, the result was a 25 percent rise in the firearm homicide rate.

    In contrast, Connecticut tightened regulations on buying handguns, and gun homicides there fell by 40 percent.

    The above are all facts. Let's have a fact based discussion...

    Many of President Obama's proposed gun safety measures were once also proposed and supported by the NRA. That's also a FACT. But once the gun manufacturers "bought" the NRA it is nothing more than a political organization doing the bidding of the gun manufacturers. After every mass killing the gun manufacturers make a killing with gun sales because the NRA pushes the lie that Obama's going to take your guns away. Only stupid people believe that shit. The blood money that the manufacturers make with every mass killing is circulated back to members of Congress to block every possible gun safety measure. That's another FACT.

    And yes, only something like 31-33 percent of Americans own guns anyway. The other 67-69 percent do not want anything to do with guns. And within the 31-33 percent of gun owners, more than half support common sense gun legislation. So something like 15 percent of Americans (the gun nuts) along with the gun manufacturers are dictating to the other 85 percent. Wake up America. Do your homework.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    From Schmidt's post:

    "The states with the most restrictive gun laws have the lowest gun death rates.

    When Missouri eased restrictions on buying handguns, the result was a 25 percent rise in the firearm homicide rate.

    In contrast, Connecticut tightened regulations on buying handguns, and gun homicides there fell by 40 percent.

    The above are all facts. Let's have a fact based discussion..."

    The immediate cause and effect relationship is incredible. It points to new purchasers of guns. Not guns. If hundreds of millions of guns produce a certain pattern in all aspects and then that pattern is radically changed by an intessimally small number of guns in all aspects then the cause and effect needs examination. Consider Connecticut. An established pattern of behavior exists. Then a law that effects only a very small number of guns in a very small way has a 40 percent effective change involving all existing and newly purchased guns. Not only is that incredible by itself, then throughout the nation laws that effect very small numbers of newly acquired guns have similar effects on the resulting use of an overwhelming number of guns. That begs the question, how can results defying logic and reasoning happen. Connecticut itself defies reason. It is stated that tightened regulations not elimination of buying handguns has an effect on all new and existing guns. I am not saying that did not happen. I am saying that if an overwhelming positive result can be achieved by a minor influence then there is something far greater to be learned. Consider cars and motorcycles. If tightened regulations on buying new cars and motorcycles can have an effect on the death rate involving all cars and motorcycles then those regulations need immediate attention.

    Basing my observations on the facts presented then there needs to be immediate consideration of the universal application of similar regulations.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Here's another extract from the article:

    "Exclude guns and the U.S. has a rate for many violent crimes similar to that of other rich countries. But because we have 300 million guns sloshing around, some in the hands of high-risk individuals, we have a gun homicide rate that is about 20 times that of Australia (which cracked down on guns after a mass shooting there)."

    These are all statistics that are worth examining and having an intelligent discussion over. But the gun manufacturers won't even let that discussion happen in Congress. No discussion on gun violence is even allowed in a Republican controlled Congress. It's all about blood money.

    Texas has passed an open carry law that took effect on January 1, 2016. It allows gun owners to openly carry handguns even into the Texas State Assembly. So what if a bunch of Bundy type militia decided to carry their guns into the balconies to view the passing of legislation? Intimidation? Will they test how far they can go?

    I guess we'll soon find out. The law is only eight days old.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt, No resolution for anything. Radicals have too much influence. No central purpose. Improving and guaranteeing human rights is the ultimate solution for everything. But there is no single plan by anybody. No party represents human rights. It is everybody for themselves. There are as many different agendas as there are people. And to compound matters to the worse degree somebody started telling people that what the say matters and is important. So now everyhbody has something important to say. Like Dutch says, sit back and enjoy the show.
  • Independent
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Schmidt, No resolution for anything. Radicals have too much influence. No central purpose. Improving and guaranteeing human rights is the ultimate solution for everything. But there is no single plan by anybody. No party represents human rights. It is everybody for themselves. There are as many different agendas as there are people. And to compound matters to the worse degree somebody started telling people that what the say matters and is important. So now everyhbody has something important to say. Like Dutch says, sit back and enjoy the show.
    Thanks Chet; that is indeed the way I look at it; but I hate the "show".
  • Center Left
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    Isn't if funny how the one's with all of the guns/weapons are the most afraid ? ? ? ? ? They're afraid of losing the guns. Maybe that's why they get so many guns (Fear). Imagine applying for that job.......I'm supposed to take their guns ? and it pays how much ? No thanks, I can get that for making fries.
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    Giving Americans guns is like giving Muslim immigrants booze and a sight of women - the mannerless and undisciplined can't handle it.
  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote: Isn't if funny how the one's with all of the guns/weapons are the most afraid ? ? ? ? ? They're afraid of losing the guns. Maybe that's why they get so many guns (Fear). Imagine applying for that job.......I'm supposed to take their guns ? and it pays how much ? No thanks, I can get that for making fries.
    Tony, don't worry; may be we should import some slaves and give them that unpaid job; we did do that before, why not now!! Being afraid in this country?; I doubt it; they all are "believers" and Jesus won't shoot them or take their guns away. No, lets make some more money and shoot some more lions in Africa, that is fun!!!
  • Center Left
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    I saw an image today of a man wearing furry brown arms with paws and the caption was Your second amendment rights. I copied the link but it was a zillion characters. We can agree or disagree. Trying to change anyone's mind is very unlikely. The facts are sad and depressing. That image made me smile. That's taking lemons and making lemonade.
  • Independent
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    TJ Wrote: I saw an image today of a man wearing furry brown arms with paws and the caption was Your second amendment rights. I copied the link but it was a zillion characters. We can agree or disagree. Trying to change anyone's mind is very unlikely. The facts are sad and depressing. That image made me smile. That's taking lemons and making lemonade.
    Tony, "furry brown arms"? Who's arms where those? I don't think Trumps ( they are pinkish and Irish red hair) neither Mc Cain, that is bit of gray. It must be an alien or the brother of Jesus.
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    Stopping gun violence has not to do with removing guns. In 1907 everyone had a gun and there were only 245 murders in the whole country for the whole year. What they did not have was gun violence on tv and everywhre they looked. The mass media promotes gun violence, the newspapers promote it, every news show sensationalizes it. no wonder it is what it is today. Before Columbine the schools were pretty safe but the after news media reports day after day there were copycats. you can blame the current school safety isses on the press. (Monkey do what monkey see) If you truely want to stop violence then ban those tv shows, movies, and the sensationalism by the "yellow" press.
  • Independent
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    mike Wrote: Stopping gun violence has not to do with removing guns. In 1907 everyone had a gun and there were only 245 murders in the whole country for the whole year. What they did not have was gun violence on tv and everywhre they looked. The mass media promotes gun violence, the newspapers promote it, every news show sensationalizes it. no wonder it is what it is today. Before Columbine the schools were pretty safe but the after news media reports day after day there were copycats. you can blame the current school safety isses on the press. (Monkey do what monkey see) If you truely want to stop violence then ban those tv shows, movies, and the sensationalism by the "yellow" press.
    Sure Mike; indeed for kids who watch a lot of horror movies it becomes a "normal" thing. The percentage of movies in which no one gets killed is minimal. The "Rambo" influence in this country is sick. Sorry in 1907 they did not sell AK47's etc. or multi round clips. Neither they had the present "money' culture attitude or the drug trade as now as well had a lot less veterans and wars.