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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:

    Lonely Bird quote: "Beyond that despite your claims to the contrary the U.S. has never been interested in advancing democracy anywhere in the world."

    That is false. One of the U.S. diplomatic mission goals is to promote Democracy as freedom from oppressive rule of governments. Democracy is spreading as more countries have been altering their governments to choose a democratic form of policy and law to its citizens. Example, recently are women in Saudi Arabia legally becoming able to vote and place women in office. Although diplomacy is limited in approaches to promoting democracy, it has to show respect to all forms of national forms of government. This is where diplomacy works to achieve relations, negotiations, provide aid, and business opportunity. As U.S. diplomacy works its mission in any nation, it has a golden opportunity to promote democracy and it has success around the world in Asia, Europe, Middle East and the world is watching as the giant China is changing. These changes take decades to show effects of diplomacy promoting democracy.

    Many countries are now entertaining freedoms in the democratic vote, such as Myanmar electing its first woman president. Dropping are the old leaders and dictators ruling over their citizens. So, to say the U.S. has never been interested in advancing democracy is just foolishness and non-intelligent recall of history. One of the biggest reason for fostering democracy is the "Vote", which when allowed to all citizens of a nation can adopt a variety of humane changes in government rule...............that is the U.S. interest in advancing democracy.

    Plain, pure, unadulterated bullshit.

    china is changing? Really? Not hardly. Ask the uighurs. Ask the Tibetans. The party is greatly concerned with internal stability due to varying economic conditions in different areas of the country. Do you think they would not and do not hesitate to use force when they deem it necessary? There have been upheavals of labor strife in the prc yet we see little signs of political reform. Economic reform has resulted in many millionaires but a working class that cannot spend on consumption.

    history shows you to be wrong. Shall we start with manifest destiny?, the Mexican war, the annexation of Hawaii, the Spanish-Cuban-American war? Central American dictatorships propped up for the benefit of American businesses? Smedley Butler would disagree with you and I will take him as well as Andrew Bacevich over you any day. Tripoli? It's in the marine corps hymn. The Monroe doctrine? Hardly about democracy. Much more about keeping Europe out of "our" hemisphere. Guatemala and Arbenz? Mossadeh and Iran? Iran/Iraq war selling weapons to both side? Let us not forget Africa or Chile, Argentina or you frigging name it in dozens of places over multiple decades.

    the vote? Russians "voted" in the USSR. The Chinese "vote" in the prc. Iraqis "voted" in saddam's iraq. The vote without democratic institutions means nothing. Read Hannah Arendt's "On Revolution" for some insight into how revolutions have failed ever since the French Revolution.

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    Don't know what planet your on Lonely Bird but here are the facts rather you read and believe or not:

    Mission Statement of U.S. State Department: "Shape and sustain a peaceful, prosperous, just, and DEMOCRATIC WORLD and foster conditions for stability and progress for the benefit of the American people and people everywhere."

    This may be found in several links:

    http://diplomacy.state.gov/discoverdiplomacy/diplomacy101/issues/170606.htm

    http://www.state.gov/s/dmr/qddr/185613.htm

    The above are just two of many that indicate the Mission Statement of all Diplomatic Missions by the United States. I did alter the above mission statement by making "Democratic World" bold and capitalized just in case you design over step the reading of the facts.

    Diplomacy for making more democratic nations is slow, but there are many successes. The vote is just one way because it is power by the people that makes the changes and sometimes sacrifice is required. Having the nurturing of America toward that goal for democracy just helps it along. Again, it is slow, but history has many examples of change in nations aided by our diplomacy.

    It ain't BS. It's the Mission Statement of all our diplomatic missions.

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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:

    Don't know what planet your on Lonely Bird but here are the facts rather you read and believe or not:

    Mission Statement of U.S. State Department: "Shape and sustain a peaceful, prosperous, just, and DEMOCRATIC WORLD and foster conditions for stability and progress for the benefit of the American people and people everywhere."

    This may be found in several links:

    http://diplomacy.state.gov/discoverdiplomacy/diplomacy101/issues/170606.htm

    http://www.state.gov/s/dmr/qddr/185613.htm

    The above are just two of many that indicate the Mission Statement of all Diplomatic Missions by the United States. I did alter the above mission statement by making "Democratic World" bold and capitalized just in case you design over step the reading of the facts.

    Diplomacy for making more democratic nations is slow, but there are many successes. The vote is just one way because it is power by the people that makes the changes and sometimes sacrifice is required. Having the nurturing of America toward that goal for democracy just helps it along. Again, it is slow, but history has many examples of change in nations aided by our diplomacy.

    It ain't BS. It's the Mission Statement of all our diplomatic missions.

    Mission statements mean nothing. Actions show the world. And our actions have been and will be focused upon opening markets, by force if necessary, for export goods as well as maintaining status quo or changing situations, by force if necessary, for continued access to strategic raw materials such as oil. You failed to refute what I listed because you cannot refute history. it is not about democracy but about corporate capitalism.
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    Like I anticipated Lonely Bird, just another deniable responder refusing to accept the facts. Do you know why organizations have Mission Statements? It is their organizational mantra and every action and agenda topic is directly focused on the Mission Statement. Apparently, you have no clue on what the U.S. State Department does, so admit it, you failed in your quest to be credible. From business, corporations, education and government, most all have a valid Mission Statement and if not they need to rewrite it or create one. In any management circle of learning, Mission statements are taught to become maps toward their ultimate goals in management.

    The U.S. has evoked many policy directions in world nations, which identifies with their role in spreading democracy around the world. As in todays' Politico Magazine, an article reports a citizen is being sent to prison for mocking the King's dog. In a democracy, especially in America, that could never be done to any citizen, but in other countries, it continues to happen with dictatorships and ego-maniac rulers. The U.S. State Departments Mission Statement that includes spreading democracy around the world focuses on many types of inhuman rules on people.

    Russia and China, the big ones, are changing because their citizens recognize some of America's brilliance in government. No, America is not without faults and has much to improve, but America does show the world we have many things to admire. Thus, America being admired does offer examples where world nations can adopt change. Smaller nations, such as Turkey in this thread have their issues and shows issues that make them not as reliable and trusting as others. Turkey has to change as all nations on this planet has to so that humanity can reach an ultimate goal of social reform.

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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:

    Like I anticipated Lonely Bird, just another deniable responder refusing to accept the facts. Do you know why organizations have Mission Statements? It is their organizational mantra and every action and agenda topic is directly focused on the Mission Statement. Apparently, you have no clue on what the U.S. State Department does, so admit it, you failed in your quest to be credible. From business, corporations, education and government, most all have a valid Mission Statement and if not they need to rewrite it or create one. In any management circle of learning, Mission statements are taught to become maps toward their ultimate goals in management.

    The U.S. has evoked many policy directions in world nations, which identifies with their role in spreading democracy around the world. As in todays' Politico Magazine, an article reports a citizen is being sent to prison for mocking the King's dog. In a democracy, especially in America, that could never be done to any citizen, but in other countries, it continues to happen with dictatorships and ego-maniac rulers. The U.S. State Departments Mission Statement that includes spreading democracy around the world focuses on many types of inhuman rules on people.

    Russia and China, the big ones, are changing because their citizens recognize some of America's brilliance in government. No, America is not without faults and has much to improve, but America does show the world we have many things to admire. Thus, America being admired does offer examples where world nations can adopt change. Smaller nations, such as Turkey in this thread have their issues and shows issues that make them not as reliable and trusting as others. Turkey has to change as all nations on this planet has to so that humanity can reach an ultimate goal of social reform.

    And I started working for a large corporation before there were mission/vision statements. They are business speak bullshit. Corporations have two "missions" only: maximize shareholder value which derives from the failed economics of Von Hayek and Freidman and profit/making money as shown by the Michigan Supreme Court case of Dodge v Ford Motor. The rest is rhetorical fluff which falls to the wayside if the first two considerations are under attack. I have worked for large and small corporations and the bottom line is ALWAYS the bottom line no matter the circumstances.

    as regards facts you wouldn't know one if it sucker punched you in the face. Let us look at advancing democracy around the world. Syria-failed state immersed in civil war. Libya-failed state. Iraq-failed state immersed in ongoing sectarian violence. Afganistan-failed state with unpopular central government in the sphere of influence of radicals from Pakistan. Egypt-borderline failed state. Yemen-failing state. Russia-autocratic kleptocracy with increasingly subverted freedom and rights. PRC-party-controlled state capitalism with curtailed freedom, increasing labor unrest, increasing inequality and response by the party with force. Don't let us forget Africa and the "not allowed to develop" world. And of course the FACTS and EVIDENCE of American actions throughout the so-called "American Century." Governments toppled, military adventurism, corporations using the state department and American military as their personal tools.

    State department mission statements mean nothing. Only actions show the mission of an organization. And the actions of the government stand in stark contrast to the state department's mission statement.

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    All this diplomacy in the world does not happen as quickly as it wants in fostering democracy. Their culture battles and centuries of history make impenetrable walls that need to come down for democracy to have an affect. Russia is a hard country with many retired battle worn patriots that maintain that hard line even to the young. I last visited Russia three years ago and those citizens I had an opportunity to speak with were cautious and fearful of their speak getting to the wrong people. However, they are optimistic that change is coming and the old hardliners have to go first, because the youthful movement is making changes in Russia. They just need to be cautious and it doesn't help that Putin rattles his sword at other nations in the world. When Putin does his bold moves, those old hardliners just beam with Russian pride of old Russia.

    In Africa is where America is making progress in spreading democracy. Many countries still have dictators and they embezzle any money we provide as aid, but the citizens know what is going on and those dictators will not last long. South Africa has been the greatest achievement to where the pressure of American diplomacy has removed the old elements of racism and slavery. Now South Africa is gaining momentum in becoming a world business partner. Nigeria is coming around also. I have friend that has his business arrangements in Nigeria and Ghana. He is soliciting more partnerships with other African nations and he brings his NEW friends to church often when he has them over to the U.S. One I met last month was a General in the Army of Nigeria, who I thought was very pleasant. It is right that the U.S. State Department works with American businesses to promote exchange and relations with other nations. That is part of their Mission Statement and it aids in fostering democracy in the world.

    Vietnam, a horrible war I was part of while younger, is now a nation continuing to change with democratic intentions. AS Vietnam or Southeast Asia is surrounded with other nations such as Cambodia and Thailand, they all see benefits in doing business with America. You can bet that the State Department is heavily engaged with promoting trade and fostering democracy in those nations of Southeast Asia. The recent TPP trade agreement, which I have a hard time supporting because of the first agreement arrangement did not handle the human trafficking issue as well as it should be is a U.S. State Department goal to foster trade with these countries and as it does promote democracy around the world.

    Now we come to the middle east and all those century old cultures and beliefs that America has to deal with. America has its diplomats hard at work even in dangerous conflict situation (like Benghazi), who make America's presence felt as providing aid, assistance, formulating trade, and promoting democracy. It is far from conceiving any progress currently, but as our courageous diplomats work to improve a war torn nation they have to endure corruption, threats, conflicts and getting involved with internal disputes between citizen groups. Someday progress will be made because there are people that see what America is trying to do with their nation and they do support it. I met a young man from Yemen, who was staying as a student with one of my friends. He has since gone back to his country and I often think about him as he is dealing with severe issues in his nation. He definitely enjoyed his stay in America and saw a lot he wished was in Yemen.

    Democracy takes time to evolve and break old barriers long in cultures and beliefs. It does have success and one day even Russia and China will benefit from Democracy.