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The GOP refugee plans

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  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Lately the GOP frontrunners are getting nuttier by the day especially related to Syrian/Iraqi refugees. They are acting like they themselves and their forefathers were not immigrants. In the meantime we and others are bombing the hell out of it in Iraq and Syria, so the refugee stream only becomes bigger and these GOP nuts then unload their caused refugee problem onto Europe. First Obama mentioned that the US would welcome 100,000; in the meantime reduced that to 10,000. Since we still don't know on how to solve the "terrorist" problem in a much larger area than Iraq and Syria alone and as well spent billions on throwing bombs it is asking for escalation without an end in sight; do we have enough bombs to flatten Libya Yemen, Nigeria, Algeria, Marocco, Mali, Sudan, Somalia, Iran, N. Korea etc. because we love wars so much and our lovely terrorists will flee to any of these countries so our "turkey" shoot should continue according to our 999 generals and the war industry billionaires. Thus the refugees will keep coming with eventually no place to go. What a world.
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    Ft.myers, FL
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    I'm glad to see no one replied. I just wonder; is it the ostrich sticking his ugly head in the sand. Since this is a very serious issue in the world; I guess we don't care, as long as we can eat our elaborate turkeys and decorate our houses.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    I definitely care about this.

    The GOP seems to forget that this entire nation is filled with immigrants. Anyone who isn't a Native American or the ancestor of a slave is a byproduct of immigration. The right doesn't seem to understand this fact, but when have facts ever meant anything to the Republican Party?

    However, it is important to understand that immigrant populations have never been welcomed with open arms in America. It does't matter if it was the Irish fleeing famine or the Jews fleeing Hitler. The Statue of Liberty may be have a poem saying that America welcomes everyone, but the truth of the matter is that America has resisted taking in refugees since we won the Revolutionary War.

    The sad thing is that those refugees who were let in eventually assimilate and their descendants come to think that America belongs only to them and no one else should be let in. It's been an endless cycle for over two hundred years.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    I definitely care about this.

    The GOP seems to forget that this entire nation is filled with immigrants. Anyone who isn't a Native American or the ancestor of a slave is a byproduct of immigration. The right doesn't seem to understand this fact, but when have facts ever meant anything to the Republican Party?

    However, it is important to understand that immigrant populations have never been welcomed with open arms in America. It does't matter if it was the Irish fleeing famine or the Jews fleeing Hitler. The Statue of Liberty may be have a poem saying that America welcomes everyone, but the truth of the matter is that America has resisted taking in refugees since we won the Revolutionary War.

    The sad thing is that those refugees who were let in eventually assimilate and their descendants come to think that America belongs only to them and no one else should be let in. It's been an endless cycle for over two hundred years.

    Thanks Jared, the point is that this happening is totally different than anything before. We are talking about millions of displaced people; it has not sunk here at all what that does to Western Europe; it does not even compare to the Jews fleeing Hitler. The camps in Jordan ( visited by our fantastic surgeon) are occupied by millions, let alone the millions which are now also coming from North Africa etc. The US does not seem to understand that their war actions have huge consequences in the future; it does not stop with Syria, that is the point. ISIS and others will move from country to country and create even more refugees. It is now already a huge burden on Europe and the stream does not stop in the near future, unless we stop bombing or have a "Marchall" like plan in place after the bombing stops..
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    I definitely care about this.

    The GOP seems to forget that this entire nation is filled with immigrants. Anyone who isn't a Native American or the ancestor of a slave is a byproduct of immigration. The right doesn't seem to understand this fact, but when have facts ever meant anything to the Republican Party?

    However, it is important to understand that immigrant populations have never been welcomed with open arms in America. It does't matter if it was the Irish fleeing famine or the Jews fleeing Hitler. The Statue of Liberty may be have a poem saying that America welcomes everyone, but the truth of the matter is that America has resisted taking in refugees since we won the Revolutionary War.

    The sad thing is that those refugees who were let in eventually assimilate and their descendants come to think that America belongs only to them and no one else should be let in. It's been an endless cycle for over two hundred years.

    Thanks Jared, the point is that this happening is totally different than anything before. We are talking about millions of displaced people; it has not sunk here at all what that does to Western Europe; it does not even compare to the Jews fleeing Hitler. The camps in Jordan ( visited by our fantastic surgeon) are occupied by millions, let alone the millions which are now also coming from North Africa etc. The US does not seem to understand that their war actions have huge consequences in the future; it does not stop with Syria, that is the point. ISIS and others will move from country to country and create even more refugees. It is now already a huge burden on Europe and the stream does not stop in the near future, unless we stop bombing or have a "Marchall" like plan in place after the bombing stops..
    Dutch, It is not for lack of interest but for recognizing the complexity of the situation we are in. There has to be a recognition for past actions, but then that calls for examining reparation. Acknowledging past actions would demand that the doors be thrown widely open for any and all. Looking at Hawaii, Indian lands and slavery et al indicates that there is no excuse for discretion involving our borders. A defense exhibited by the GOP appears to be that nothing in the past matters. But if you start looking at the apparently sovereign attitude of the powerful then that includes a history of universal and unilateral exploitation right up to and including the middle class of today. It is hard to define a protocol out of such a complicated mess. I can appreciate your ability to voice a responsible action . My problem is that I can't see how it should be applied. The debt is huge but then addressing that debt can be overwhelming. I can see internal problems arising because of the denial of that debt. There are those that think that any action at all is a violation of their rights, exhibited by the constant attack to do away with SS, Medicare and anything that remotely resembling a challenge to purely selfish attitudes. I think that any actions by the US should not be seen as generosity but a recognition of a responsibility. Bombing itself is an economic action utilizing mass amounts of expensive consumables to destroy areas rather than perpetrators. I tried to make that point when I talked about using laser weapons instead of bombing. The acceptance for bombing displays a disregard for innocents. A voice needs to be formed saying that the US has total regard for human rights and that accepting refugees is not a reaction but a responsibility. Generosity is not amplified by displaying a total disregard for oneself. Accepting refugees should not be quantitatively defined but no expense spared for security screening.