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  • Independent
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    I noticed lately that there is hardly any "democratic" news; all the news centers around either Trump, terrorists, or GOP idiotic statements. Even on this site it is dead quiet. So the old saying goes into effect: The one's with the biggest "mouth's" get the most attention. So I'll open my big mouth and will say: This country will go to hell if we continue this naïve attitude.

    Let's be honest, if any of the GOP candidates gets elected then we are doomed; none of them have any clue about the outside world; this "island mentality" will be our demise. "Money" in the end will no longer be the "god" you can trust, neither your government. The total stupidity shown by the candidates, like we should carpet bomb ISIS shows that they have never learned anything from all our lost wars. If indeed another 9/11 would occur here, then indeed the Muslims will be cheering. No wonder; since we have only one solution as always; Do things our way, or we put a gun at your head or bomb the hell out of you" . Guess who has been the "bully" in this world way before 9/11, which caused 9/11. So we asking for it, the way we stomp around the world. Now we are dragging in the whole of NATO again to help solve our own created mess; so we can then point fingers again if things fail again, then of course it is the fault of NATO. etc. What an horrible hypocrites have we become. Our leaders have the wrong advisors; ISIS or other affiliated groups will only disperse to other countries and the "game" starts all over again; however they (so called "terrorists) will have learned from it, but not us; it is Vietnam all over again.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch, The solution to all world problems is to get rid of poverty and elevate all people to the level where they can afford the time and money to visit national parks and Disney Land. Happy people are not easily talked into throwing their lives away. There used to be a political party that was the party of the working man. What and who and why was that party fractionalized into multiple mini planks that now can't even build a park bench. Divide and conquer is not new. Why is every effort made to reduce the USA to a makeup similar to the colonies before the revolution. The right wing Talk Stars have contributed to the self sufficient independent attitude that precludes any cooperative effort. They promote that riches and prosperity are right around the corner for anybody willing to work hard enough. That attitude and promise are apparently enough to deny needing help.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Dutch, The solution to all world problems is to get rid of poverty and elevate all people to the level where they can afford the time and money to visit national parks and Disney Land. Happy people are not easily talked into throwing their lives away. There used to be a political party that was the party of the working man. What and who and why was that party fractionalized into multiple mini planks that now can't even build a park bench. Divide and conquer is not new. Why is every effort made to reduce the USA to a makeup similar to the colonies before the revolution. The right wing Talk Stars have contributed to the self sufficient independent attitude that precludes any cooperative effort. They promote that riches and prosperity are right around the corner for anybody willing to work hard enough. That attitude and promise are apparently enough to deny needing help.
    Yes Chet; you understand what I mean; feed people, educate people, give them a decent job and income; then you don't get an ISIS like environment. The same happened after WWI we let the Germans suffer, they had no food, jobs etc. which created the Hitler thing. We are doing the same stupid thing again. Just look at all the Muslim countries who take care of their people; they don't have the same problem as we created in Iraq and all over the place. Brains are optional in this country.
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Dutch, The solution to all world problems is to get rid of poverty and elevate all people to the level where they can afford the time and money to visit national parks and Disney Land. Happy people are not easily talked into throwing their lives away. There used to be a political party that was the party of the working man. What and who and why was that party fractionalized into multiple mini planks that now can't even build a park bench. Divide and conquer is not new. Why is every effort made to reduce the USA to a makeup similar to the colonies before the revolution. The right wing Talk Stars have contributed to the self sufficient independent attitude that precludes any cooperative effort. They promote that riches and prosperity are right around the corner for anybody willing to work hard enough. That attitude and promise are apparently enough to deny needing help.
    Yes Chet; you understand what I mean; feed people, educate people, give them a decent job and income; then you don't get an ISIS like environment. The same happened after WWI we let the Germans suffer, they had no food, jobs etc. which created the Hitler thing. We are doing the same stupid thing again. Just look at all the Muslim countries who take care of their people; they don't have the same problem as we created in Iraq and all over the place. Brains are optional in this country.
    And the worse results are where we recognized sovereign leaders instead of suffering people. Profit through people is the solution. There is a real danger that has to be looked out for. Suffering people are easy to convert to radicalism, but happy content people are prime targets for greedy scammers and unscrupulous leaders. A watch dog is needed!
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Dutch, The solution to all world problems is to get rid of poverty and elevate all people to the level where they can afford the time and money to visit national parks and Disney Land. Happy people are not easily talked into throwing their lives away. There used to be a political party that was the party of the working man. What and who and why was that party fractionalized into multiple mini planks that now can't even build a park bench. Divide and conquer is not new. Why is every effort made to reduce the USA to a makeup similar to the colonies before the revolution. The right wing Talk Stars have contributed to the self sufficient independent attitude that precludes any cooperative effort. They promote that riches and prosperity are right around the corner for anybody willing to work hard enough. That attitude and promise are apparently enough to deny needing help.
    Yes Chet; you understand what I mean; feed people, educate people, give them a decent job and income; then you don't get an ISIS like environment. The same happened after WWI we let the Germans suffer, they had no food, jobs etc. which created the Hitler thing. We are doing the same stupid thing again. Just look at all the Muslim countries who take care of their people; they don't have the same problem as we created in Iraq and all over the place. Brains are optional in this country.
    And the worse results are where we recognized sovereign leaders instead of suffering people. Profit through people is the solution. There is a real danger that has to be looked out for. Suffering people are easy to convert to radicalism, but happy content people are prime targets for greedy scammers and unscrupulous leaders. A watch dog is needed!
    Yes Chet you've got the picture; so the solution is a "balanced" society and of course a "nice sweet" watch dog; WOEF!!!
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Dutch, The solution to all world problems is to get rid of poverty and elevate all people to the level where they can afford the time and money to visit national parks and Disney Land. Happy people are not easily talked into throwing their lives away. There used to be a political party that was the party of the working man. What and who and why was that party fractionalized into multiple mini planks that now can't even build a park bench. Divide and conquer is not new. Why is every effort made to reduce the USA to a makeup similar to the colonies before the revolution. The right wing Talk Stars have contributed to the self sufficient independent attitude that precludes any cooperative effort. They promote that riches and prosperity are right around the corner for anybody willing to work hard enough. That attitude and promise are apparently enough to deny needing help.
    Yes Chet; you understand what I mean; feed people, educate people, give them a decent job and income; then you don't get an ISIS like environment. The same happened after WWI we let the Germans suffer, they had no food, jobs etc. which created the Hitler thing. We are doing the same stupid thing again. Just look at all the Muslim countries who take care of their people; they don't have the same problem as we created in Iraq and all over the place. Brains are optional in this country.
    And the worse results are where we recognized sovereign leaders instead of suffering people. Profit through people is the solution. There is a real danger that has to be looked out for. Suffering people are easy to convert to radicalism, but happy content people are prime targets for greedy scammers and unscrupulous leaders. A watch dog is needed!
    Yes Chet you've got the picture; so the solution is a "balanced" society and of course a "nice sweet" watch dog; WOEF!!!
    Dutch, I gave a lot of thought to my last line about a watch dog because I knew what you would write. I didn't want to interrupt the continuity of your concept. But I know and have experienced the negative results of prosperity on workers rights. As important as unconditional support is in the first stage of implementation, we are not implementing here. We are formulating. I was conflicted and still am about adding the watch dog comment. Human rights as the solution has always been my main motivation.
  • Independent
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Dutch, The solution to all world problems is to get rid of poverty and elevate all people to the level where they can afford the time and money to visit national parks and Disney Land. Happy people are not easily talked into throwing their lives away. There used to be a political party that was the party of the working man. What and who and why was that party fractionalized into multiple mini planks that now can't even build a park bench. Divide and conquer is not new. Why is every effort made to reduce the USA to a makeup similar to the colonies before the revolution. The right wing Talk Stars have contributed to the self sufficient independent attitude that precludes any cooperative effort. They promote that riches and prosperity are right around the corner for anybody willing to work hard enough. That attitude and promise are apparently enough to deny needing help.
    Yes Chet; you understand what I mean; feed people, educate people, give them a decent job and income; then you don't get an ISIS like environment. The same happened after WWI we let the Germans suffer, they had no food, jobs etc. which created the Hitler thing. We are doing the same stupid thing again. Just look at all the Muslim countries who take care of their people; they don't have the same problem as we created in Iraq and all over the place. Brains are optional in this country.
    And the worse results are where we recognized sovereign leaders instead of suffering people. Profit through people is the solution. There is a real danger that has to be looked out for. Suffering people are easy to convert to radicalism, but happy content people are prime targets for greedy scammers and unscrupulous leaders. A watch dog is needed!
    Yes Chet you've got the picture; so the solution is a "balanced" society and of course a "nice sweet" watch dog; WOEF!!!
    Dutch, I gave a lot of thought to my last line about a watch dog because I knew what you would write. I didn't want to interrupt the continuity of your concept. But I know and have experienced the negative results of prosperity on workers rights. As important as unconditional support is in the first stage of implementation, we are not implementing here. We are formulating. I was conflicted and still am about adding the watch dog comment. Human rights as the solution has always been my main motivation.
    Don't worry about it; the world and people evolve or may destroy the species; you and I are powerless and don't count. So make the best of it in your lifetime and try to enjoy. This is only a discussion site, so leave it at that. However lately the "clan" has become way too lazy to write anything; or they hate to hear the truth?. Anyway your "watchdog" has not learned to shoot an Uzi yet; so you better train it. Ha Ha.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch -- You and I and others have discussed this subject in the past. Our worldviews are based on our life's experiences (tempered by our DNA), and in a sense we are all captive of our experiences unless we can unchain ourselves and delve into critical thought and self reflection. Americans react too emotionally about events, and often out of ignorance. We are nationalistic to a fault, too religious, and yes too apathetic. My biggest difficulty in canvassing neighborhoods to get people to vote was to get their passions up. We have some wonderful Democrats who are highly passionate, but we also have a lot of couch potatoes who are too intellectually lazy to think about the implications of proposed actions by candidates. Many live in la la land with little idea of how government functions. We can complain about how inequality is hurting America, but unless we get more activism from a greater number of liberals, this country could very well go down the tubes, with Trump or Cruz at the helm.
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    It has been some time now; but the apathy continues on this site; for instance Trump can say we are going to built concentration camps for Democrats and no one blinks. What is wrong with you guys; too busy shopping or decorating pagan trees??
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    Dutch -- Maybe we are sick and tired of the media frenzy...the "sensationalism" around everything that Trump does or says...or the ties he wears or what he eats or what he thinks about Lindsay Graham. How often have we heard about his hair? No one mentions Bernie Sanders hair or Hillary Clinton's hair. But the media seem to be infatuated with Trump's hair...it's color and the way he combs it. One person got headlines because she was allowed to come out of the audience and touch it to confirm "It's real!" They seem to have a hair fetish.

    Now it's all about Muslims. I guess because his hair is real we have to believe him on what he says about Muslims. The fact is that Donald Trump's views on a whole host of issues remind me of views by movie stars, athletes, and other celebrities who only have a very shallow knowledge of an issue, but because of their celebrity status, somehow demand presence and believability. Trump is a realty show host that has learned to apply those skills to bamboozle the media and a large part of the public. The very fact that we discuss him so much on this website (and I'm guilty of that) suggest that he is winning the internet media as well.

    Anything to report on the Paris Climate Change summit? That's second page news to Trump anything.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Dutch -- Maybe we are sick and tired of the media frenzy...the "sensationalism" around everything that Trump does or says...or the ties he wears or what he eats or what he thinks about Lindsay Graham. How often have we heard about his hair? No one mentions Bernie Sanders hair or Hillary Clinton's hair. But the media seem to be infatuated with Trump's hair...it's color and the way he combs it. One person got headlines because she was allowed to come out of the audience and touch it to confirm "It's real!" They seem to have a hair fetish.

    Now it's all about Muslims. I guess because his hair is real we have to believe him on what he says about Muslims. The fact is that Donald Trump's views on a whole host of issues remind me of views by movie stars, athletes, and other celebrities who only have a very shallow knowledge of an issue, but because of their celebrity status, somehow demand presence and believability. Trump is a realty show host that has learned to apply those skills to bamboozle the media and a large part of the public. The very fact that we discuss him so much on this website (and I'm guilty of that) suggest that he is winning the internet media as well.

    Anything to report on the Paris Climate Change summit? That's second page news to Trump anything.

    Schmidt; my message did not point to you; you are the most reliable contributer here; my compliments. I meant the one's who seldom or never are active on this site. Sure of course the issue is not all Trump, but the "total election" happening as well of course other news. But as you yourself said the more "attention" to someone is very dangerous in this case if that person only rises to fame by acting as Hitler did. (read my other posts) don't underestimate the GOP mentality. Hilary thinks she will win, but if she is too confident/arrogant that may be her undoing.
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    Dutch -- Yes I knew you weren't directing any criticism at me. I probably am more frustrated than anyone on this website about Republican tactics and especially those by Trump. Cruz is a close second. I have looked again at the traits of fascism and how they might apply to Trump. Many of them do. I just wonder how much of that crap Trump really believes and how much he is just pandering to the far right. As much as his rhetoric puts us off, what scares me more is his audience cheering his every pronouncement. Now that is something that invites comparisons to Pre World War II Europe.
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    Schmidt Wrote: Dutch -- Yes I knew you weren't directing any criticism at me. I probably am more frustrated than anyone on this website about Republican tactics and especially those by Trump. Cruz is a close second. I have looked again at the traits of fascism and how they might apply to Trump. Many of them do. I just wonder how much of that crap Trump really believes and how much he is just pandering to the far right. As much as his rhetoric puts us off, what scares me more is his audience cheering his every pronouncement. Now that is something that invites comparisons to Pre World War II Europe.
    Schmidt; now comes the most dangerous person to the foreground; Mr. Cruz. I'm amazed that this guy can "uberhaupt" run, because he was born in Canada; so please explain to us how this is possible?
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch -- We discussed his citizenship problem a while back.

    Democratic Hub: Ted Cruz's Citizenship problem

    While Cruz qualifies for US citizenship, he has only ever shown his Alberta Canada birth certificate. At some point in his life, his mother would have had to file the paperwork for US citizenship, exactly the same as I did for my two children. Since he hasn't shown his for DS 2029, the consular report of birth abroad, which serves as his real US birth certificate, then I can only assume he either doesn't have one (which would make him an illegal) or his mother filed it much later...which would have made him an illegal until it was filed. I've beat this topic to death in my prior posts and don't care to get into that discussion again.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Dutch -- We discussed his citizenship problem a while back.

    Democratic Hub: Ted Cruz's Citizenship problem

    While Cruz qualifies for US citizenship, he has only ever shown his Alberta Canada birth certificate. At some point in his life, his mother would have had to file the paperwork for US citizenship, exactly the same as I did for my two children. Since he hasn't shown his for DS 2029, the consular report of birth abroad, which serves as his real US birth certificate, then I can only assume he either doesn't have one (which would make him an illegal) or his mother filed it much later...which would have made him an illegal until it was filed. I've beat this topic to death in my prior posts and don't care to get into that discussion again.

    Schmidt, sure you can beat it to death, but the media act if they are deaf and dumb, so that does not help much, as long as this site is only read by me, you and the cat. I guess the rest of the members either emigrated or died from eating too much turkey; may be they are still shopping and camping outside the stores or fell of the roof decorating the house.