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How Would the Media React if Minorities Took Over Federal Property?

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    It's not a difficult question.

    Do you think the media would react differently if a group of armed minorities marched through a town and then proceeded to take control of Federal property?

    If you answered "no"' then you are part of the problem in this country. You have convinced yourself that everything is equal and everything is fair, but everything isn't equal and everything isn't fair. A young man who slaughters nine African Americans in a church? Murderer. African Americans who assert their Constitutional right to protest peacefully? Thugs.

    This is what makes me sad about the current state of affairs in America. Peaceful protesters are labeled as terrorists and terrorists are labeled as freedom fighters.

  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    It's not a difficult question.

    Do you think the media would react differently if a group of armed minorities marched through a town and then proceeded to take control of Federal property?

    If you answered "no"' then you are part of the problem in this country. You have convinced yourself that everything is equal and everything is fair, but everything isn't equal and everything isn't fair. A young man who slaughters nine African Americans in a church? Murderer. African Americans who assert their Constitutional right to protest peacefully? Thugs.

    This is what makes me sad about the current state of affairs in America. Peaceful protesters are labeled as terrorists and terrorists are labeled as freedom fighters.

    Jared; so what do you expect; "guns, hunting, rednecks, veterans, evangelical etc" they all will vote for Trump, even in Oregon. Sorry this is not surprising at all. The media loves all of this because it is run by the same kind.
  • Center Left
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    If they were African Americans, white cops would march in and kill them all immediately/violently and they would not be charged with a crime (the cops wouldn't be charged)....... That is the duplicitous mindset in America today. Hell, African Americans would be killed, A. for being armed, B. for being on govt. property, and C. for being black. Those who killed them would be heroes. Apparently the white locals want the federal land given to the citizens for their use....... I wonder if I could apply to receive 25 acres.

    I just saw something on facebook that said What do you call a group of armed black men ? Thugs. A group of armed brown men ? Terrorists. A group of armed white men ? Militia.

  • Democrat
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    I would like to take a few hundred acres from the Bryce Canyon, or Mt Rainier, or in the Grand Canyon. I don't believe for one second these cowboys in southeast Oregon that only try to make a settlers claim on Federal land that protects animals in their natural habitat. These arrogant cowboys only want to have their kills and tear up the land with their Gators and trucks, drink lots of beer and act like ignorant boys with guns. These numbskulls are claiming America's lands from OUR use to observe wildlife sustained. They use this land for their own purpose because THEY have guns and are stupid enough to believe they can hold America hostage. Maybe they are right that the government has encroached on land they use to use, but apparently nobody owned it and PAID taxes on it. It makes perfect sense for the Bureau of Land Management to lay claim on this land and add to it to the Federal Parks system. What doesn't make sense is these dumb cowboys want to kill as they please and tear the land as they wish. They indicated controlled burning to eradicate noxious weeds, yea sure. They did this to destroy evidence of their hunt club killing wildlife. Also, you don't personally control burn on Federal Property, which is a felony. They may have already killed the one lone xxxxttttggggg plant left on the planet. These people are exactly who Trump preaches to listening to anti-government policy.

    Lawlessness and supreme law of the land is not for some radical people laying claim for federal possessed land. There is a process to USE Federal Land, which these people refuse to understand apparently because they have to PAY for USE. Why do these cowboys get a pass that other Americans have to obey to use Federal land? Why do these people in southeast Oregon get to hold hostage America for their selfish, greedy and dumb lifestyle of using as they feel they can?

    So, I definitely want my claim to America's beautiful national parks, build a nice house and shoot whatever I want to shoot wildlife and hang my kills on the walls. Heck, some southeast Oregon cowboys get to do it, why can't I?

    I sure don't want no WACO incident, but these people have conducted a major felony of occupying a federal facility with weapons. I believe they should all go to prison.

  • Center Left
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    If a military sniper started taking them all out and left not one of them alive.......... I wouldn't lose any sleep at all. In general I don't like killing but if we lost 4 dozen idiots....... no problem.
  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:

    I would like to take a few hundred acres from the Bryce Canyon, or Mt Rainier, or in the Grand Canyon. I don't believe for one second these cowboys in southeast Oregon that only try to make a settlers claim on Federal land that protects animals in their natural habitat. These arrogant cowboys only want to have their kills and tear up the land with their Gators and trucks, drink lots of beer and act like ignorant boys with guns. These numbskulls are claiming America's lands from OUR use to observe wildlife sustained. They use this land for their own purpose because THEY have guns and are stupid enough to believe they can hold America hostage. Maybe they are right that the government has encroached on land they use to use, but apparently nobody owned it and PAID taxes on it. It makes perfect sense for the Bureau of Land Management to lay claim on this land and add to it to the Federal Parks system. What doesn't make sense is these dumb cowboys want to kill as they please and tear the land as they wish. They indicated controlled burning to eradicate noxious weeds, yea sure. They did this to destroy evidence of their hunt club killing wildlife. Also, you don't personally control burn on Federal Property, which is a felony. They may have already killed the one lone xxxxttttggggg plant left on the planet. These people are exactly who Trump preaches to listening to anti-government policy.

    Lawlessness and supreme law of the land is not for some radical people laying claim for federal possessed land. There is a process to USE Federal Land, which these people refuse to understand apparently because they have to PAY for USE. Why do these cowboys get a pass that other Americans have to obey to use Federal land? Why do these people in southeast Oregon get to hold hostage America for their selfish, greedy and dumb lifestyle of using as they feel they can?

    So, I definitely want my claim to America's beautiful national parks, build a nice house and shoot whatever I want to shoot wildlife and hang my kills on the walls. Heck, some southeast Oregon cowboys get to do it, why can't I?

    I sure don't want no WACO incident, but these people have conducted a major felony of occupying a federal facility with weapons. I believe they should all go to prison.

    Yes AMC, I agree; however the problem is there are so many of the same types here. They absolutely have no respect for nature and wildlife. Sorry to say Trump is one of them. We should be glad that we still have preserves, which are beautiful original pure nature; not like our urban junk and polluted cities; lets have some fresh air and unspoiled lands.
  • Democrat
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    This mornings read has a Yahoo news from some source with a title indicating the Oregon ranchers in the standoff already have a 93% reduced land rent fee for their cattle raising. This is all about some idiot land poachers that care less about land management and all about their pleasure in going against the government. I also read where many of the ex-military and/or veterans claiming to be the military's best are fact-checked for their military careers. It was found they lie to the public about their stellar careers and boasting of medals earned and conflicts they engaged while in the military. This militia is a bunch of mental-cases and maybe the government should remove their guns because they are deemed unsafe to the public to carry or own a gun. The whole group standoff are in trouble with law and should stand in court facing felony charges. That should take their precious guns and their vote for anybody in public office.

    The government is about to turn off the power to their Federal property. It's midwinter and cold. Stopping all deliveries of food and water and it won't be long they'll be leaving. Although, being possible notorious as they could be, they just might burn down the Federal building than be a whole lot more trouble. If the FBI is monitoring the situation as been told, I'm sure they are ready at a moments notice to go in, guns abasing, if necessary. We don't want another Waco or Ruby Ridge, but its all up to some stupid cowboys terrorizing the country with their ignorance.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote:

    If they were African Americans, white cops would march in and kill them all immediately/violently and they would not be charged with a crime (the cops wouldn't be charged)....... That is the duplicitous mindset in America today. Hell, African Americans would be killed, A. for being armed, B. for being on govt. property, and C. for being black. Those who killed them would be heroes. Apparently the white locals want the federal land given to the citizens for their use....... I wonder if I could apply to receive 25 acres.

    I fully agree. I keep going back to the picture of SWAT members descending on the Mall of America before a peaceful and unarmed protest by 'Black Lives Matter' members and then ask myself why this group of armed white terrorists get different treatment.

  • Democrat
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    Not all of those Police are white and if the picture had shown all the Police, you would see more than the "ONE" black Policeman in your picture on the right the other "ONE" in the middle with his back facing the camera. A picture can be doctored just like anything else to promote the false agenda of others. Looks like you were caught in showing a picture depicting as white policeman holding off a peaceful "Black Lives Matters" rally. Maybe if you cropped the picture it would be a true statement, but we all know that is just poor journalism with an agenda to provoke people.

    So, as the dumb cowboys in Oregon stand-off relating to Black Lives Matter, who do we allow these groups to proceed and disrupt our America? One wants to steal land and the other, well........steal the show. It's not just Black lives, it's ALL lives, period.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: So, as the dumb cowboys in Oregon stand-off relating to Black Lives Matter, who do we allow these groups to proceed and disrupt our America? One wants to steal land and the other, well........steal the show. It's not just Black lives, it's ALL lives, period.

    The last sentence is what you call a Hobson's choice. It's a logical fallacy that distorts what the 'Black Lives Matter' movement is fighting for. Of course all lives matter, but hundreds of studies have shown the inherent bias the majority of Caucasian Americans have against people of color and our broken criminal justice system is Exhibit A of that.

    One group is fighting for their rights to be treated as equal citizens in an equal society; the other group uses terror and fear to take things that aren't theirs. One group is unarmed and peaceful; the other group is heavily armed and threatening. One group is exercising their fundamental 1st Amendment right to protest; the other group is a bunch of criminals who are breaking and entering on Federal property. One group is met with heavily armed SWAT members at every protest; the other group is given free reign to carry out their terrorist activities.

    The response from Federal and Oregon State authorities is a shining example of white privilege, which is what this conversation is actually about. People of color live by a different set of rules than their white counterparts. To suggest otherwise shows that you don't really understand much of anything when it comes to race relations in this country.

  • Democrat
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    I guess, I am a simple plain-folks person that has many black friends and we all ask "what's the problem of these highly educated who-do's and what's all the fuss on black verses white and vice versa?". Sounds like most people have way too much time on their hands.

    I'm going fishing in the store. You all behave yourself and stop meddling in our lives with our friends. We have good police, good neighbors and good churches and good schools, what else do we need other than to bring back some fish and watch some football.

    Please tell us when you all come to your senses. You all come back now!

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: I guess, I am a simple plain-folks person that has many black friends and we all ask "what's the problem of these highly educated who-do's and what's all the fuss on black verses white and vice versa?". Sounds like most people have way too much time on their hands.

    I'm surprised your many black friends haven't given you a history lesson about the systemic racism that has existed in this country since before we even won independence from Great Britain. Maybe some of them were alive during the Jim Crow era...you know, the era between the late 1800's and 1964 that subjugated black people and gave them little to zero rights as American citizens.

    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:We have good police, good neighbors and good churches and good schools,
    We're getting way off topic, but I encourage you to say that to the black child who is harassed by police while they are walking to a dilapidated school in the inner-city.
  • Center Left
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    A change in the stories details. Several arrests and 1 killing.

    nytimes.com/2016/01/27/us/oregon-armed-...

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Bundy has asked his fellow militia men occupying the wildlife refuge to step down and avoid a blood bath, but they are defying him. If they die in a fire fight with authorities, then who is to blame? Fox News or other right wing media, I'm sure will make them martyrs and blame Obama.