Dutch Wrote: Sorry Jared; violating airspace is the same for a surveillance plane or a fighter jet; How are you going to check if it is fully loaded gunship or just a thing with wings at those altitudes?
Very easily. They are entirely different types of planes.
This is Russia's newest surveillance plane:
And this is a Russian fighter jet:
Countries can tell the size of a plane by a host of different technologies. Here's a good graphic explaining how its done:
Since the Russian plane was over land the primary radar will pick up its every move. The GPS on the plane would have warned the Russian pilots that they were nearing Turkish airspace. And the secondary radar would be able to decipher the difference between a war plane and a surveillance plane.
Not just that, but fighter jets fly astronomically faster than a surveillance plane. It's not hard at all to tell the difference between the two.
Dutch Wrote: If you cross the border by your motorcycle or car you still cross the border and have the same rights. Armed or not ; the Russians did not drop any bombs or shot anything down; so what side are you on? The police or the 'black" guy?
If the Russians attempted to cross the border by motorcycle then they would have been stopped at the border. The Russians didn't drop any bombs inside of Turkey, but they were dropping bombs woefully close to Turkey and an armed Russian fighter jet violated Turkish airspace, even after being repeatedly warned to get out.
And I'm on the side of practicality. My opinions on the Syrian war and the various nations fighting it out have nothing to do with my belief that Turkey has a right to protect it's sovereignty. If it was a spy plane then it wouldn't have been shot down. Since it was a war plane Turkey had every right to shoot it down.
Dutch Wrote: I guess you forget that stupid things like that will escalate into an even larger war. So you want that?
No, I don't want that. I also don't want Russia thinking they can fly their fighter jets inside of territory they aren't fighting in without permission from that government. If you give Russia an inch they think they can take a mile. They take the giving of an inch as a sign of weakness. This taught Putin that he went too far. And I know I'm right because Putin already tried to deescalate the situation by publicly saying he is not going to conduct military action against Turkey.
Dutch Wrote: Did you ever fly in a fighter? If you are in "action" you are very busy controlling the aircraft, especially in an close to border conflict, so it is pure logic that you are not concentrating on the border itself; compare it to an F18 with a turn circle of a kilometer at those speeds. Sorry the Russian planes as I know them, don't have all the technology as an updated F16. They are heavy and not so agile and need much more pilot attention than western planes.
Russian planes are a lot more sophisticated than you are giving them credit for. There is zero, I repeat ZERO, chance those pilots didn't know where they were.
Dutch Wrote: Regardless of all of what you wrote, the Turks are not holy either they are still very much divided themselves; they get their natural gas from Russia and about 2 million Russian tourists on their beach resorts.; so they are playing a dumb game.
I'm not saying that what Turkey did was smart, stupid, or anything in between. I'm saying they had a right to do it and that Russia would have done the same thing if an armed fighter jet was violating their territory.