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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Can anybody give a reason why Hillary has chosen to associate herself with gun confiscation and Presidential orders about gun control in her campaign? She already has enough votes and support according to polls to win over everybody. All she had to do was be nice.
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    There is a huge difference between a gun buyback program and a gun confiscation program.

    What Hillary recently discussed, **not proposed**, but merely discussed, is a gun buyback program of certain types of guns, specifically semi-automatic assault rifles. She likened it to the "cash for clunkers" car program during the Obama Administration.

    It's something the vast majority of Democrats, myself included, agree with.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    There is a huge difference between a gun buyback program and a gun confiscation program.

    What Hillary recently discussed, **not proposed**, but merely discussed, is a gun buyback program of certain types of guns, specifically semi-automatic assault rifles. She likened it to the "cash for clunkers" car program during the Obama Administration.

    It's something the vast majority of Democrats, myself included, agree with.

    She likened it to Australia's which is not voluntary and makes it a confiscation program.

    Clinton Would Consider National Gun Buyback Program | The Daily ...

    The Daily Caller › 2015/10/16 › hillary-s...

    Oct 16, 2015 - Hillary Clinton says she'd consider a national gun buyback program like Australia's.

    If she keeps it up there will probably never be a Democratic elected office holder. She should not have said that. Unless she knows something that contradicts every other response to gun control legislation .

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    You do know the Daily Caller is a right wing website, right? The site is owned by Tucker Carlson, a Fox News pundit and the Republican on CNN's original Crossfire.

    I encourage you to read Secretary Clinton's actual statement and not a blog from a right wing ideologue. Blogs are not news; they are the personal opinion of whoever writes them.

    And do you also understand that Australia is not going house to house confiscating everyone's guns? They passed a law that said "Hey! We will buy your guns if you are willing to give them up, but if you use your gun and murder someone then you're fucked."

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    jaredsxtn, You are missing the point. Australia's buy back program is not voluntary. All people hear and know is that Australia confiscated 650,000 guns. It may have not a truthful word in it but it is just as truthful to people as Carly Fiorina's seeing planned parenthood people trading in baby parts. My point is the conversation should not exist. Do you think Hillary talking about gun control is going to give her a surplus of votes? I think it will hurt if it has not already cost her the election. I keep calling for a toning down of the anti gun rhetoric until in position. There already are multiple stories building resentment saying she is willing to risk a civil war for her gun agenda. I cannot see anyway it would have hurt her to stay with her already quieted down accepted position on gun control. What is your response to her renewed further push to the left on gun control?
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:What is your response to her renewed further push to the left on gun control?

    My response is that I'm happy she is finally advocating a position that the vast majority of liberals and Democrats believe in.

    Nearly 100% of Democrats and the vast majority of Independents believe in common sense gun control. How in the world have you convinced yourself that this isn't something Democrats want her to advocate?

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:What is your response to her renewed further push to the left on gun control?

    My response is that I'm happy she is finally advocating a position that the vast majority of liberals and Democrats believe in.

    Nearly 100% of Democrats and the vast majority of Independents believe in common sense gun control. How in the world have you convinced yourself that this isn't something Democrats want her to advocate?

    How in the world can you not see this would jeopardize her candidacy? Do you think this moving to the left of Bernie, and broadcasting this new harder position is beneficial to her candidacy? She is on the record supporting gun control. She can't get people to vote twice, she is already the chosen candidate of a majority so why would she need to make this move. Just as I have been telling you that the gun control radicals need to tone it down I am telling you that she has probably now lost the election making a point to connect herself to the Australian gun control program. That is a celebration of victory announcement, not a promotion of candidacy announcement.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:What is your response to her renewed further push to the left on gun control?

    My response is that I'm happy she is finally advocating a position that the vast majority of liberals and Democrats believe in.

    Nearly 100% of Democrats and the vast majority of Independents believe in common sense gun control. How in the world have you convinced yourself that this isn't something Democrats want her to advocate?

    How in the world can you not see this would jeopardize her candidacy? Do you think this moving to the left of Bernie, and broadcasting this new harder position is beneficial to her candidacy? She is on the record supporting gun control. She can't get people to vote twice, she is already the chosen candidate of a majority so why would she need to make this move. Just as I have been telling you that the gun control radicals need to tone it down I am telling you that she has probably now lost the election making a point to connect herself to the Australian gun control program. That is a celebration of victory announcement, not a promotion of candidacy announcement.

    Jared; "common sense gun control" does not exist; Take for instance "speeding"; how many are caught and how many keep speeding? It is impossible to go from house to house and check how many guns and ammo they have and if it is within any such "control". Be my guest! I keep insisting that it is way too late to have any control; the barn doors have been open for centuries on this subject; so how do you want to reign that in? Impossible as long as there is an "Second Amendment.
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:What is your response to her renewed further push to the left on gun control?

    My response is that I'm happy she is finally advocating a position that the vast majority of liberals and Democrats believe in.

    Nearly 100% of Democrats and the vast majority of Independents believe in common sense gun control. How in the world have you convinced yourself that this isn't something Democrats want her to advocate?

    How in the world can you not see this would jeopardize her candidacy? Do you think this moving to the left of Bernie, and broadcasting this new harder position is beneficial to her candidacy? She is on the record supporting gun control. She can't get people to vote twice, she is already the chosen candidate of a majority so why would she need to make this move. Just as I have been telling you that the gun control radicals need to tone it down I am telling you that she has probably now lost the election making a point to connect herself to the Australian gun control program. That is a celebration of victory announcement, not a promotion of candidacy announcement.

    Jared; "common sense gun control" does not exist; Take for instance "speeding"; how many are caught and how many keep speeding? It is impossible to go from house to house and check how many guns and ammo they have and if it is within any such "control". Be my guest! I keep insisting that it is way too late to have any control; the barn doors have been open for centuries on this subject; so how do you want to reign that in? Impossible as long as there is an "Second Amendment.
    It will continue to polarize until there is no Democratic Party. Does Hillary have nothing else to offer that she has to offer gun control?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    2013 Pew research show 32 percent of Democrats and 41 percent of Independants own guns. Majority of gun owners are white male. That is a very large voting block.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: 2013 Pew research show 32 percent of Democrats and 41 percent of Independants own guns. Majority of gun owners are white male. That is a very large voting block.

    And a 2015 Pew Research study shows that 85% of all respondents (79% Republican and 88% Democrat) want expanded and universal background checks; 70% of all respondents (55% Republican and 85% Democrat) want a Federal database to track all gun sales; and 57% of all respondents (48% Republican and 70% Democrat) want to ban all assault rifles.

    Partisan Views of Gun Proposals

    You keep acting like this is some in-depth policy proposal Secretary Clinton laid out. She did no such thing. She answered a question at a campaign event and answered it in a way that the vast majority of Democrats agree with. She is not trying to wind independents right now; she is trying to win the Democratic nomination.

    And there's really no such thing as an "independent" anyway. Study after study has shown that people who claim they are independents are in fact partisan, but don't admit it to a pollster. They always tend to vote for the same party in each and every election and rarely, if ever, vote for a Republican in one election and a Democrat in another. It has more to do with voter turnout and less to do about winning the so called independent vote.

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    Hillary has the nomination, There are no polls or any other report that questions that she will get the Democratic nomination. I believe she has the nomination and I think you believe she has the nomination. Taking that as axiomatic what possible reason would she have for going further left and saying this further left position is making gun control a voting issue. Gun control has always cost Democratic losses. Tell me how a further left position on gun control is going to help her win the election. She has expressed her willingness to use Presidential directives so why broadcast it. For all practical purposes she is gloating about her position. That in itself can energize votes against her. There are far too many issues that can benefit the majority of voters that she could be professing. She will get a net loss from her gun control. Worse than her losing the election is that she will be turning the government over to not one person that has the economic welfare of most of the people as not even a priorit, even a concern.
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    How have you convinced yourself that she will get a net loss of votes over her positions on gun control when the vast majority of both Republicans and Democrats want new gun control measures? That doesn't make much sense.

    Look at the chart I provided and ask yourself if what she is saying is outside of the mainstream. She's saying things that gun owners and non gun owners alike agree with. How will that lose her the election?

    And once again--she hasn't proposed anything! She answered a question. A question and answer session is far different than a policy proposal, let alone the passage of new gun control measures by the Congress and signed into law.

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    Dutch Wrote: It is impossible to go from house to house and check how many guns and ammo they have and if it is within any such "control".

    I never suggested that. For starters, the Fourth Amendment specifically outlaws that. It also would be impossible to actually enforce.

    What I do suggest is outlawing the manufacture of any bullet or gun that isn't smart. Then create a buyback program for guns and bullets that aren't smart. Will there be some who refuse partake in the program? Sure. But this isn't a problem that will be fixed over night. Change comes incrementally, but you have to start somewhere.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    How have you convinced yourself that she will get a net loss of votes over her positions on gun control when the vast majority of both Republicans and Democrats want new gun control measures? That doesn't make much sense.

    Look at the chart I provided and ask yourself if what she is saying is outside of the mainstream. She's saying things that gun owners and non gun owners alike agree with. How will that lose her the election?

    And once again--she hasn't proposed anything! She answered a question. A question and answer session is far different than a policy proposal, let alone the passage of new gun control measures by the Congress and signed into law.

    jaredsxtn She has said that it is worth looking into the Australian buy back program. That program is not voluntary. She now has a direct connection to confiscation. No matter how innocent or casual you try to portray it, the GOP will jump all over it. There is no support for confiscation that is greater than the firestorm it will erupt. Almost everybody is for some sort of reasonable gun control. Confiscation in the face of the 2nd Amendment during heightened terrorist awareness is a loser.