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A321 crash in Egypt/Siniai

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  • Dutch
    2015-10-31 09:16:23 PM
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    ISIS claims that they did it; officials are kind of denying that; however looking at the crash site; it looks very similar to the Malaysian crash in the Ukraine ; if so then likely an bomb on board. I would not surprise me if that is the case since in Egypt the TSA is not as stringent as here. I know the Airbus quite well the structure is very sound and well built; so structural failure is doubtful ; if it disintegrated at 32,000 Ft it must have been some other "force" which did it; but we'll wait and see what the experts come up with.
  • Schmidt
    2015-10-31 11:46:20 PM
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    This short note was amongst all the news items in Twitter:

    "An Egyptian aviation official says the pilot had reported technical difficulties before losing contact with air traffic controllers, the Associated Press reports. Ayman al-Muqadem, a member of the Aviation Incidents Committee, said the pilot had reported his intention to attempt to land at the nearest airport."

    If true, it was probably not a bomb.

  • Schmidt
    2015-11-01 08:09:47 AM
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    Having made a sharp turn diverting from it's planned course due to the emergency, could it have been then mistakenly shot down by a missile from "another country", much like the Malaysian aircraft was shot down over the Ukraine? ISIS is not said to have that capability.
  • Dutch
    2015-11-01 09:00:11 AM
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    This short note was amongst all the news items in Twitter:

    "An Egyptian aviation official says the pilot had reported technical difficulties before losing contact with air traffic controllers, the Associated Press reports. Ayman al-Muqadem, a member of the Aviation Incidents Committee, said the pilot had reported his intention to attempt to land at the nearest airport."

    If true, it was probably not a bomb.

    Now the Egyptian authorities deny that; they say no distress call or anything "technical" related from the pilots. Don't forget there were Ukrainians as well Russians on board; some Ukrainians hate the Russians. Nowadays with "plastic" explosives they are not noticed at screening; so we await what the boxes will say. But it is suspicious, because the "ground" pattern shows the whole plane came apart at high altitude; otherwise much bigger sections would be in a more confined area not miles apart if just a structural failure..
  • Chet Ruminski
    2015-11-01 05:20:56 PM
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    Reported that Russia brought air to air and surface to air offensive weapons to the area. Brings up questions: Did Russia have knowledge of hostile threats, would a group bring down the plane to draw Russia into irrational actions , fighting forces are not reported to have high altitude offensive capability, no explanation for auto disintegration , Isis claiming responsibility does not at first look to make sense. Large number of powerful nations displaying willingness to escalate does not make sense. Multiple irrational random events is more typical of collusion. Out of nowhere seemingly without explanation we are in one of the most potentially dangerous escalating conditions scenarios .
  • Dutch
    2015-11-01 09:36:15 PM
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    Knowing the A320/21 I've seen the test they do on the fuselage; it uses a hell of lot less rivets like older planes did and is a more laminated glued unit tested for very high altitudes. I doubt very much looking at the debris that the fuselage broke in two as someone said. I still guess there must have been a tremendous force to create the rubble I saw as well the crash debris area of at least 6 miles around. Knowing Egypt a bit, I doubt if any ground crew servicing the aircraft are as fully screened as here; while servicing the aircraft it looks easy to me to put a package in the hold with explosives equipped with a pressure sensor or timer. To me it looks like that is the most possible cause.
  • Dutch
    2015-11-05 08:45:46 AM
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    The US intelligence finally admits what I said all along. The thing what is not understood in this country especially on CNN that games are being played over dead people. Like the Egyptians who try to get away from the blame and as a matter of fact "protect" their fellow Muslims (ISIS) while they probably screwed up by allowing a bomb to be placed on the aircraft. That is why they keep saying "a structural failure"; I don't want to say they "helped" but closed their eyes on purpose. That CNN falls for such lies is pathetic. ISIS wanted to get back at the Russians and had an easy task doing it via Egypt.
  • Schmidt
    2015-11-05 09:20:07 AM
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    Yes Dutch, you were right. The British and Americans must have some intelligence sources about a bomb that they cannot disclose. For the Brits to take unilateral action to cancel all flights to Sharm el-Sheikh and stranding 20,000 of their citizens in that city, it must have been a strong source. Or maybe it was leaked that ISIL was hoping for a 2-fer...a British jet following the Russian jet. Now that would have been a big propaganda event for ISIL.
  • Dutch
    2015-11-05 09:32:18 AM
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    Schmidt Wrote: Yes Dutch, you were right. The British and Americans must have some intelligence sources about a bomb that they cannot disclose. For the Brits to take unilateral action to cancel all flights to Sharm el-Sheikh and stranding 20,000 of their citizens in that city, it must have been a strong source. Or maybe it was leaked that ISIL was hoping for a 2-fer...a British jet following the Russian jet. Now that would have been a big propaganda event for ISIL.
    Also scrapnel pieces were found in several bodies returned to Russia; as reported by the Dutch media. It is obvious that Russia as well Egypt are playing games with facts.
  • Schmidt
    2015-11-05 09:57:53 AM
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    It's understandable that Russia would want to downplay any ISIL attack on a Russian commercial airliner as their citizens might start questioning why they are doing what they are doing in Syria. Maybe. Or alternatively if Putin can couch this right in the media, his citizens will want revenge and will support Putin going "all out" against ISIL. Maybe not. It's hard to know which way Putin will blow the political winds in Russia. Whatever happens it will be because Putin decided it that way.

    The Egyptians, of course, depend heavily on tourism, and they would not want it known that weakness in their security resulted in the bombing.

  • Dutch
    2015-11-05 10:04:25 AM
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    It's understandable that Russia would want to downplay any ISIL attack on a Russian commercial airliner as their citizens might start questioning why they are doing what they are doing in Syria. Maybe. Or alternatively if Putin can couch this right in the media, his citizens will want revenge and will support Putin going "all out" against ISIL. Maybe not. It's hard to know which way Putin will blow the political winds in Russia. Whatever happens it will be because Putin decided it that way.

    The Egyptians, of course, depend heavily on tourism, and they would not want it known that weakness in their security resulted in the bombing.

    On your last line you forgot that Egypt has a lot of ISIS supporters in their country; also we still have troops in the Sinai Desert, which they don't like.
  • TJ
    2015-11-05 11:10:29 AM
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    Call me paranoid but in situations like this, I tend to think about more nefarious scenarios. Like the US not being happy about being up staged in Syria so we cause a distraction.... In a James Bond kind of way, perhaps not all actions are overt. There's talk about the Muslim Brotherhood have skilled talent in Egypt with no working agenda. Time will tell.
  • Dutch
    2015-11-05 01:39:14 PM
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    I think people forget that it is very easy to place a bomb on an aircraft; there are plenty of service people around an aircraft to service or load or inspect or fuel etc. I used to have a pass for Schiphol airport; I was allowed to be everywhere also on the aircraft with or without passengers. It is easy to steal such pass; so all the TSA work is mostly done on the passenger side but on the service side just show your pass. I guess in Egypt they don't pay too much and qualification/background checks could be "bought" via via. Right now "politics" are being played by Egypt as well Russia. Since the Egyptians are in charge of the investigation, it is even possible that their government told the investigators to destroy "bomb"evidence in order to get it their way. In those countries nothing is honest.
  • Dutch
    2015-11-07 08:42:23 AM
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    Egypt due to their "cover up" will be loosing all their tourists, there were at least 50 thousand Russians having a vacation, let alone all the tourists who visit the pyramids. Anyway it should be a warning in all those Muslim countries that airports there are no longer safe because of possible "insider" jobs. It is very easy to drop a "package" over the airport fence and gets picked up by an "paid" individual with an pass. A bomb the size of a cigarette package is sufficient, if you attach it to a fuel line or other critical part in the aircraft, it does not take much. Also new plastic explosives are on the market which do not leave any residue.

    Not a very positive story but this will impact civil aviation in a big way.

  • Dutch
    2015-11-11 06:54:07 PM
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    The latest; the idiots in this country want to sent Pentagon people to the crash site; what is the matter with our meddling all over? It is none of our business!!! Only Egypt, Russia, and France ( the builder of the plane)should be allowed. what business is it of the US army to be involved?????? What the hell they know about an Airbus A321???? If I was the Russians I would kick them out or not let them have access. who the hell we think we are? This will only again irritate the Russians the same as we do by increasing our troops in Europe without cause as well irritate the Chinese, because they built some islands in the China sea, which we find inappropriate; because the US rules and dictates who can use the sea?; wow, we are getting crazier by the day. Policeman of the world; just pull the trigger on the whole world that is the training. SICK!!
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