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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I am agnostic with no faith in anything except what I can do. But I do align myself with this Genesis passage that says:

    "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.”

    The evolution of wealth and values has distorted that definition of man. Now "man" is the top .001 of people and the rest suffer the consequences of making the earth clean, green and populated with animals and others to serve at the pleasure of the .001.

    The common majority of people do not receive the rights and respect afforded to air, land, sea and animals. This standoff resulting from putting two men in jail because they set fire to grass has the potential of polarizing and dividing support against the government. Now is not the time for imposing justice for the sake of principles. An altruistic attitude works when the demand to sacrifice is fairly shared. The standard of living is constantly deteriorating with the potential for college graduates being unsurmountally indebted for the rest of their lives. Poor and poorer people are being asked to sacrifice for benefits that they can't afford to enjoy or will not live long enough to enjoy. The good of anything other than the immediate family is being challenged more and often. Hillary is offering to the continued sacrifice for others while Trump will be representing the needs of the family. Everyday the media is loaded the idea that the people will see through Trump and come to their senses and vote Democratic. The people are seeing the respect for their personal needs and wants that they haven't seen in a long time. Granted that where I live is predominantly conservative Republican but I have never seen excitement in the air like I have this past weekend for the two hour away Trump rally in Biloxi. The town was excited like it was the Florida / Florida State game. Trump is increasingly representing more Americans. The only other candidate recognizing and representing Americans is Sanders. Hillary represents big money and big business. The other shoe is not going to fall on Trump. Unless Hillary recognizes the people the other shoe will fall on her. So far she is only solidifying her support and not expanding her appeal. Trump is talking how Americans talk, not should talk. If conditions were better you could shame him out of the running. Conditions are bad and Americans want to hear what is good for them today.

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    While I am not agnostic and I believe entirely in God's grace and wisdom, I was struck with thought on Trump. Was it divinely sent, I cannot say, but I was struck with wisdom. Send Trump to the Middle East to negotiate peace and have him meet directly with ISIS and the Taliban. If Trump is as good as he thinks he is, maybe a peaceful deal will happen.

    What's the loss? Deal or no deal. Let's have the "Deal-Maker" have his shot. Just drop ship him to a remotely deserted area where many ISIS and Taliban are located. Trump can talk all he wants and if successful, he will be our next President, if not..............again..........what's the loss?

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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:

    While I am not agnostic and I believe entirely in God's grace and wisdom, I was struck with thought on Trump. Was it divinely sent, I cannot say, but I was struck with wisdom. Send Trump to the Middle East to negotiate peace and have him meet directly with ISIS and the Taliban. If Trump is as good as he thinks he is, maybe a peaceful deal will happen.

    What's the loss? Deal or no deal. Let's have the "Deal-Maker" have his shot. Just drop ship him to a remotely deserted area where many ISIS and Taliban are located. Trump can talk all he wants and if successful, he will be our next President, if not..............again..........what's the loss?

    Again AMC you surprise me; please explain "god's grace and wisdom" Question what University did this "human created" ghost go to? What is "its" wisdom; ever tested that or checked what "wisdom" related to human beings this non-speaking, never met entity ever displayed; did this thing write an heavenly 'thesis" ? Where can I find this written in "its" own outer space language? What "grace"? ; giving people cancer, disasters, death, wars, hundreds of different religions??
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    I pray for you sometimes Dutch, but I am understanding that your a lost cause. I refuse to answer any of your questions based on my inability to answer God's abilities and since you have no understanding on FAITH, it is useless to pander to your foolishness.

    I responded earlier to input a comedy to Trump, so to answer your unconscious need to know God would be off topic. I also understand your failing from previous responses the last couple years, so it is the same old tactic by you force denial of God. You should know by now, I am immune to your tactics. I will advise you to "Go in Good Faith and Practice the Word of God in Everything you do."

    Now this may be on topic as you will understand this is a Warped Value. I see more importance to the Faith in God.

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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:

    I pray for you sometimes Dutch, but I am understanding that your a lost cause. I refuse to answer any of your questions based on my inability to answer God's abilities and since you have no understanding on FAITH, it is useless to pander to your foolishness.

    I responded earlier to input a comedy to Trump, so to answer your unconscious need to know God would be off topic. I also understand your failing from previous responses the last couple years, so it is the same old tactic by you force denial of God. You should know by now, I am immune to your tactics. I will advise you to "Go in Good Faith and Practice the Word of God in Everything you do."

    Now this may be on topic as you will understand this is a Warped Value. I see more importance to the Faith in God.

    Sure; I never expect you to accept reality, but never mind you are free to "believe" in pure human created nonsense. You have my "blessing" . Thus if Trump is an "believer" you will thus vote for him or another evangelical.
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    Hi guys: Hey, it says on my money "IN GOD WE TRUST" --- so maybe George Washington & others did believe in that spirit in the sky. In fact, they DID believe in God. So why are we arguing about this after 200+ years? We are all free to believe what we want to believe. And nobody is having to convince the others to believe whatever the others believe. So we should just accept the fact that 70% or more people in America are Christians, like most of the founders were. And the rest are free to believe whatever they want -- so why the need to ridicule people --- either way? (I do know that the founders did not even know about the Moslem religion, & they were not in our country for 100 yrs or so. While the Moslems claim that they are a "peaceful" religion, their actions in recent decades appear very puzzling. I don't understand why their loving god, would want such violence & destruction? So until we all can learn to live in peace, then maybe its best to stay apart..
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    eternal flame Wrote: Hi guys: Hey, it says on my money "IN GOD WE TRUST" --- so maybe George Washington & others did believe in that spirit in the sky. In fact, they DID believe in God. So why are we arguing about this after 200+ years? We are all free to believe what we want to believe. And nobody is having to convince the others to believe whatever the others believe. So we should just accept the fact that 70% or more people in America are Christians, like most of the founders were. And the rest are free to believe whatever they want -- so why the need to ridicule people --- either way? (I do know that the founders did not even know about the Moslem religion, & they were not in our country for 100 yrs or so. While the Moslems claim that they are a "peaceful" religion, their actions in recent decades appear very puzzling. I don't understand why their loving god, would want such violence & destruction? So until we all can learn to live in peace, then maybe its best to stay apart..
    How many American 'Christians' have every read the New Testament? They have murdered far, far more Muslims than the other way around, haven't they?
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    Eternal, are you really that naïve? IN GOD WE TRUST??? Just a question: how can you "trust" something which you never met or talked to or have ever seen or have facts that it exists as "humans" on a tiny planet portray it. So you also "trust" that this invisible "thing" stops you from getting cancer, ebola or become a trigger happy druggy. Another slogan" GOD BLESSES AMERICA; sure this never met "ghost" blesses all our wars, all our guns, all our killing, all our military, all our politicians, you name it. Thus in other words you rather trust a "non existing thing" than your own eyes or your brain. All these "human" created slogans are meaningless just about the same as "THAT KEEPS US SAFE" You should know better. So next time just close your eyes and just cross a six lane highway; don't worry a whatever human invented "god" thing will protect you, since you "trust" it.
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    Hello Dutch: Here we go again. (ha) I said that it says IN GOD WE TRUST on ALL our currency, and this began a long time ago, supposedly by our Founders. And since 70% or more of our U.S. population are Christians, they use this currency every day, and basically believe in the Christian faith, that there is a God who rules this planet and cares for its people. And there are a few million that do not care if there is a God or not. And that is their choice. I feel sorry for them, since faith is a very powerful thing. If you believe you will be rewarded (by going to heaven, if you are good) or that you will be punished (by going to Hell if you are bad) -- then your behavior will be greatly improved, since nobody prefers Hell instead of Heaven.

    In that case, most of the time people will be trying to do "the right thing" and help their fellow man, and not kill or steal, or kidnap children, or start unnecessary wars, or pollute the planet. In a Christian nation, most people will try to be kind to strangers, and feed the poor, and avoid stupid wars for Oil. But in a world devoid of religious belief, Anything Goes, & you find selfish greedy people, who do NOT CARE about anybody else, or about their health, or their ability to get an education, or about having polluted water, or polluted air, & the destruction of the environment. THOSE with no religious belief have no conscience, & many can freely commit all kinds of atrocious crimes, & never feel remorse.

    NOTE: the odd similarity between these 2 words: God and Good. Devil and Evil. (Is it just a coincidence?) -- Maybe all along, that is what we're choosing between: "God vs Devil". -- OR -- "Good vs Evil". (It's basically the same thing).

    I see Intelligent Design behind the Universe. It can't all be "random accident" how the solar system and swirling orbs in the heavens look like the "microscopic" orbits of the Atom. The nucleus is the Sun. And the atomic particles are the planets.

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    It is simply silly to suggest that non-believers have no moral values. The importance of belief is that it should be discussed. It seems to me that American 'Christians' have done more evil that anyone since Hitler, at least.
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    Hello "iolo" --- I hope I spelled your name right. Happy New Year!! You asked how many American Christians had ever read the New Testament, and you wondered why "we" had murdered far more Moslems, than the other way around. (?)

    Like most American Christians, I have spent many years studying the Old and New Testament --- but even so, I do not think I have read every word of every Book of the Bible. I might have missed something. For instance, I do not remember any of those books of the Bible, mentioning the Muslim religion. But it is possible I missed something.

    America was not discovered until 1492, & the United States did not exist as a separate nation until 1776, so it would have been impossible for any book of the Bible (or Koran) to have mentioned the USA at all, much less its alleged acts of War.

    The only major wars conducted by the USA, were in response to somebody attacking us, like Japan attacking Pearl Harbor in 1941. And the horrible murders by Nazi Germany against the Jews causing World War II. The only wars that could bring any disgrace against America, would be the bombing of IRAQ in 2003. And that was caused solely by George W. Bush (Jr) & his GOP associates, who deliberately made up the story of Weapons of Mass Destruction, & that Iraq had bombed the World Trade Center in New York. (False). Most decent Americans never believed that big LIE (by Bush #43) & most of us opposed the whole bombing campaign, & the fact that Bush lied to the United Nations. But we citizens cannot give a lie detector test to our leaders, especially one who "rigged" his own election. Hence, we have to endure the consequences.

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    Eeternal flame Wrote:

    Hello Dutch: Here we go again. (ha) I said that it says IN GOD WE TRUST on ALL our currency, and this began a long time ago, supposedly by our Founders. And since 70% or more of our U.S. population are Christians, they use this currency every day, and basically believe in the Christian faith, that there is a God who rules this planet and cares for its people. And there are a few million that do not care if there is a God or not. And that is their choice. I feel sorry for them, since faith is a very powerful thing. If you believe you will be rewarded (by going to heaven, if you are good) or that you will be punished (by going to Hell if you are bad) -- then your behavior will be greatly improved, since nobody prefers Hell instead of Heaven.

    In that case, most of the time people will be trying to do "the right thing" and help their fellow man, and not kill or steal, or kidnap children, or start unnecessary wars, or pollute the planet. In a Christian nation, most people will try to be kind to strangers, and feed the poor, and avoid stupid wars for Oil. But in a world devoid of religious belief, Anything Goes, & you find selfish greedy people, who do NOT CARE about anybody else, or about their health, or their ability to get an education, or about having polluted water, or polluted air, & the destruction of the environment. THOSE with no religious belief have no conscience, & many can freely commit all kinds of atrocious crimes, & never feel remorse.

    NOTE: the odd similarity between these 2 words: God and Good. Devil and Evil. (Is it just a coincidence?) -- Maybe all along, that is what we're choosing between: "God vs Devil". -- OR -- "Good vs Evil". (It's basically the same thing).

    I see Intelligent Design behind the Universe. It can't all be "random accident" how the solar system and swirling orbs in the heavens look like the "microscopic" orbits of the Atom. The nucleus is the Sun. And the atomic particles are the planets.

    Eternal: I guess you refuse to accept FACTS. Nothing from outside this planet is controlling us; come with proof.

    How in "god's"? name (which you use) does anything outside this planet know the definition of "good" or "bad", due to the fact that these "human created" words are not known outside this planet. "Devils" nor "god's speak your language (if they would exist) nor ever wrote books or made laws. Both entities are "human" inventions; the "sun" used to be a "god" as well as Wodan and Zeus. So we created (via human writings) a more convenient one which suits us better right now. Sorry all living things die; all species can become extinct, including humans; ask the dinosaurs. Dead things don't go anywhere and stay on this planet. The universe does not care, neither human invented "god's. Those are the facts; playing naïve that is also a "human" quality.

    Don't get me going about our (holy) Christian Nation: That's why we kill woman and children in foreign countries which are not Christian; bomb the hell out of them, invade countries who never did us harm, bribe them out of their resources, bribe their leaders, rape their woman, steal their gold, murdered the Inca's, Maya's and the Templars, as well Joan of Arc and had slaves built their Cathedrals and keep on lying and cheating; but the church forgives you, ask the Pope and of course something up there "approves" all of this and is "good" . ONE "human" word" says it all "HYPOCRITES" who refuse to accept FACTS. People themselves are responsible for all their own actions and can't blame fabricated devils or fake "god's"

    FACTS DON"T LIE: RELIGION DOES

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    I guess you will take IN GOD WE TRUST off of all our currency then. What should we write on our coins instead?

    Hey, I've Got It. --- Engrave "Good" on one side. Then "Evil" on the other side. And on the rim it says: "Flip the Coin".

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    eternal flame Wrote:

    I guess you will take IN GOD WE TRUST off of all our currency then. What should we write on our coins instead?

    Hey, I've Got It. --- Engrave "Good" on one side. Then "Evil" on the other side. And on the rim it says: "Flip the Coin".

    Eternal; forget stupidity; lets put only the value on a coin and make sure it keeps its value. For all the fake Christians, I would allow a picture of Jesus on it, if they can give the coin makers a "real factual picture of the guy in digital form" certified by"Allah" including an outer space lawyer certified signature from Jupiter on gold plated Marsian paper, including birth certificate in ten fold on 2000 year old goat skin (not like the one of Ted Cruz)
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Well here is proof of God or a god or universal goodness. Bernie is doing better every day, good !!!