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What Does it Take to Convict a Baltimore Cop Who Murders Someone?

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    A Baltimore jury couldn't reach a verdict in the first trial of Baltimore Police Officer William G. Porter, the first individual tried in the death of Freddie Gray. The racial dynamic of the jury deadlock wasn't immediately released, but I have a strong feeling at least one of the white jurors just couldn't bring themselves to convict him.

    This is modern day America. Police get away with murder as long as one person on an eleven person jury refuses to convict them. Who cares that the city has already reached a $6.4 million settlement with his family when the person that murdered him gets to walk off scot-free because a jury is deadlocked?

    It makes me sick that this man who murdered someone who was shackled in the back of his van gets to go home and sleep in his bed tonight, but that's the country we live in now.

    Cops get to murder people at will; the family of the person who was murdered gets a few million dollars; a jury deadlocks on convicting the cop for doing anything wrong; the cop gets to patrol the streets again and murder another unarmed American citizen.

  • Liberal
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    It's an example of "American exceptualiism" at its finest!
  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    A Baltimore jury couldn't reach a verdict in the first trial of Baltimore Police Officer William G. Porter, the first individual tried in the death of Freddie Gray. The racial dynamic of the jury deadlock wasn't immediately released, but I have a strong feeling at least one of the white jurors just couldn't bring themselves to convict him.

    This is modern day America. Police get away with murder as long as one person on an eleven person jury refuses to convict them. Who cares that the city has already reached a $6.4 million settlement with his family when the person that murdered him gets to walk off scot-free because a jury is deadlocked?

    It makes me sick that this man who murdered someone who was shackled in the back of his van gets to go home and sleep in his bed tonight, but that's the country we live in now.

    Cops get to murder people at will; the family of the person who was murdered gets a few million dollars; a jury deadlocks on convicting the cop for doing anything wrong; the cop gets to patrol the streets again and murder another unarmed American citizen.

    Just wait till Trump or Cruz is President; then it will become a real police state as in Russia. They will watch your every move.
  • Center Left
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    This makes me sick. "Watch what happens when I hand cuff a guy and make him think he's in a blender as we start and stop at high speeds, fast turns - brakes again !!!!! Wow, it's like we kicked the crap out of him but technically we didn't touch him". That's BS. I read an artical about the Balt. police and that methodology is not uncommon. This guy died though. Once again justice is not served and the truth is not needed.
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    TJ Wrote: This makes me sick. "Watch what happens when I hand cuff a guy and make him think he's in a blender as we start and stop at high speeds, fast turns - brakes again !!!!! Wow, it's like we kicked the crap out of him but technically we didn't touch him". That's BS. I read an artical about the Balt. police and that methodology is not uncommon. This guy died though. Once again justice is not served and the truth is not needed.

    It just goes to show how hard it is to ever bring a cop to justice when they do something wrong. They take advantage of a criminal justice system that is loathe to hold murderous cops accountable, no matter how much evidence there is stacked against them.

    TJ Wrote: Once again justice is not served and the truth is not needed.

    I fully agree. The truth doesn't matter when a cop is on trial.

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    I notice that the American politzei have shot about a thousand of you over the year. Wouldn't suicide be cheaper?
  • Independent
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    The latest: The cop who killed the kid with the toy pistol will not be charged; this shows again on how the justice system works in favor of the police. Congratulations America.
  • Center Left
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    Yes, this stupid dog and pony show continues ! Take 57.................not guilty......okay, next cop up.....not guilty...okay.....

    Well a few things are certain. Cops won't stop killing unarmed young black men. They seem to have expanded their campaign to include young black boys (Cleveland and Chicago) but the blanket not guilty is still very loud and very clear. It angers me so much and I'm an old white guy in Ohio. What's brewing in the gut of those go to bed at night hearing the gun shots down the street. A few things remain constant and one side has not lost any pawns. I expect the angry frustration to build and as the temp. rises expansion has to go somewhere......I expect it to boil over and justice will not always be delivered in a well lit courtroom. Those will be ugly days but no less justice will be served. Chaos

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    Same old rhetoric from the same old bias people , who only believe that the Justice system only works when it fits their narrative of the event, never allow the facts to get in the way of a good story.
  • Center Left
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    JC,

    That's because all the killing cops are still walking. The only thing your side has lost is a few dozen bullets. Watch out......you can only push so much before something gives way. You may have retired into safety but you just never know.......... continue to duck when you hear a random loud noise.....

    Newton's third law - For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

    physicsclassroom.com/class/newtlaws/Les...

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: Same old rhetoric from the same old bias people , who only believe that the Justice system only works when it fits their narrative of the event, never allow the facts to get in the way of a good story.

    We can flip that narrative and say you've never allowed your biases regarding the sanctity of cops to be changed, no matter how heinous their crime was.

    You have, on countless occasions, championed the fact that cops have a different criminal justice system than the rest of us. You have also insisted that the criminal justice system we have which makes it nearly impossible to charge, let alone convict, a police officer of a crime as being the best criminal justice system the world has ever seen.

    What's the saying again? "[A] grand jury would 'indict a ham sandwich,' if that's what you wanted." So why don't grand juries indict a ham sandwich who murdered an unarmed American citizen? Can it possibly be because the DA doesn't want them to?

    So who's really biased here? The people who want to hold murderous cops accountable in the same way as every other citizen or the people who stick up for the murderous cops and think they deserve a separate set of rules?

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: Same old rhetoric from the same old bias people , who only believe that the Justice system only works when it fits their narrative of the event, never allow the facts to get in the way of a good story.

    We can flip that narrative and say you've never allowed your biases regarding the sanctity of cops to be changed, no matter how heinous their crime was.

    You have, on countless occasions, championed the fact that cops have a different criminal justice system than the rest of us. You have also insisted that the criminal justice system we have which makes it nearly impossible to charge, let alone convict, a police officer of a crime as being the best criminal justice system the world has ever seen.

    What's the saying again? "[A] grand jury would 'indict a ham sandwich,' if that's what you wanted." So why don't grand juries indict a ham sandwich who murdered an unarmed American citizen? Can it possibly be because the DA doesn't want them to?

    So who's really biased here? The people who want to hold murderous cops accountable in the same way as every other citizen or the people who stick up for the murderous cops and think they deserve a separate set of rules?

    You can say all you want about flipping a narrative but the facts state other wise, little Mr. Rice had a replica /pellet gun which is not a toy, the child all 5'7" and 135 lbs. was pointing this weapon at responding officers to a report of a MAN with a gun, in the same area where 2 officers were slain last year, officers do not listen to bystanders who often say and do things to make a situation worse, in this case shouting that it was a fake gun, although the officers never claimed to have heard this shout. as least not to the investigators to my knowledge, now where is the parent who bought this weapon and what did she /he think this 12 years old would do with this weapon? Now flip that narrative. Now as for my bias , I felt and knew that the cop in LA who shot and killed the kid on the train platform while claiming that he mistakenly reached for his handgun instead of his Taser would go to jail and he did, the other cop who also shot a man in back several times whiles chasing him for a citation offense should and will go to jail, so when the facts state the cause and effect of a crime or non-crime , it's not a miscarriage of Justice just because you think and believe otherwise.

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    johnnycee Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: Same old rhetoric from the same old bias people , who only believe that the Justice system only works when it fits their narrative of the event, never allow the facts to get in the way of a good story.

    We can flip that narrative and say you've never allowed your biases regarding the sanctity of cops to be changed, no matter how heinous their crime was.

    You have, on countless occasions, championed the fact that cops have a different criminal justice system than the rest of us. You have also insisted that the criminal justice system we have which makes it nearly impossible to charge, let alone convict, a police officer of a crime as being the best criminal justice system the world has ever seen.

    What's the saying again? "[A] grand jury would 'indict a ham sandwich,' if that's what you wanted." So why don't grand juries indict a ham sandwich who murdered an unarmed American citizen? Can it possibly be because the DA doesn't want them to?

    So who's really biased here? The people who want to hold murderous cops accountable in the same way as every other citizen or the people who stick up for the murderous cops and think they deserve a separate set of rules?

    You can say all you want about flipping a narrative but the facts state other wise, little Mr. Rice had a replica /pellet gun which is not a toy, the child all 5'7" and 135 lbs. was pointing this weapon at responding officers to a report of a MAN with a gun, in the same area where 2 officers were slain last year, officers do not listen to bystanders who often say and do things to make a situation worse, in this case shouting that it was a fake gun, although the officers never claimed to have heard this shout. as least not to the investigators to my knowledge, now where is the parent who bought this weapon and what did she /he think this 12 years old would do with this weapon? Now flip that narrative. Now as for my bias , I felt and knew that the cop in LA who shot and killed the kid on the train platform while claiming that he mistakenly reached for his handgun instead of his Taser would go to jail and he did, the other cop who also shot a man in back several times whiles chasing him for a citation offense should and will go to jail, so when the facts state the cause and effect of a crime or non-crime , it's not a miscarriage of Justice just because you think and believe otherwise.

    Again very biased BS J.C. As I said many times the "military training" in this country does it; shoot first then ask questions. Also always shoot to kill; never just to warn or shoot on non lethal body parts. Just shoot someone in the back 16 times; that is their new training? They should throw out all the ex-military, because they see any "offender" as the enemy. They never learned "serve" and "protect" that is not what you learn in Iraq. Any violation of sometimes ridiculous laws warrant a death penalty. You will never learn; just keep on shooting; the more rounds the better.
  • Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: Same old rhetoric from the same old bias people , who only believe that the Justice system only works when it fits their narrative of the event, never allow the facts to get in the way of a good story.

    We can flip that narrative and say you've never allowed your biases regarding the sanctity of cops to be changed, no matter how heinous their crime was.

    You have, on countless occasions, championed the fact that cops have a different criminal justice system than the rest of us. You have also insisted that the criminal justice system we have which makes it nearly impossible to charge, let alone convict, a police officer of a crime as being the best criminal justice system the world has ever seen.

    What's the saying again? "[A] grand jury would 'indict a ham sandwich,' if that's what you wanted." So why don't grand juries indict a ham sandwich who murdered an unarmed American citizen? Can it possibly be because the DA doesn't want them to?

    So who's really biased here? The people who want to hold murderous cops accountable in the same way as every other citizen or the people who stick up for the murderous cops and think they deserve a separate set of rules?

    You can say all you want about flipping a narrative but the facts state other wise, little Mr. Rice had a replica /pellet gun which is not a toy, the child all 5'7" and 135 lbs. was pointing this weapon at responding officers to a report of a MAN with a gun, in the same area where 2 officers were slain last year, officers do not listen to bystanders who often say and do things to make a situation worse, in this case shouting that it was a fake gun, although the officers never claimed to have heard this shout. as least not to the investigators to my knowledge, now where is the parent who bought this weapon and what did she /he think this 12 years old would do with this weapon? Now flip that narrative. Now as for my bias , I felt and knew that the cop in LA who shot and killed the kid on the train platform while claiming that he mistakenly reached for his handgun instead of his Taser would go to jail and he did, the other cop who also shot a man in back several times whiles chasing him for a citation offense should and will go to jail, so when the facts state the cause and effect of a crime or non-crime , it's not a miscarriage of Justice just because you think and believe otherwise.

    Again very biased BS J.C. As I said many times the "military training" in this country does it; shoot first then ask questions. Also always shoot to kill; never just to warn or shoot on non lethal body parts. Just shoot someone in the back 16 times; that is their new training? They should throw out all the ex-military, because they see any "offender" as the enemy. They never learned "serve" and "protect" that is not what you learn in Iraq. Any violation of sometimes ridiculous laws warrant a death penalty. You will never learn; just keep on shooting; the more rounds the better.
    No need to highlight your views, your idea of some kind of benevolent policed force and military flies in the face of reality, and needs not be highlighted,we were not trained to wound, no armed force trains that way, we are trained however to eliminate the threat, I can be objective but it seems you cannot , your obvious bias prevents you, you take one ,maybe two incidents and then reach a conclusion that if not all but great majority of police officers are oppressors of the downtrodden, and yet every one of these officers would lay down their own lives protecting you, which btw, 124 have done so this year so far.
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    Oh.......its going to get a whole lot better for guns going off. Now, Universities are electing to allow concealed carry in classrooms, dorms, meeting areas, University grounds, and parking lots. Practical none of these gun toting students received any MILITARY TRAINING on the use of a firearm. So, that reasoning doesn't take for the new kids having guns, because they never served in the military, but they have guns. How many gun sights are being trained on Police called upon campus to investigate a crime or call for assistance. Being part of a Police organization is going to be a whole lot more difficult and dangerous. I think its about time to bring the Terminator out of the closet. Scientists are already concerned about how to control AI (Artificial Intelligence) on forthcoming mass production of robotics. So, I guess what I'm saying is WHO needs military training anymore when they start sending in the robots. Military Training will no longer be an excuse to blame the people who are doing the killing.

    I wonder what a robot altercation with a kid like Rice having a pellet gun would do? If it looks like a gun, than it probably is a gun..............too bad for the kid. Our world is on the verge of seeing just how dominate Police activity and Justice will be in the near future.

    Parents don't give your kids toy guns. Parents raise your kids to respect authority in teachers, other people and Police. Parents teach your children instead of allowing their character and behavior being taught by their peers. Parents be parents not some stranger accommodating space in the same house. I'm sorry for what happen to the Rice kid, but I feel that his parents did him wrong with bad parenting. Who gave the kid the toy gun? Who taught the kid how to behave in public and not point a toy gun at people and the Police? Who did not teach the kid to show respect? All parents should learn of this lesson.

    Respect Police authority and all people in society.................you'll live longer.