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CNBC Republican Debate...anything of substance?

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    I watched the CNBC Republican debate tonight with eleven people on stage. I thought 10 of them (all except Carson) came across as very angry and hostile. Of course Hillary Clinton was singled out as the primary target for their lies and vitriol, but the hostility and anger against the moderators, the media and especially the federal government was also highly evident. I just don't understand why they HATE our government so much. I suppose it sells to their base.

    Carly again did her "hate Hillary" act....that's become her stump speech. It certainly works for her as some kind of therapeutic fix. Her hate for Hillary is really evident. You can see it in her eyes and the tone of her voice. Wow.

    Otherwise nothing of substance...

  • Center Left
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    Yes they all are attacking Hillary. That is great because it shows that they are scared. I agree that there was tension and it was evident that they are feeling the pressure. That's not even mentioning the lower tier who didn't make the main stage. There must come a time where it becomes apparent that money is being wasted. At what point do the numbers get reduced ? I thought the candidates were attacking the moderators. A scroll at the bottom of the screen noted that their anti-media attitudes were similar to what Nixon did. I think the bottom 4 or 5 should be encouraged to drop out. There would still be more candidates than needed after a reduction.
  • Liberal
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    I didn't even bother to watch these disgusting clowns shoot their mouths off. There is nothing they have to say that is either honest, truthful, factual or realistic. They are all about hate and power over the poor and middle class. They are all nothing more than puppets for the 1% and their supporters are uniformed, low information fools.

    why even bother. I watched PBS insteadWink

  • Liberal
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    Don't know don't know why Mr. Smiley Face cane out so big, but maybe it's a sign from Jesus?
  • Independent
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    pr Wrote: Don't know don't know why Mr. Smiley Face cane out so big, but maybe it's a sign from Jesus?
    I did n't know Jesus was that ugly; or is it Fiorina's make up which was running from her face?
  • Independent
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    I was kind of amazed that they all played the game that they cared so much for the lower classes etc. Also Christy came with the stupid remark that ISIS attacked us. They never did; we did. Just a bunch of naïve hypocrites. Everyone had different tax proposals; that shows that if that ever is tabled in the Government it will be a total disaster. What a country, no wonder everyone is buying guns.
  • Independent
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    As a further comment, I'm amazed that no one both Dem's and GOP touches the following properly and compare such with other country's which are already doing such for ages:

    1) Stop meddling in the world and wanting it only our arrogant way as well expanding our bases and military presence.

    2) For health plans look around , which countries have the best, including full control of pricing of drugs and services, which is less costly than inventing a "new" system which only makes some people richer.

    3) Have an sufficient army which defends your country, but not attack others who never attacked you

    4) Have an progressive tax system which goes from "0" to 70% like they do in Europe.

    5) Get rid of the "second" Amendment or rewrite it, to make it fit modern times and then enforce strict gun control.

    6) Get rid of the "power blocks"(or diminish their power) as well "lobbyists" and "money" in elections ( Super Pac's etc.)

    7) Think about the "poor" world wide, instead of only wanting to deal and hand out money to the leaders in those countries only.

    8) Stop spending money to just to create an "arms" race and wasting trillions on war equipment destined for WWIII ( no one wants to invade this country; the only thing we have to offer is trillions of debt and plenty of rednecks with lots of guns)

    9) Don't be the arrogant country who seldom wants to receive advise from other countries who have certain things better under control, like healthcare or infrastructure etc.

    10) Curb the "lawyer" culture; the US has 90% of all lawyers in the world. Write laws instead which are clear cut and understandable instead; it even influences voting because of "lawyer" written amendments on the ballots which no one can un-cipher..

    11) Abortions? no government meddling; the mother should decide; the rich people will get abortions whenever they want them anyway outside the country etc. The poor will have to suffer with a deformed or unwanted un-loved kid; who likely grows up as a criminal or druggy.

    There are many more issues which could benefit the country; but I stop for now because none of the candidates will have anything like the above in their agenda's anyway.

  • Democrat
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    Dutch's issues that should be entertained by government action, is extremely ageless. America would take centuries of evolution to just create committees to study the options. As for the Republican debate, I couldn't get myself to watch a circus of ill mindless people berate the Democrats. So, I enjoyed the World Series...............Go Royals!
  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Dutch's issues that should be entertained by government action, is extremely ageless. America would take centuries of evolution to just create committees to study the options. As for the Republican debate, I couldn't get myself to watch a circus of ill mindless people berate the Democrats. So, I enjoyed the World Series...............Go Royals!

    Thanks AMC; yes you are right baseball is better; but I'm a bit amazed no one else has the guts to comment on my 11 points. That proves that hypocrites rule this country; no one wants to hear the truth and run like hell away from it.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:

    As a further comment, I'm amazed that no one both Dem's and GOP touches the following properly and compare such with other country's which are already doing such for ages:

    1) Stop meddling in the world and wanting it only our arrogant way as well expanding our bases and military presence.

    2) For health plans look around , which countries have the best, including full control of pricing of drugs and services, which is less costly than inventing a "new" system which only makes some people richer.

    3) Have an sufficient army which defends your country, but not attack others who never attacked you

    4) Have an progressive tax system which goes from "0" to 70% like they do in Europe.

    5) Get rid of the "second" Amendment or rewrite it, to make it fit modern times and then enforce strict gun control.

    6) Get rid of the "power blocks"(or diminish their power) as well "lobbyists" and "money" in elections ( Super Pac's etc.)

    7) Think about the "poor" world wide, instead of only wanting to deal and hand out money to the leaders in those countries only.

    8) Stop spending money to just to create an "arms" race and wasting trillions on war equipment destined for WWIII ( no one wants to invade this country; the only thing we have to offer is trillions of debt and plenty of rednecks with lots of guns)

    9) Don't be the arrogant country who seldom wants to receive advise from other countries who have certain things better under control, like healthcare or infrastructure etc.

    10) Curb the "lawyer" culture; the US has 90% of all lawyers in the world. Write laws instead which are clear cut and understandable instead; it even influences voting because of "lawyer" written amendments on the ballots which no one can un-cipher..

    11) Abortions? no government meddling; the mother should decide; the rich people will get abortions whenever they want them anyway outside the country etc. The poor will have to suffer with a deformed or unwanted un-loved kid; who likely grows up as a criminal or druggy.

    There are many more issues which could benefit the country; but I stop for now because none of the candidates will have anything like the above in their agenda's anyway.

    Dutch -- Your last statement is right on. None of the candidates will have anything like your list as their agenda because it is a "wish list". If you were a candidate running for President and promised your constituents that this is your platform that you will achieve in office, and that at the end of your four year term you wanted to be judged on how many of those items on your list were achieved, well what would your report card look like? An "A"? No way Dude. It would be maybe a "D" at best.

    I like most every item on the list, and I also like everything Bernie Sanders stands for on his wish list. But having devoted thousands of hours in canvassing for candidates, telephoning until my ears got sore, sitting at voter registration tables, attending functions to meet and talk with the candidates, leading as precinct chair for four years, knocking on every door in my precinct multiple times to try get people to participate in our democracy, running caucus meetings, being a delegate to county assemblies, state conventions and working within committees, and finally donating money to campaigns, I think I have a pretty good idea of what it takes to achieve one's goals. They ain't easy.

    I am a realist. I fully understand that there is a good half of the population whose brains are wired differently, and that I am not going to change those people's brains one iota. What I can do, however, is try get those who agree with me to get off their asses and register to vote and then vote. That's where I spend my time...on the playing field getting muddy, not in the stands booing. I believe that life is full of many paths and choices, but that we should never expect to have everything our way. There are lots of good people in the world and there are also bad people in the world. We cannot ignore the "other" as the world shrinks. We may vehemently disagree with the "other", but we cannot ignore them.

    Life is full of compromises, and it is very, very hard to negotiate a compromise that satisfies everyone. On the other hand, it is very easy to be an arm chair quarterback and do nothing but criticize. That will achieve nothing except to make a person bitter as he/she watches the world events unfold and can't do anything about it. I am only one person but I know that there are many fellow Democrats like myself that are doing even more to make this country a better place. We don't always get our way, but there is satisfaction for having tried.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt; an excellent piece. I can fully understand your position and respect that fully. You are absolutely right on, related my "wish" list; however if none of this enters the brains of our candidates, yes then we end up with a "D" . The problem I have with Americans, should be obvious to you by now. as long if we (regardless of you) move in the wrong direction, then this country is doomed. Ask Eternal. Like your efforts are great, but how many people are there like you who put in such effort to make people think? My experience here has been, that people here are not thinkers; someone else thinks for them, like the church, army, government, their doctor, the internet, media, you name it. Mostly lazy minds in this country or fully indoctrinated of at least 80% or more. Even in Iran they think more for themselves!! So you are an exception and I will remain a crazy Dutchman and think like one, regardless if I'm living here. Sure I agree on the "armchair" issue and try via this site to wake up a few people; but like you said a lot of indoctrinated hard heads around; they all think Jesus will save them; so they don't need your help or my idea's. Ask Huckabee or Cruze.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch -- I agree with you mostly. I think someone covered this article before (maybe it was me) in this website, about Texas Republicans rejecting critical thinking skills.

    Washington Post, July 9, 2012: Texas GOP rejects ‘critical thinking’ skills. Really.

    This is an extract from the Texas Republican Party Platform:

    Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.

    I added the bolding. Several media reported on the story back in 2012, but as far as I can tell, the situation in Texas has not improved. I guess it depends on what media source you are reading. It does reveal a fundamental difference in the way our brains are wired. Conservative brains are hard wired into obedience as evidenced by their tribal, Christian, repetitive, and Pavlovian type of responses to issues and questions. Liberal brains are more fickle...they think a lot about the world and perhaps are overly ideological at times.

    Anyway, the only issue that I have with your statement is that you use the blanket "Americans", but as you know there are many of us, mostly Democrats, that do engage in a lot of critical thinking about the future. I do it all the time. It's kind of like President Obama blaming "Congress" instead of the Republican Party in Congress or more specifically the Freedom Caucus/Tea Party/John Birch Society anarchists within our government.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Dutch -- I agree with you mostly. I think someone covered this article before (maybe it was me) in this website, about Texas Republicans rejecting critical thinking skills.

    Washington Post, July 9, 2012: Texas GOP rejects ‘critical thinking’ skills. Really.

    This is an extract from the Texas Republican Party Platform:

    Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.

    I added the bolding. Several media reported on the story back in 2012, but as far as I can tell, the situation in Texas has not improved. I guess it depends on what media source you are reading. It does reveal a fundamental difference in the way our brains are wired. Conservative brains are hard wired into obedience as evidenced by their tribal, Christian, repetitive, and Pavlovian type of responses to issues and questions. Liberal brains are more fickle...they think a lot about the world and perhaps are overly ideological at times.

    Anyway, the only issue that I have with your statement is that you use the blanket "Americans", but as you know there are many of us, mostly Democrats, that do engage in a lot of critical thinking about the future. I do it all the time. It's kind of like President Obama blaming "Congress" instead of the Republican Party in Congress or more specifically the Freedom Caucus/Tea Party/John Birch Society anarchists within our government.

    Schmidt, thanks. On your last para you kind of undermine your own statements as before when you were trying to "convert" people to vote for Democrats. Again as I said 80% here is indoctrinated by either media, church, army etc. so only few think for themselves. I clearly stated that you are an exception.

    Just as something separate; on the Dutch TV they have a documentary about American behavior; too bad I can't copy that.

    For instance it shows that a certain church trades guns etc. in church and shows a bunch of idiots with the biggest shootout ever with any type of weapon. Some people were interviewed by a Dutch reporter; the nonsense they spewed out was ridiculous; everywhere Jesus was mentioned as a guardian of their guns etc. as well that they are protecting themselves from the government. If these people vote, then you already know for whom.

  • Independent
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    Schmidt; herewith a clip of what they show on Dutch TV; hope you can open it; first some Dutch adds then the clip. The text below says; that the church arranged the show and gave the attendants weapons or sold them, whatever. There will be more clips coming.

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