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    Chris Whipple, Politico Magazine, November 12, 2015: ‘The Attacks Will Be Spectacular’

    “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” The CIA’s famous Presidential Daily Brief, presented to George W. Bush on August 6, 2001, has always been Exhibit A in the case that his administration shrugged off warnings of an Al Qaeda attack. But months earlier, starting in the spring of 2001, the CIA repeatedly and urgently began to warn the White House that an attack was coming."

    By May of 2001, says Cofer Black, then chief of the CIA’s counterterrorism center, “it was very evident that we were going to be struck, we were gonna be struck hard and lots of Americans were going to die.” “There were real plots being manifested,” Cofer’s former boss, George Tenet, told me in his first interview in eight years. “The world felt like it was on the edge of eruption. In this time period of June and July, the threat continues to rise. Terrorists were disappearing [as if in hiding, in preparation for an attack]. Camps were closing. Threat reportings on the rise.” The crisis came to a head on July 10.

    Tenet vividly recalls the White House meeting with Rice and her team. (George W. Bush was on a trip to Boston.) “Rich [Blee] started by saying, ‘There will be significant terrorist attacks against the United States in the coming weeks or months. The attacks will be spectacular. They may be multiple. Al Qaeda's intention is the destruction of the United States.’" [Condi said:] ‘What do you think we need to do?’ Black responded by slamming his fist on the table, and saying, ‘We need to go on a wartime footing now!’”

    “What happened?” I ask Cofer Black. “Yeah. What did happen?” he replies. “To me it remains incomprehensible still. I mean, how is it that you could warn senior people so many times and nothing actually happened? It’s kind of like The Twilight Zone.

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    For many of us, we have long suspected and argued that the Bush administration seemed totally incompetent in the events leading up to 9/11. The above revelations by Cofer Black and George Tenet only reinforces what has been said by insiders and written about by many other journalists in the years since 9/11. Yes absolutely 9/11 could have been prevented...it was almost a no brainer that action had to be taken. But nothing happened. Why?

    That question has given rise to conspiracy theorists that the Bush administration wanted something to happen. His poll ratings were down and he needed something spectacular to happen that would make him look good. Or maybe the reason is revealed in a post 9/11 Meet the Press interview of Bush:

    "I'm a war president. I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with war on my mind. Again, I wish it wasn't true, but it is true. And the American people need to know they got a president who sees the world the way it is. And I see dangers that exist, and it's important for us to deal with them. – President George W. Bush, Meet the Press, February 9, 2004."

    If Americans only knew...especially the Republican kind. The Bush clan is now working tirelessly to rewrite the Bush legacy, and his approval rating is now up to 52 percent. Maybe in a few years Republicans will hold him in such high esteem he'll be up there with Ronald Reagan. Reagan's presidential legacy wasn't so hot either when he left office...but look at him now.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Chris Whipple, Politico Magazine, November 12, 2015: ‘The Attacks Will Be Spectacular’

    “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” The CIA’s famous Presidential Daily Brief, presented to George W. Bush on August 6, 2001, has always been Exhibit A in the case that his administration shrugged off warnings of an Al Qaeda attack. But months earlier, starting in the spring of 2001, the CIA repeatedly and urgently began to warn the White House that an attack was coming."

    By May of 2001, says Cofer Black, then chief of the CIA’s counterterrorism center, “it was very evident that we were going to be struck, we were gonna be struck hard and lots of Americans were going to die.” “There were real plots being manifested,” Cofer’s former boss, George Tenet, told me in his first interview in eight years. “The world felt like it was on the edge of eruption. In this time period of June and July, the threat continues to rise. Terrorists were disappearing [as if in hiding, in preparation for an attack]. Camps were closing. Threat reportings on the rise.” The crisis came to a head on July 10.

    Tenet vividly recalls the White House meeting with Rice and her team. (George W. Bush was on a trip to Boston.) “Rich [Blee] started by saying, ‘There will be significant terrorist attacks against the United States in the coming weeks or months. The attacks will be spectacular. They may be multiple. Al Qaeda's intention is the destruction of the United States.’" [Condi said:] ‘What do you think we need to do?’ Black responded by slamming his fist on the table, and saying, ‘We need to go on a wartime footing now!’”

    “What happened?” I ask Cofer Black. “Yeah. What did happen?” he replies. “To me it remains incomprehensible still. I mean, how is it that you could warn senior people so many times and nothing actually happened? It’s kind of like The Twilight Zone.

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    For many of us, we have long suspected and argued that the Bush administration seemed totally incompetent in the events leading up to 9/11. The above revelations by Cofer Black and George Tenet only reinforces what has been written by many other journalists in the years since 9/11. Yes absolutely 9/11 could have been prevented...it was almost a no brainer that action had to be taken. But nothing happened. Why?

    That question has given rise to conspiracy theorists that the Bush administration wanted something to happen. His poll ratings were down and he needed something spectacular to happen that would make him look good. Or maybe the reason is revealed in a post 9/11 Meet the Press interview of Bush:

    "I'm a war president. I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with war on my mind. Again, I wish it wasn't true, but it is true. And the American people need to know they got a president who sees the world the way it is. And I see dangers that exist, and it's important for us to deal with them. – President George W. Bush, Meet the Press, February 9, 2004."

    If Americans only knew...especially the Republican kind. The Bush clan is now working tirelessly to rewrite the Bush legacy, and his approval rating is now up to 52 percent. Maybe in a few years Republicans will hold him in such high esteem he'll be up there with Ronald Reagan. Reagan's presidential legacy wasn't so hot either when he left office...but look at him now.

    Like I said many times this and all the things which happened afterwards could have been prevented if we would have given attention to our foreign policies, which only enriched the leaders but made poor even poorer in the middle east and elsewhere. Then automatically you get an uprising and revenge, especially if you throw in religion as a tool to get it your way. Bush as well Clinton were to dumb to realize such; instead feed the poor in those countries give them education and a job instead of having the only intention to get their resources and bribe people for it. The idiot Trump said; We should have taken all their oil etc. in Iraq That is typical; such creates a lot of friends for sure. Schmidt, if you look at all the Carson subjects we wrote about, then this country is doomed if any of these evangelical idiots is elected..
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote:

    Chris Whipple, Politico Magazine, November 12, 2015: ‘The Attacks Will Be Spectacular’

    “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” The CIA’s famous Presidential Daily Brief, presented to George W. Bush on August 6, 2001, has always been Exhibit A in the case that his administration shrugged off warnings of an Al Qaeda attack. But months earlier, starting in the spring of 2001, the CIA repeatedly and urgently began to warn the White House that an attack was coming."

    By May of 2001, says Cofer Black, then chief of the CIA’s counterterrorism center, “it was very evident that we were going to be struck, we were gonna be struck hard and lots of Americans were going to die.” “There were real plots being manifested,” Cofer’s former boss, George Tenet, told me in his first interview in eight years. “The world felt like it was on the edge of eruption. In this time period of June and July, the threat continues to rise. Terrorists were disappearing [as if in hiding, in preparation for an attack]. Camps were closing. Threat reportings on the rise.” The crisis came to a head on July 10.

    Tenet vividly recalls the White House meeting with Rice and her team. (George W. Bush was on a trip to Boston.) “Rich [Blee] started by saying, ‘There will be significant terrorist attacks against the United States in the coming weeks or months. The attacks will be spectacular. They may be multiple. Al Qaeda's intention is the destruction of the United States.’" [Condi said:] ‘What do you think we need to do?’ Black responded by slamming his fist on the table, and saying, ‘We need to go on a wartime footing now!’”

    “What happened?” I ask Cofer Black. “Yeah. What did happen?” he replies. “To me it remains incomprehensible still. I mean, how is it that you could warn senior people so many times and nothing actually happened? It’s kind of like The Twilight Zone.

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    For many of us, we have long suspected and argued that the Bush administration seemed totally incompetent in the events leading up to 9/11. The above revelations by Cofer Black and George Tenet only reinforces what has been written by many other journalists in the years since 9/11. Yes absolutely 9/11 could have been prevented...it was almost a no brainer that action had to be taken. But nothing happened. Why?

    That question has given rise to conspiracy theorists that the Bush administration wanted something to happen. His poll ratings were down and he needed something spectacular to happen that would make him look good. Or maybe the reason is revealed in a post 9/11 Meet the Press interview of Bush:

    "I'm a war president. I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with war on my mind. Again, I wish it wasn't true, but it is true. And the American people need to know they got a president who sees the world the way it is. And I see dangers that exist, and it's important for us to deal with them. – President George W. Bush, Meet the Press, February 9, 2004."

    If Americans only knew...especially the Republican kind. The Bush clan is now working tirelessly to rewrite the Bush legacy, and his approval rating is now up to 52 percent. Maybe in a few years Republicans will hold him in such high esteem he'll be up there with Ronald Reagan. Reagan's presidential legacy wasn't so hot either when he left office...but look at him now.

    Like I said many times this and all the things which happened afterwards could have been prevented if we would have given attention to our foreign policies, which only enriched the leaders but made poor even poorer in the middle east and elsewhere. Then automatically you get an uprising and revenge, especially if you throw in religion as a tool to get it your way. Bush as well Clinton were to dumb to realize such; instead feed the poor in those countries give them education and a job instead of having the only intention to get their resources and bribe people for it. The idiot Trump said; We should have taken all their oil etc. in Iraq That is typical; such creates a lot of friends for sure. Schmidt, if you look at all the Carson subjects we wrote about, then this country is doomed if any of these evangelical idiots is elected..
    The poor in those countries are now the poor in our country. Education is now another way to profit from our poor and graduate them into poverty. Is this just a radical rant or is it an alert ?
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote:

    Chris Whipple, Politico Magazine, November 12, 2015: ‘The Attacks Will Be Spectacular’

    “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.” The CIA’s famous Presidential Daily Brief, presented to George W. Bush on August 6, 2001, has always been Exhibit A in the case that his administration shrugged off warnings of an Al Qaeda attack. But months earlier, starting in the spring of 2001, the CIA repeatedly and urgently began to warn the White House that an attack was coming."

    By May of 2001, says Cofer Black, then chief of the CIA’s counterterrorism center, “it was very evident that we were going to be struck, we were gonna be struck hard and lots of Americans were going to die.” “There were real plots being manifested,” Cofer’s former boss, George Tenet, told me in his first interview in eight years. “The world felt like it was on the edge of eruption. In this time period of June and July, the threat continues to rise. Terrorists were disappearing [as if in hiding, in preparation for an attack]. Camps were closing. Threat reportings on the rise.” The crisis came to a head on July 10.

    Tenet vividly recalls the White House meeting with Rice and her team. (George W. Bush was on a trip to Boston.) “Rich [Blee] started by saying, ‘There will be significant terrorist attacks against the United States in the coming weeks or months. The attacks will be spectacular. They may be multiple. Al Qaeda's intention is the destruction of the United States.’" [Condi said:] ‘What do you think we need to do?’ Black responded by slamming his fist on the table, and saying, ‘We need to go on a wartime footing now!’”

    “What happened?” I ask Cofer Black. “Yeah. What did happen?” he replies. “To me it remains incomprehensible still. I mean, how is it that you could warn senior people so many times and nothing actually happened? It’s kind of like The Twilight Zone.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------

    For many of us, we have long suspected and argued that the Bush administration seemed totally incompetent in the events leading up to 9/11. The above revelations by Cofer Black and George Tenet only reinforces what has been written by many other journalists in the years since 9/11. Yes absolutely 9/11 could have been prevented...it was almost a no brainer that action had to be taken. But nothing happened. Why?

    That question has given rise to conspiracy theorists that the Bush administration wanted something to happen. His poll ratings were down and he needed something spectacular to happen that would make him look good. Or maybe the reason is revealed in a post 9/11 Meet the Press interview of Bush:

    "I'm a war president. I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with war on my mind. Again, I wish it wasn't true, but it is true. And the American people need to know they got a president who sees the world the way it is. And I see dangers that exist, and it's important for us to deal with them. – President George W. Bush, Meet the Press, February 9, 2004."

    If Americans only knew...especially the Republican kind. The Bush clan is now working tirelessly to rewrite the Bush legacy, and his approval rating is now up to 52 percent. Maybe in a few years Republicans will hold him in such high esteem he'll be up there with Ronald Reagan. Reagan's presidential legacy wasn't so hot either when he left office...but look at him now.

    Like I said many times this and all the things which happened afterwards could have been prevented if we would have given attention to our foreign policies, which only enriched the leaders but made poor even poorer in the middle east and elsewhere. Then automatically you get an uprising and revenge, especially if you throw in religion as a tool to get it your way. Bush as well Clinton were to dumb to realize such; instead feed the poor in those countries give them education and a job instead of having the only intention to get their resources and bribe people for it. The idiot Trump said; We should have taken all their oil etc. in Iraq That is typical; such creates a lot of friends for sure. Schmidt, if you look at all the Carson subjects we wrote about, then this country is doomed if any of these evangelical idiots is elected..
    The poor in those countries are now the poor in our country. Education is now another way to profit from our poor and graduate them into poverty. Is this just a radical rant or is it an alert ?
    Chet, Yes you are right; if education is not directed in the right way and people here are only indoctrinated by the media, church and military, yes then this country is doomed. Indeed there is no money for the poor let alone 50 thousands of Veterans who are homeless, because everything goes to the war effort to make a few of the 1% even richer.
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    We have lots of threads and posts in this website discussing inequality and the poor. I was hoping to make this thread more about the events leading up to 9/11. Contrary to what Jeb says, Bush did not keep us safe. When one looks at the speeches made by Osama bin Laden after 9/11 the "writing on the wall" is plain to see. Nevertheless, the internet has no shortage of Monday morning quarterbacks cherry picking "one play" that caused 9/11. So how about this:

    CBS News, May 16, 2008: Bin Laden: Palestinian Cause Prompted 9/11

    "The Palestinian cause has been the main factor that, since my early childhood, fueled my desire, and that of the 19 freemen (Sept. 11 bombers), to stand by the oppressed, and punish the oppressive Jews and their allies," the al Qaeda chief said. "We shall continue the fight, Allah willing, against the Israelis and their allies, in order to pursue justice for the oppressed, and we shall not give up one inch of Palestine, as long as there is still a single true Muslim alive." -- Osama bin Laden

    The Israel treatment of Palestinians was hardly mentioned in the US media in the months following the attack as one of the reasons for the attack. Bush pushed the narrative that they "hate our freedom" and the media sucked that up. The born again Christian "war president" got his way on both accounts.

    The events leading to the attacks in Paris should not be hidden from public scrutiny. Passions are running high right now, but critical thinking is more important as we dissect the reasons in the months ahead.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    We have lots of threads and posts in this website discussing inequality and the poor. I was hoping to make this thread more about the events leading up to 9/11. Contrary to what Jeb says, Bush did not keep us safe. When one looks at the speeches made by Osama bin Laden after 9/11 the "writing on the wall" is plain to see. Nevertheless, the internet has no shortage of Monday morning quarterbacks cherry picking "one play" that caused 9/11. So how about this:

    CBS News, May 16, 2008: Bin Laden: Palestinian Cause Prompted 9/11

    "The Palestinian cause has been the main factor that, since my early childhood, fueled my desire, and that of the 19 freemen (Sept. 11 bombers), to stand by the oppressed, and punish the oppressive Jews and their allies," the al Qaeda chief said. "We shall continue the fight, Allah willing, against the Israelis and their allies, in order to pursue justice for the oppressed, and we shall not give up one inch of Palestine, as long as there is still a single true Muslim alive." -- Osama bin Laden

    The Israel treatment of Palestinians was hardly mentioned in the US media in the months following the attack as one of the reasons for the attack. Bush pushed the narrative that they "hate our freedom" and the media sucked that up. The born again Christian "war president" got his way on both accounts.

    The events leading to the attacks in Paris should not be hidden from public scrutiny. Passions are running high right now, but critical thinking is more important as we dissect the reasons in the months ahead.

    Schmidt, you look at it the right way indeed the cause of our present situation goes way back. My guess is that through capitalism and "greed" we thought after WWII that we were the hero's and could do in the world whatever we wanted to do. This mentality also created Israel, what already showed how naïve we were about the consequences to create that state on the land of the Palestines. Then we stuck our noses into Korea, Vietnam (also an enormous success) then Cuba and so on.

    In the meantime with our handouts to corrupt leaders the population in those lands hated our guts because they saw us as only robbing their resources but did not give anything in return to the people itself.

    Then due to our own doing certain terrorist groups started up to fight the capitalistic christian "greed" ask Bin Laden.

    9/11 came about, which then created the vicious circle of revenge of which we are still dealing with today. Our revenge did cost trillions as well 8000 lives or more of our soldiers; a hell of a lot more than the lives and cost of 9/11; thus awful smart. What did we get back for that? Only more enemy's and the creation of ISIS and other terror groups. I hate to call out all the countries where we use our drones right now. These countries will be the next hide out for ISIS ; so to wipe them out, like Trump and Huckabee and our generals want will be like fly swatting in a swamp; you never get them all, because we ourselves create new heavens for them, by our own actions around the world.

    14 years later we have still not learned and just expanded our stupidity and bombed Libya yesterday; so that will create the next revenge; so we are now at war with 4 countries; while the thing started with only a small group of terrorists in Afghanistan; what is wrong with this picture? REVENGE never ever, already since a million years ago, never brought a solution to any dispute. This country is so terrible naïve, it is pathetic. It is now way too late to turn the tide, we are the cause and we have to solve it by changing our ways and stop meddling in this world and stop acting as we are God's sent blessed people. ISIS did not fall out of the blue sky like Jesus did in 1800 according to Carson; no this time we were its creator.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    We have lots of threads and posts in this website discussing inequality and the poor. I was hoping to make this thread more about the events leading up to 9/11. Contrary to what Jeb says, Bush did not keep us safe. When one looks at the speeches made by Osama bin Laden after 9/11 the "writing on the wall" is plain to see. Nevertheless, the internet has no shortage of Monday morning quarterbacks cherry picking "one play" that caused 9/11. So how about this:

    CBS News, May 16, 2008: Bin Laden: Palestinian Cause Prompted 9/11

    "The Palestinian cause has been the main factor that, since my early childhood, fueled my desire, and that of the 19 freemen (Sept. 11 bombers), to stand by the oppressed, and punish the oppressive Jews and their allies," the al Qaeda chief said. "We shall continue the fight, Allah willing, against the Israelis and their allies, in order to pursue justice for the oppressed, and we shall not give up one inch of Palestine, as long as there is still a single true Muslim alive." -- Osama bin Laden

    The Israel treatment of Palestinians was hardly mentioned in the US media in the months following the attack as one of the reasons for the attack. Bush pushed the narrative that they "hate our freedom" and the media sucked that up. The born again Christian "war president" got his way on both accounts.

    The events leading to the attacks in Paris should not be hidden from public scrutiny. Passions are running high right now, but critical thinking is more important as we dissect the reasons in the months ahead.

    Schmidt, while I understand your position re: 9/11 I feel that inequality played a roll. Many things contributed to the rise of the fatally flawed global war on terror which is physically impossible. George bush's rationales were for domestic consumption. That they were broadcast to the world in reality was secondary. It was necessary to couch his administration's actions in terms that aligned with national mythology. I recall churchill's comment that jaw-jaw is better than war-war. In the case of the self-defeating gwot I take this in the light of sun-tzu's admonition to understand your opponent. This includes human as well as electronic intel. It means utilizing sociological tools, psychological tools, political economic analysis and any other tool available to reveal the rationales that drive those who commit violent political acts. As an example how many of isil are ideologically driven and how many are driven by other reasons such as economics (food, lack of income). Of course the right wing dismissed such analysis as being touchy-feely and supplying psychologists to terrorists. This is blatant ridiculous nonsense as well as poor military thinking. But it made good sound bites in an atmosphere of "you're either for us or for the terrorists."

    As for the question of prevention of 9/11 that is more difficult. It may not have been preventable but we will never know because the opportunity was ignored by bush/Cheney much to the detriment of people here and around the world.

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    After after the Cold War ended I wrote letters to first Bush and then Clinton about not wasting the peace bonus. I especially implored H to not dismantle the army but to repurpose it. I said that was a huge working organization that could not be readily or easily activated. H spent the peace bonus, I wrote Clinton also but by that time it was already too late . I don't even remember what I wrote to Clinton. But if H would have maintained the army, history would have been better off. I don't think the world would have deteriorated into the present extent or depth of terrorism .
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    Some don't seem to realize this, but one main reason Bush Jr "ignored" warnings of an attack by Al Quaeda, is that he knew that Al Quaeda was just a "set up" group put together by his father (BUSH Senior), when head of the CIA. So he knew his daddy would tell him if there was "really" a threat of invasion. If you doubt this, I will look up a youtube video of Hillary Clinton as she tells us that the USA trained Al Quaeda to fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan, & they were under our own control. Some sources even say that Osama bin Laden's family invested in Harken Energy & Arbusto Oil, (in Texas) owned by the Bush family. (Some strange bedfellows going on here). The Republican handbook PNAC (New American Century) said they were going to invade at least 7 nations to steal their oil. They had it planned 15 years in advance. In order to get the permission to invade IRAQ to steal their oil, they needed a Pearl Harbor type incident, & VOILA, we had a weird attack on the Twin Towers. One of George Jr's brothers was in charge of "security" for that bldg, so could easily manage that event so things would go according to Hoyle. For instance, about 35,000 employees in the WTC did not go to work, that day. Why? They had been warned. And you know Al Quaeda terrorists are not going to "warn" their intended victims. This whole thing was a huge set up, intended for one reason only. To create a "reason" for the USA to invade & bomb IRAQ & steal their oil.
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    Sorry, I had to go "look up" this video of Hillary Clinton, where she tells Al Quaeda was created by the (US) - CIA & they

    were first used in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets, Under Reagan, (It tells all in the video spoken by Hillary).

    Then it appears Al Quaeda was fighting in IRAQ, working alongside Saddam Hussein's troops. Frankly, I just can't keep track of all these convoluted foreign alliances. It gives me a headache. Maybe you can explain it better than I can : )

    Here is the Hillary Clinton "video" : youtu.be/PJLR1LhxiN0

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    Nine Eleven was a tragic day of events which caused many to die. We still remember September Eleventh 2001 from the beacons on that day and the memorial on the exact same spot. The black smoke raised from the buildings but you could see it from far away in Connecticut and states surrounding. This day is in many people's hearts and familys were broken from Bin Ladens horrible attack. This attack was not only produced by him but was by ISIS. The planes were hijacked by terrorists and when people finnaly saw this they tried to stop them. They were considered heroes. They all died though, nothing would stop that. We still remember that horrible day on that random time. A lot of people were shocked from this suicide bombing. Everyone was afraid because they didn't know what was going on. There were news reports and after the first tower was hit, ten minutes later the other was hit. That was the tragic story of September Eleventh 2001.

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    Nine Eleven was a tragic day of events which caused many to die. We still remember September Eleventh 2001 from the beacons on that day and the memorial on the exact same spot. The black smoke raised from the buildings but you could see it from far away in Connecticut and states surrounding. This day is in many people's hearts and familys were broken from Bin Ladens horrible attack. This attack was not only produced by him but was by ISIS. The planes were hijacked by terrorists and when people finnaly saw this they tried to stop them. They were considered heroes. They all died though, nothing would stop that. We still remember that horrible day on that random time. A lot of people were shocked from this suicide bombing. Everyone was afraid because they didn't know what was going on. There were news reports and after the first tower was hit, ten minutes later the other was hit. That was the tragic story of September Eleventh 2001.

    Butter mutter; everyone can write what happened; sorry that was not the subject. The subject was what lead to it !!

    Just the simple answer is our "behavior" in the world ; we only cared for corrupt leaders and made them rich; in the meantime the people of those countries starved but we stole/bribed them out of their resources without doing anything for those poor people. It is our "greed" , "capitalism" and "arrogance" as well refusal to accept that other thinking people exist besides the one's on our "island" called the USA. We still have not learned from that.

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    buttermcbutter -- Yes we all agree that 9/11 was a tragic event. My point in highlighting the "Bush legacy" on 9/11 is how the news media over time can remold ones thinking. People's minds get fuzzy about events in the past. It's a part of human behavior. My recollection of events 10-15 years ago or just last year get a bit muddled, particularly at my age (69).

    With the advent of the internet and the polarization of American political beliefs, one doesn't have to even be exposed or think critically to what the "other" is saying. People who regularly tune in Fox News or listen to Rush Limbaugh, may as well live in an alternative universe. They cannot cope with thinking critically about the events in the world. They can only regurgitate what they have heard in their sources of "news" in a Pavlovian reflexive manner. They cannot articulate why they believe what they believe...they just know it.

    So now George Bush's approval ratings are above those of President Obama's. I am astounded, but I certainly understand why. The American psyche is less about introspective critical thought (liberal thinking) and more about lazy obedience (conservative thinking) to sound bites repeated over and over again on Fox News. It is brain washing of sorts. Conservative media have been remaking the Bush legacy for years. They still have a way to go before he is elevated to a level of "Reagan Sainthood".

    And yes 9/11 could have been prevented, and George Bush did not keep us safe.

    Welcome to the Democratic Hub. In this website you will largely find us liberals engaging in critical thought and often disagreeing with each other on the hot button issues of the day. If you look at conservative websites you'll find an echo chamber of a lot of Obama bashing and Republican (Fox News) talking points that lack any semblance of factuality or intellectual discourse. I go into them occasionally and I seldom see anything new. Same ole...same ole.

    We hope you'll browse our website and find something here that stimulates your mind enough to stay and contribute your ideas.

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    eternal flame Wrote:

    Sorry, I had to go "look up" this video of Hillary Clinton, where she tells Al Quaeda was created by the (US) - CIA & they

    were first used in Afghanistan to fight the Soviets, Under Reagan, (It tells all in the video spoken by Hillary).

    Then it appears Al Quaeda was fighting in IRAQ, working alongside Saddam Hussein's troops. Frankly, I just can't keep track of all these convoluted foreign alliances. It gives me a headache. Maybe you can explain it better than I can : )

    Here is the Hillary Clinton "video" : youtu.be/PJLR1LhxiN0

    Follow the money. That has been the basis of our foreign policy.
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    We have lots of threads and posts in this website discussing inequality and the poor. I was hoping to make this thread more about the events leading up to 9/11. Contrary to what Jeb says, Bush did not keep us safe. When one looks at the speeches made by Osama bin Laden after 9/11 the "writing on the wall" is plain to see. Nevertheless, the internet has no shortage of Monday morning quarterbacks cherry picking "one play" that caused 9/11. So how about this:

    CBS News, May 16, 2008: Bin Laden: Palestinian Cause Prompted 9/11

    "The Palestinian cause has been the main factor that, since my early childhood, fueled my desire, and that of the 19 freemen (Sept. 11 bombers), to stand by the oppressed, and punish the oppressive Jews and their allies," the al Qaeda chief said. "We shall continue the fight, Allah willing, against the Israelis and their allies, in order to pursue justice for the oppressed, and we shall not give up one inch of Palestine, as long as there is still a single true Muslim alive." -- Osama bin Laden

    The Israel treatment of Palestinians was hardly mentioned in the US media in the months following the attack as one of the reasons for the attack. Bush pushed the narrative that they "hate our freedom" and the media sucked that up. The born again Christian "war president" got his way on both accounts.

    The events leading to the attacks in Paris should not be hidden from public scrutiny. Passions are running high right now, but critical thinking is more important as we dissect the reasons in the months ahead.

    Schmidt, The conditions that create inequality and the poor are the same conditions that precipitate most of the violence in the world. Our support, changing of support, creation and changes of governments can all be traced back to special interests. I doubt that ISIS would exist if violations of human rights in order to realize profits did not take place. Exacerbating the situation is the extreme right denegrating any effort to improve conditions promoting the creation of jobs.