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Trouble in the DNC

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  • Democrat
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    As Hillary is enjoying a 31 point lead in the polls over Bernie and yes, I know it's just the polling several months before the election, there's scandal occurring in the DNC. Apparently, recent news has brought to light that the Bernie Camp has infiltrated the DNC voting records capturing Clinton voting data, which is restricted from competing candidates. Poor Bernie, who may not be personally involved, but his campaign staff has been branded culprits in hacking the DNC data base. Oh my! Do we have a "BERNIE-GATE" here? As media pundits are identifying where's Bernie, I also have to ask where's Hillary? Is this time period where campaign staffs lie, cheat and steal there way through the elections. Is Bernie performing so bad that his campaign staff has to resort to corruption? I haven't seen a Bernie response, yet, but media is announcing that the Bernie Camp has fired one of the four staff members involved. I understand it was the boss of the other three staff members who ordered the hacking of DNC data access. I also understand Bernie's Camp blames the poor contractor managing the DNC data bank of incompetence allowing there people to gain access. Well, by golly, where's the personal responsibility here in a characterization by Bernie of being the pure, trusting, ethical. and moral candidate with high integrity? Batter up, where's Bernie now at the plate? Hillary's about to pitch a no hitter.

    You go girl................Hillary for our next President of the United States.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I'm just glad that Bernie is pushing back against this blatant attempt by the DNC to anoint Secretary Clinton by threatening a Federal lawsuit against the DNC.

    They have accused the DNC of stealing Senator Sanders voter data in an attempt to sabotage his campaign and they have a very good argument to make that the DNC and Debbie Wasserman Schultz are orchestrating the whole thing to boost Secretary Clinton's standing.

    I hope that Bernie files the lawsuit and the DNC backs down. They don't get to pick winners and losers; the voters do.

  • Liberal
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    I'm not sure who is worse or more incompetent Debbie the DB or Rancid Prebus!

    Overtime I see Debbie's ugly, nasty puss I know for sure I want to vote for Bernie!Sad

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    pr Wrote:

    I'm not sure who is worse or more incompetent Debbie the DB or Rancid Prebus!

    At least Priebus isn't trying to game the nomination process to anoint his preferred candidate.

    Does Debbie honestly believe that this is the way to get Bernie supporters to coalesce around Secretary Clinton? How is alienating 40 percent of the Democratic base a good way to get us to all blindly line up behind Clinton before the first primary vote is even cast? Seriously...I don't know what the hell she is thinking.

  • Democrat
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    You all are purposing negligent in ignoring that the Bernie Camp has confessed publically and has taken action against their campaign staff for hacking the DNC voter data. You are attempting to deny that Bernie's campaign did nothing wrong. It will not work there is already sufficient evidence of the criminal act. Now criminal is strong and don't know what the DOJ will do if they get involved, but it is probably resolved with the firing of the campaign staffer. Now the DNC is suspending the Bernie Camp from access to the DNC voter data, the Bernie campaign wants to sue to get their access back. Doesn't that seem inappropriate when the Bernie campaign admits wrong doing?

    I bet if the shoe was on the other foot and it was Hillary's campaign staff doing similar, Bernie camp wouldn't be so forgiving and punish Hillary's campaign severely. However, it is not Bernie and Hillary, it is the DNC that manages the democratic candidates who makes the decisions on punishing the offender. Bernie's campaign receives a suspension to locate all the data that was breached and than maybe his campaign will get back access. At the moment an independent investigation is taking place chosen by the DNC to conduct investigating all ramifications of the data breach. So, bottom line question......."What the hell was Bernie's campaign staff trying to do?". This is going to be Bernie-Gate, no doubt. Bernie's campaign is trying to sue in order to remove any thought of corruption by his campaign. This is low-down corrupt politics at minimum exposure. As I have always said, "Poor Bernie".

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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:

    You all are purposing negligent in ignoring that the Bernie Camp has confessed publically and has taken action against their campaign staff for hacking the DNC voter data. You are attempting to deny that Bernie's campaign did nothing wrong. It will not work there is already sufficient evidence of the criminal act. Now criminal is strong and don't know what the DOJ will do if they get involved, but it is probably resolved with the firing of the campaign staffer. Now the DNC is suspending the Bernie Camp from access to the DNC voter data, the Bernie campaign wants to sue to get their access back. Doesn't that seem inappropriate when the Bernie campaign admits wrong doing?

    I bet if the shoe was on the other foot and it was Hillary's campaign staff doing similar, Bernie camp wouldn't be so forgiving and punish Hillary's campaign severely. However, it is not Bernie and Hillary, it is the DNC that manages the democratic candidates who makes the decisions on punishing the offender. Bernie's campaign receives a suspension to locate all the data that was breached and than maybe his campaign will get back access. At the moment an independent investigation is taking place chosen by the DNC to conduct investigating all ramifications of the data breach. So, bottom line question......."What the hell was Bernie's campaign staff trying to do?". This is going to be Bernie-Gate, no doubt. Bernie's campaign is trying to sue in order to remove any thought of corruption by his campaign. This is low-down corrupt politics at minimum exposure. As I have always said, "Poor Bernie".

    I honestly have no idea how to decipher what you are saying. Seriously...this post is absolute nonsense.

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    I agree. Bernie has filed his lawsuit. Debbie Wasserman Shultz needs to be removed from her job as chair of the party. I personally believe that she set up Bernies' people. No, they should not have done it, but schultz has made it clear who she is supporting. She should at all times remain unbiased. She is not! I believe that Hillary, as a presidential candidate, should step up and give a calm voice to this. I was thinking of voting for her, but since her attack dog Schultz has done this, I will have to think twice.
  • Democrat
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    Maybe Bernie is possibly devious as an old fox knowing how to create this criminal act of hacking, so that he may accuse the Clinton campaign. I agree with Shultz to let Bernie sue, she anticipated he would. Let the chips fall in the court of public hearing. As to Bernie's camp who DID conduct themselves inappropriately and they DID acknowledge the act, and they DID fire the culprit in campaign staff who ordered it. So, what is wrong with accepting the blame of what Bernie's campaign staff DID. We've got too many politicians who don't accept responsibility, just look at all the Republicans.

    Bernie's socialist liberal democrat fan base can't accept the TRUTH. Bernie got caught with his hands in the political cookie jar. Too bad, too sad............get over it! Let's see the justice in all this, I'm all for it. Let's make it clear that if the DOJ gets involved there's going to be a high price to pay than just firing the campaign staffer. What was done was a Federal Felony of breaching security. Remember Nixon and his Water-Gate.............we now have Bernie and his Bernie-Gate.

  • Liberal
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    AMC don't you have some flag to wave or some shinny shoes to spit polish so your old uniform makes you look good? You obviously have no understanding about anything other than God, guns and American Exceptualism!

    Do you even read the garbage you write here????

  • Democrat
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    Although PR has some ill-fated agenda to demean and ridicule people purposely without any credibility to provide on the thread subject, it is best to ignore his less than honorable statements.

    As to the subject at hand, it appears the DNC has come to an agreement with the Bernie Campaign with having clear access to any of the data has been stolen. The Washington Post has a comment analogy that I found interesting comparing Bernie's campaign staffers like, "kids in candy store", stealing all the Clinton data they could. Little did they realize that the contract data bank has provisions to track and identify anybody looking or removing data. So, the criminals are easily caught. I say criminals, because the data in question amounts to MILLION'S OF DOLLARS in the cost of logging public voter information. So, examine a comparison of entering a store, picking up all the items you intend to pay or paid for, and on the way out of the store pick up items that you did not pay or intend to pay for. That is theft in any terms and if caught laws identify legal pursuit and punishment by peers in a court of justice. Bernie-Gate is the same as any shop-lifter in America, but appears there is a value being noted of millions of dollars worth of stolen voter data.

    The DNC appears willing to forgo the issue, but requires the Bernie Campaign to turn over all information on data it was negligent in retrieving and whatever data they received was destroyed. In satisfactory response shown by the Bernie Campaign, the DNC will remove the suspension so that Bernie may resume his campaign with access to HIS data. There's no talk being publically announced of DOJ getting involved for fraud and theft of voter information. The DOJ may do this all by themselves if they suspect it is worthwhile to go after Bernie's Campaign. A crime was committed, which I'm sure the DOJ is discussing the matter. All this happening and Bernie's people slandering Clinton after his lack of responsibility in owning up to his campaign causing the theft. This is a show of taking no responsibility and attacking the person who he stole from. Where's the people come from who show a lack of decency, ethics and morals? I'm waiting for the next debate and hope Bernie apologizes, it would be in his best interest to remain in the running as a candidate and a show of better character.

  • Democrat
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    Apparently, I forecasted correctly that the Department of Justice is discussing the issue of fraud.

    Accessing the Clinton voter information without authorization runs afoul to Federal Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. This was reported to the media commenting from the Justice Department's Computer Crimes Section.

    Bernie suing his party is like robbing a house and suing the owner for finding his wrong doing. So much for a political candidate that works against corporate crime. I can see why Bernie was mad when he found out what happened. Hillary added she believes Bernie was not knowledgeable of what happened until it was reported to him. Poor Bernie, too sad!

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Bernie suing his party is like robbing a house and suing the owner for finding his wrong doing.

    Using the same exact analogy that Debbie Wasserman Schultz said yesterday is kind of silly. If you're going to say something someone else said then you should at least give them credit for it.

    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: So much for a political candidate that works against corporate crime. I can see why Bernie was mad when he found out what happened. Hillary added she believes Bernie was not knowledgeable of what happened until it was reported to him. Poor Bernie, too sad!

    The truth of matter is that the DNC knew they would lose in court. That's why they caved. If they thought they had a strong enough case to win in court then they wouldn't have caved minutes after the Sanders campaign filed a Federal lawsuit.

  • Democrat
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    They wouldn't loose in court because Bernie's Campaign committed a Federal Felony of Computer Crime. The DNC backed off for knowing that the Department of Justice is investigating and that the DNC has no authority to pursue this any further. Both campaign groups have come to an agreement, but the fact of a crime has been committed is up to the legal folks, including the FBI. I can assume that this may go away, but who knows what damage has been done to both camps. Let the debates begin and if Bernie brings it up, you can bet Hillary is ready for the rebuttal. Bernie would be smart to not go there, as I think Hillary is twice as smart not to bring it up.
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    If Hillary wins the nomination, which she most likely will, she will likely win the wh. It will not be the cakewalk some expect particularly if either trump implodes and the republicans field a reasonable candidate (reasonable from their perspective) like possibly Rubio or trump rides his lowest common denominator bs to the nomination. Of course if the Donald's ego makes him run as third party then Hillary would have an easier time. But all of that is irrelevant because we will end up with another republican-lite in the wh in the person of Hillary. She can spout all the progressive rhetoric she wants, I don't believe her for one minute. She is still underneath the wall-street, Goldwater girl she was. Will I vote for her? Yes, because the pure republican alternative is dangerous. She is simply the lesser of two evils.
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: They wouldn't loose in court because Bernie's Campaign committed a Federal Felony of Computer Crime. The DNC backed off for knowing that the Department of Justice is investigating and that the DNC has no authority to pursue this any further.

    This just isn't true. You are citing one former DOJ official, Jason Weinstein, who said the individual who accessed the information may have broken the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act.

    I will write this in bold, capitalized letters for you to understand as easily as possible: THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE HAS NOT OPENED AN INVESTIGATION INTO SENATOR SANDERS CAMPAIGN.

    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Both campaign groups have come to an agreement, but the fact of a crime has been committed is up to the legal folks, including the FBI. I can assume that this may go away, but who knows what damage has been done to both camps. Let the debates begin and if Bernie brings it up, you can bet Hillary is ready for the rebuttal. Bernie would be smart to not go there, as I think Hillary is twice as smart not to bring it up.

    No, both campaign groups haven't come to an agreement! Words matter and the words you are saying are not accurate.

    The DNC caved minutes after the Sanders campaign filed a Federal lawsuit. As I said before--if the DNC thought they would win then they would have gone forward because the head of the DNC is an unabashed Hillary supporter.

    Maybe it would be smart for you to do a little research on the company who holds the DNC voter data and why the firewall may have mysteriously dropped in the first place.

    The Vice President of NGP VAN, the company hosting the data, just happens to be the nephew of DNC chairman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, an unabashed Clinton supporter. Don't you think that's a little too convenient for dear Debbie and Mrs. Clinton to mysteriously have the firewall Debbie's nephew manages to mysteriously shut down for a little bit and then they happen to "catch" the Sanders campaign on the database? I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but that just seems really fishy to me.

    It's also interesting how you weren't up in arms about the times NGP VAN's firewall went down and Senator Sanders supporters information was stolen. Oh wait...that's because no one tipped off the Washington Post about it then.