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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Vox, October 21, 2015: Ohio's marijuana legalization ballot measure, explained

    In the Ohio statewide November election, residents will get the chance to vote on legalizing all marijuana, both medical and recreational, in the state. If passed, Ohioans 21 and older will be able to possess up to an ounce of marijuana, and with the purchase of a $50 license, will be allowed to grow up to four flowering marijuana plants per household and posses up to 8 ounces of pot in their homes. That part is okay.

    However, the wealthy supporters of the bill have written into the law a perk for themselves. They will have the rights to grow all the commercial pot sold in the state. A provision in the proposed law will only allow 10 marijuana farms in the state, and more than 20 wealthy contributors who have signed on to the campaign will get guaranteed licenses to all 10 sites. That has rankled major advocacy groups that would otherwise support the bill. That provision might result in the defeat of the measure.

    Only in Ohio....

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    ZSchmidt Wrote:

    Vox, October 21, 2015: Ohio's marijuana legalization ballot measure, explained

    In the Ohio statewide November election, residents will get the chance to vote on legalizing all marijuana, both medical and recreational, in the state. If passed, Ohioans 21 and older will be able to possess up to an ounce of marijuana, and with the purchase of a $50 license, will be allowed to grow up to four flowering marijuana plants per household and posses up to 8 ounces of pot in their homes. That part is okay.

    However, the wealthy supporters of the bill have written into the law a perk for themselves. They will have the rights to grow all the commercial pot sold in the state. A provision in the proposed law will only allow 10 marijuana farms in the state, and more than 20 wealthy contributors who have signed on to the campaign will get guaranteed licenses to all 10 sites. That has rankled major advocacy groups that would otherwise support the bill. That provision might result in the defeat of the measure.

    Only in Ohio....

    No, 'tis the Capitalist way. Pass legislation giving yourself total control over a product so you may charge whatever the market will bear. Republicans have honed this down to a fine art but Democrats are right behind them.
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    It's troubling that money - get's money. With out the dollar signs it wouldn't be discussed. We'd be one of the other 46. Therefore I'm split. The other 46 is something that very well may change. In '16 (and in '20) I believe many more states will offer the proposition to their voters. Then will it be the 35/15. The haves and have not's. It seems like an approach that otherwise would not be offered because the govt. knows best.....NOT.

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    An story that I just read suggests that the Ohio vote may be a pretty close call. Just under 2 weeks so - we'll see what the majority is thinking.

    fox8.com/2015/10/21/poll-finds-ohio-vot...

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    A fun dose of satire for a quick laugh.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    At least that at least that will guarantee that Ohio's pot farms will be owned by Ohioans. Can't be too bad of a law. Otherwise China would probably own the pot farms.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: At least that at least that will guarantee that Ohio's pot farms will be owned by Ohioans. Can't be too bad of a law. Otherwise China would probably own the pot farms.

    You're being a little xenophobic here.

    I live in Oregon and all of our marijuana farms are strictly regulated by the Oregon Liquor Control Commission. They decide who can grow marijuana and ensure that growers are adhering to the law Oregonians overwhelmingly voted to pass.

    The state doesn't give a shit if a marijuana farm is owned by an Oregonian of Chinese, Vietnamese, Zambian, or Caucasian descent. If their farm is in Oregon, they have been a resident of Oregon for two or more years, and the OLCC determines that they are following the law then they are given a license to grow Marijuana in our state.

    The Ohio marijuana proposal does no such thing. It gives rich backers of the proposed law sole ownership over all rights to grow and distribute marijuana in the state. That's not legal marijuana; it's a legal marijuana cartel.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: At least that at least that will guarantee that Ohio's pot farms will be owned by Ohioans. Can't be too bad of a law. Otherwise China would probably own the pot farms.

    You're being a little xenophobic here.

    I live in Oregon and all of our marijuana farms are strictly regulated by the Oregon Liquor Control Commission. They decide who can grow marijuana and ensure that growers are adhering to the law Oregonians overwhelmingly voted to pass.

    The state doesn't give a shit if a marijuana farm is owned by an Oregonian of Chinese, Vietnamese, Zambian, or Caucasian descent. If their farm is in Oregon, they have been a resident of Oregon for two or more years, and the OLCC determines that they are following the law then they are given a license to grow Marijuana in our state.

    The Ohio marijuana proposal does no such thing. It gives rich backers of the proposed law sole ownership over all rights to grow and distribute marijuana in the state. That's not legal marijuana; it's a legal marijuana cartel.

    Au contraire

    LAND As Payment For U.S. Debt ...

    www.secretsofthefed.com › News › Banking Cartel

    Jan 16, 2013 - The problem is that, in a struggling U.S. economy, China does not want to trade its investment in U.S. Treasury debt securities, with their ...

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Au contraire

    LAND As Payment For U.S. Debt ...

    www.secretsofthefed.com › News › Banking Cartel

    Jan 16, 2013 - The problem is that, in a struggling U.S. economy, China does not want to trade its investment in U.S. Treasury debt securities, with their ...

    This is an article chock full of conspiracy theories that was written to scare Americans and not actually give a sober analysis of Chinese, or any other foreign countries, holding of our national debt. Not just that, but it's over two years old. That's just a bit outdated if you ask me.

    What this article also doesn't talk about is that China isn't even the largest holder of US debt. That distinction belongs to Japan. Where's your concern about the Japanese buying land and operating businesses throughout America? Honda, Mitsubishi, and Toyota are companies that employ tens of thousands of Americans. Do you believe they have some sinister plan to take over our country some day??

    China can demand whatever they want, but their demands will fall on deaf ears by our Congress. They can't just buy land in America and say that we must allow them to do whatever they want within that land. Corporations throughout the world own and operate businesses all over America, but they still must adhere to local, state, and Federal laws.

    Back to the whole Ohio marijuana proposal--if a Chinese company wants to own and operate a marijuana farm in Oregon, pays their taxes, and adheres to Oregon law then they are free to do so. The Ohio plan rewards rich donors with sole control over the growing and distribution of all marijuana in the state. And, as I said before, that is not legalized marijuana; it is a legalized cartel.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Au contraire

    LAND As Payment For U.S. Debt ...

    www.secretsofthefed.com › News › Banking Cartel

    Jan 16, 2013 - The problem is that, in a struggling U.S. economy, China does not want to trade its investment in U.S. Treasury debt securities, with their ...

    This is an article chock full of conspiracy theories that was written to scare Americans and not actually give a sober analysis of Chinese, or any other foreign countries, holding of our national debt. Not just that, but it's over two years old. That's just a bit outdated if you ask me.

    What this article also doesn't talk about is that China isn't even the largest holder of US debt. That distinction belongs to Japan. Where's your concern about the Japanese buying land and operating businesses throughout America? Honda, Mitsubishi, and Toyota are companies that employ tens of thousands of Americans. Do you believe they have some sinister plan to take over our country some day??

    China can demand whatever they want, but their demands will fall on deaf ears by our Congress. They can't just buy land in America and say that we must allow them to do whatever they want within that land. Corporations throughout the world own and operate businesses all over America, but they still must adhere to local, state, and Federal laws.

    Back to the whole Ohio marijuana proposal--if a Chinese company wants to own and operate a marijuana farm in Oregon, pays their taxes, and adheres to Oregon law then they are free to do so. The Ohio plan rewards rich donors with sole control over the growing and distribution of all marijuana in the state. And, as I said before, that is not legalized marijuana; it is a legalized cartel.

    The Japanese had their US land grab in the 80s. They don't appear to be headed in that direction. I haven't read anything about Japan buying up US real estate. But to further substantiate the Chinese buying up land consider this Forbes article : ​http://www.forbes.com/sites/samdiedrich/2014/04/24/does-chinese-land-banking-activity-pose-a-threat-to-the-global-property-market-and-specifically-to-the-us-housing-recovery/. My opposition to foreign purchases of US land is the same opposition I would have to people from Washington buying land in Florida. Absentee ownership tends to accrue problems problems not associated with local ownership. Just because you can does not top the list for motivation.
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    What does any of this have to do with the proposed marijuana law in Ohio?

    If the Chinese or anyone else want to buy land somewhere and operate a business on that land then they have every right to do so in this country. They will still have to pay all relevant local, state, and Federal taxes on that land. It's not like we just give land away for free and declare it a lawless zone free from government regulation because their home country hold some of our debt. That's not how things work.

    And I really don't get what you mean when you talk about people from Washington buying land in Florida. Are you suggesting that no one should be able to purchase a second home and split their time between the two places? What if they like the Washington summer and the Florida winter?

    What if they can afford a third, fourth, or fifth home? Should they be forced to sell all their other property before purchasing property in another state?

    And once again--what does any of that have to do with the proposed marijuana law in Ohio?

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    I'm jaredsxtn Wrote:

    What does any of this have to do with the proposed marijuana law in Ohio?

    If the Chinese or anyone else want to buy land somewhere and operate a business on that land then they have every right to do so in this country. They will still have to pay all relevant local, state, and Federal taxes on that land. It's not like we just give land away for free and declare it a lawless zone free from government regulation because their home country hold some of our debt. That's not how things work.

    And I really don't get what you mean when you talk about people from Washington buying land in Florida. Are you suggesting that no one should be able to purchase a second home and split their time between the two places? What if they like the Washington summer and the Florida winter?

    What if they can afford a third, fourth, or fifth home? Should they be forced to sell all their other property before purchasing property in another state?

    And once again--what does any of that have to do with the proposed marijuana law in Ohio?

    jaredsxtn, I am just responding to the questions in your comments about what I said. Initially I made a casual non challenging innocuous statement about China. You responded at length much in the same way you have just done and end it with another question. I thought you were entertaining a discussion. I just provided you with some information and you responded with questions. There was support for what I said that you didn't see, so I provided it. So now you pose multiple questions in your post and end it by virtually saying that was the last word. It is like asking why are you saying that but don't answer. There are well documented drawbacks about absentee landlords and propriorship but you challenge that and say but don't answer? Okay.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: jaredsxtn, I am just responding to the questions in your comments about what I said. Initially I made a casual non challenging innocuous statement about China. You responded at length much in the same way you have just done and end it with another question. I thought you were entertaining a discussion.

    The reason I responded at length was because the casual non challenging innocuous statement about China had nothing to do with the conversation of Ohio's proposed marijuana ballot measure.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: I just provided you with some information and you responded with questions. There was support for what I said that you didn't see, so I provided it.

    The first information you provided was from a conspiracy theory website that was filled with sensationalist language but devoid of any facts. It was also written two years ago.

    And the Forbes article you provided had to do with private residential land, not marijuana farms or other corporate land meant for commercial development or farming.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: So now you pose multiple questions in your post and end it by virtually saying that was the last word. It is like asking why are you saying that but don't answer. There are well documented drawbacks about absentee landlords and propriorship but you challenge that and say but don't answer? Okay.?

    I never said anything was the last word. I just like to keep threads on topic as much as possible. Marijuana laws have nothing to do with Chinese individuals purchasing residential property in America.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: jaredsxtn, I am just responding to the questions in your comments about what I said. Initially I made a casual non challenging innocuous statement about China. You responded at length much in the same way you have just done and end it with another question. I thought you were entertaining a discussion.

    The reason I responded at length was because the casual non challenging innocuous statement about China had nothing to do with the conversation of Ohio's proposed marijuana ballot measure.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: I just provided you with some information and you responded with questions. There was support for what I said that you didn't see, so I provided it.

    The first information you provided was from a conspiracy theory website that was filled with sensationalist language but devoid of any facts. It was also written two years ago.

    And the Forbes article you provided had to do with private residential land, not marijuana farms or other corporate land meant for commercial development or farming.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: So now you pose multiple questions in your post and end it by virtually saying that was the last word. It is like asking why are you saying that but don't answer. There are well documented drawbacks about absentee landlords and propriorship but you challenge that and say but don't answer? Okay.?

    I never said anything was the last word. I just like to keep threads on topic as much as possible. Marijuana laws have nothing to do with Chinese individuals purchasing residential property in America.

    Jared and Chet; who cares? If I want to smoke a sticky, I'll go to Amsterdam, then it is much less complicated and no Chinese are involved or Ohio-an rednecks. Jared don't get too upset, worry more about Hillary or Trump or as Eternal says the JBS and as Bernie says Wall Street.
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared and Chet; who cares? If I want to smoke a sticky, I'll go to Amsterdam, then it is much less complicated and no Chinese are involved or Ohio-an rednecks. Jared don't get too upset, worry more about Hillary or Trump or as Eternal says the JBS and as Bernie says Wall Street.

    I care. I care an awful lot about this issue.

    We are spending tens of billions of taxpayer dollars every year to fight this so called war on drugs and I'm quite tired of wasting our national treasure locking up nonviolent American citizens for possessing a naturally grown plant.

    The problem with your Amsterdam question is that the vast majority of lower and middle class citizens in this country can't afford to go to Amsterdam to smoke a sticky, but they can afford to go to a corner market and purchase marijuana that is taxed and regulated by a state government.

    People consume marijuana for a variety of reasons and they shouldn't need a doctors note to consume it. Alcohol kills thousands of people a year in this country and yet we still have a liquor store on damn near every corner; marijuana has killed zero people and is labeled as a Schedule I drug. Think about that for a second...

    Ohioans shouldn't have to choose between voting for a legalized marijuana cartel or keeping it illegal with the potential for jail time if they are caught with it on their person. Jail time, mind you, that we Americans citizens pay for.