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Who represents the lower classes?

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Pensacola, FL
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    I grew up with FDR and the Democratic Party being the savior and representation of the working class. The Establishment part of the Democratic Party has developed into an elitist organization more concerned with telling the working class how to live instead of helping them to live. There is nothing more radically conservative than denying poverty conditions and expecting poor people to adjust and accept declining health, education, diet, work, standard of living, while expecting them to accept the straining of the family unit and increasing neighborhood violence. The same Obama that opposed alleviating the 18 cent Federal Gas Tax in 2008 when driving to work was taking most of the poor's money because he said it would send the wrong environmental message is now the Obama that is trying to associate low gasoline prices as a positive result of his policies. If he was true to his environmental stand he would be calling for an additional 3 dollar Federal gasoline tax and he would have support. He and Hillary view the poor as people with adequate incomes. There is no significant plank aimed as positive help for the low and majority of people class. You can identify Hillary with gun control, the most visible vocal offering of her campaign. She has nothing to offer the country. She can be easily destroyed by her sexist initiative. How can she answer an accusation that she is an enabler of a violator of women. She stood by Bill while he lied about Monica when as a leader of women she should have run him out of office. How can she answer an accusation of enabling an enemy of the poor when she stood by Bill when he started to dismantle the welfare program. How can she answer an accusation of enabler of an enemy of the working class while Bill dismantled some of the best legislation of FDR leading to the disaster of 2008. How can the Democratic Party answer any accusation of abandoning the working family by shunning Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders is the candidate to attempt to revive the party of the working family yet the majority of Democratic Party Members aquiesed to Hillary with an elitist dissmissal of Sandes. Why hasn't Hillary promised a return to safety and dignity through jobs and a government for the people. Trump says he will leave the minimum wage where it is to make USA workers competitive with cheap foreign labor. Hillary could have attacked the real loopholes that could be blamed for mass killings. She could attack the loopholes that let USA money be controlled by the stock market to generate incomes instead of create jobs. Trillions of dollars are tied up as security so massive amounts of money can be assessed fees to create false incomes. She stood by Bill while he aided in deregulating the stock market. She stood by Bill while he let the definition of futures encompass indefensible entities affording them immunity to regulation. If Hillary is the Democratic candidate she exposes the Demicratic Party to a thoughful decision when it should be an automatic straight ticket Democratic vote. "Stand by your man" has a good chance of electing Trump. Republican or Republican Lite (lonely bird) That is the result of the Demicratic Party Establishment. Unless they quash Bernie's call for an independent investigation of the DNC security breach there might still be a glimmer of FDR's Party.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: I grew up with FDR and the Democratic Party being the savior and representation of the working class.

    FDR was one of the best Presidents this country has ever had, but it was his fifth cousin who was the true savior of the working class. He's the one who ushered in the square deal, busted the monopolies, and ruthlessly enforced the Sherman Anti-Trust Act.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: The Establishment part of the Democratic Party has developed into an elitist organization more concerned with telling the working class how to live instead of helping them to live. There is nothing more radically conservative than denying poverty conditions and expecting poor people to adjust and accept declining health, education, diet, work, standard of living, while expecting them to accept the straining of the family unit and increasing neighborhood violence.

    I have to disagree. What is elitist about pushing for a livable wage and paid time off for full time employees? What is elitist about advocating for civil and human rights for all individuals in this country regardless of sex or color of your skin? And what is elitist about asking multi-millionaires and billionaires to pay more of their fair share?

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: The same Obama that opposed alleviating the 18 cent Federal Gas Tax in 2008 when driving to work was taking most of the poor's money because he said it would send the wrong environmental message is now the Obama that is trying to associate low gasoline prices as a positive result of his policies. If he was true to his environmental stand he would be calling for an additional 3 dollar Federal gasoline tax and he would have support.

    This argument is a red herring.

    Then Senator Obama was smart to oppose alleviating the Federal Gas Tax decrease because that is one of the only things that ensures our Federal highway system functions. If we lower or get rid of that tax then say bye-bye to being able to drive anywhere safely.

    President Obama associating low gasoline prices as a positive result of his policies is an entirely different thing. His policies (for better or worse) dramatically increased domestic production of oil and reduced our dependence on oil imported from Latin America, Canada, the Middle-East, and Africa. And, as you know, three of those four areas aren't that politically stable currently. That is why gasoline prices are lower; not because the then Senator opposed alleviating the Federal Gas Tax.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: He and Hillary view the poor as people with adequate incomes. There is no significant plank aimed as positive help for the low and majority of people class.

    I'm sorry, but this is absolute bullshit and completely ignores what this Administration has done to help dig us out of the biggest clusterfuck a President has ever inherited since the Great Depression.

    For starters--the President is one third of our federal system and they don't have nearly as much power as people think. Presidents get to sign or veto laws, command our armed services, conduct foreign policy (with the advice and consent of the Senate), speak to Congress when he wishes, and nominate federal judges. That's it. If you're unhappy with the way that works then push for a new Constitutional convention.

    What's crazy is that even with those constrictions, this Administration has done a tremendous amount of good. Do you recall the abyss this country was looking into back in 2008-2009? You can thank the Obama Administration for pulling us back from that.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote:You can identify Hillary with gun control, the most visible vocal offering of her campaign. She has nothing to offer the country. She can be easily destroyed by her sexist initiative. How can she answer an accusation that she is an enabler of a violator of women. She stood by Bill while he lied about Monica when as a leader of women she should have run him out of office. How can she answer an accusation of enabling an enemy of the poor when she stood by Bill when he started to dismantle the welfare program. How can she answer an accusation of enabler of an enemy of the working class while Bill dismantled some of the best legislation of FDR leading to the disaster of 2008. How can the Democratic Party answer any accusation of abandoning the working family by shunning Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders is the candidate to attempt to revive the party of the working family yet the majority of Democratic Party Members aquiesed to Hillary with an elitist dissmissal of Sandes. Why hasn't Hillary promised a return to safety and dignity through jobs and a government for the people. Trump says he will leave the minimum wage where it is to make USA workers competitive with cheap foreign labor. Hillary could have attacked the real loopholes that could be blamed for mass killings. She could attack the loopholes that let USA money be controlled by the stock market to generate incomes instead of create jobs. Trillions of dollars are tied up as security so massive amounts of money can be assessed fees to create false incomes. She stood by Bill while he aided in deregulating the stock market. She stood by Bill while he let the definition of futures encompass indefensible entities affording them immunity to regulation. If Hillary is the Democratic candidate she exposes the Demicratic Party to a thoughful decision when it should be an automatic straight ticket Democratic vote. "Stand by your man" has a good chance of electing Trump. Republican or Republican Lite (lonely bird) That is the result of the Demicratic Party Establishment. Unless they quash Bernie's call for an independent investigation of the DNC security breach there might still be a glimmer of FDR's Party.

    There's so much to respond to here, but I'm getting tired. I'll add more later.

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    Jared, I don't feel like to write "large" pieces or answer large pieces, but one thing I don't agree on related to your reply. Sure the Democratic party has become an elitist party, regardless of what you promote. As long as the US election system runs on "money" and "Washington insiders" run the show then you have to belong to the "clan", otherwise you don't count. Just look at on how that Wasserman woman moved to the top; she's just an "book" educated one and finds herself "elite" (standing above the crowd) the same for Hillary, she sits on her high horse as an "real" insider who knows who pulls the strings in Washington. Down to earth "thinking" people have no chance ever to get into the White House; you have to belong to the "clan" or worked your way into it.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    "Then Senator Obama was smart to oppose alleviating the Federal Gas Tax decrease because that is one of the only things that ensures our Federal highway system functions. If we lower or get rid of that tax then say bye-bye to being able to drive anywhere safely." jaredsxtn, The 18 cent issue was in the summer of 2008. Gas was dancing around $5/gallon and the candidates were pressing for alleviating the 18 cent tax . Obama said that alleviating the 18 cent tax would send the wrong message. He didn't want the environment to take a back seat to the needs of the poor. It was also just for the summer. Hillary:

    Clinton urges gas tax relief, Obama rejects it - politics - Decision '08 ...

    NBC News › politics-decision_08 › clinto...

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    jaredsxtn, What you mentioned contradicting my elitist charge are way down on the priority list, barely mentioned. Gun control and the environment lead the list of prioritized Democratic Planks.