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Paul Ryan outlines demands to the Freedom Caucus

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    Time, October 20, 2015: Paul Ryan Outfoxes the Freedom Caucus

    Paul Ryan, playing hard-to-get for the House Speakership post to replace John Boehner, met with the so called 40 or so refusniks (aka. Tea Party...aka. John Birchers) to outline what he would require to take on the job as Speaker. From the above Time article:

    "Ryan had five requests. First, the next Speaker should be visionary and should use his or her post not just for fundraising and day-to-day problem solving but to communicate the party agenda. Second, he’s open to some of the rules changes they are demanding, but only if the entire conference agrees. Third, there will be no motions to vacate the chair. (This is what brought down Speaker John Boehner and he would-be heir Kevin McCarthy: when a Republican loses more than 30 votes, he loses the simple majority of 218 votes on the floor thus costing him his seat.) Fourth, family comes first, so the House will have to work on work-life balance for everyone. And fifth, everyone in the conference must vote for him—not a single member can dissent."

    Ryan's list of demands puts pressure on the Freedom Caucus to either approve Ryan's demands or say 'no' as they are so accustomed to doing to President Obama. If they say yes, Ryan is in more control of the House than Boehner ever was and the Freedom Caucus has lost some of its clout. If they say 'no' "they will have to deal with 200-plus very angry colleagues, many of whom are already talking openly about doing a deal with Democrats to elect a consensus Speaker to end the turmoil. That outcome would be the exact opposite of what the Freedom Caucus hoped to achieve by deposing Boehner, whom they felt already caved too much to Democratic demands."

    Has the Freedom Caucus overplayed its hand? We'll find out soon enough. Decisions are likely this week.

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    Schmidt Wrote: Has the Freedom Caucus overplayed its hand? We'll find out soon enough. Decisions are likely this week.

    It has been so fun watching the House Republican caucus blow up before our very eyes.

    To answer this question, I have to suggest that they haven't. Ten "Freedom Caucus" members have publicly stated that they oppose Paul Ryan's demands. According to the "Freedom Caucuses" rules, four-fifths of its members must support a motion to get their endorsement. That means ten members of the House of Representatives may, and I stress may, be able to override the motion to have Paul Ryan be the next speaker.

    A lot can happen before Friday, but if those members stick together then Paul Ryan won't be the next speaker. That is if he actually sticks to his demands.

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    The truly amazing thing about Ryan is he is now considered a moderate!
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    Amazing; when I had my job I had to work 14 to 18 hours a day (not all the time) and had to travel anytime even got called out of bed to go somewhere. So don't let me laugh that this evangelical a...hole wants to work 40 hours a week with lots of vacation time and decides in which direction our country should move. But yeah as Schmidt correctly said the Birchers probably run the show and instruct him, so he has to do nothing at all.
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    From what I am reading, it appears that Paul Ryan has backed off his demand for an endorsement (80 percent of Freedom Caucus to vote for him) and will settle instead for their "support" which is something less than the 80 percent but more than 50 percent.

    The critical number to get legislation passed in the House is 218, and according to Paul Ryan's headcount he stands at about 225 or higher with "support" of more than half of the Freedom Caucus. Will this be enough of a cushion for Paul Ryan to take the job? I suppose it depends on whether some of his other conditions are met...like family time for the family values guy.

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    Hey Ryan, you pinhead, how about work/life balance for 300 million Americans?
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    lonely bird Wrote: Hey Ryan, you pinhead, how about work/life balance for 300 million Americans?
    No, if so it would only apply to evangelicals who vote GOP and are member of the JBS and have at least 30 million on the bank..
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    From what I am reading, it appears that Paul Ryan has backed off his demand for an endorsement (80 percent of Freedom Caucus to vote for him) and will settle instead for their "support" which is something less than the 80 percent but more than 50 percent.

    The critical number to get legislation passed in the House is 218, and according to Paul Ryan's headcount he stands at about 225 or higher with "support" of more than half of the Freedom Caucus. Will this be enough of a cushion for Paul Ryan to take the job? I suppose it depends on whether some of his other conditions are met...like family time for the family values guy.

    He will undoubtedly be the next speaker, but backing off his demands right off the bat has him looking weak before he is even elected.

    I honestly don't know why anyone would want that thankless job. There is little to zero chance that he will get any major legislation passed and signed by the President and, while the House is likely to stay in Republican control through 2020, the Senate map looks awfully good for Democrats in 2016. That, and the electoral college map is overwhelmingly in Democrats favor heading into 2016.

    So what Ryan is stepping in to is leading an ungovernable caucus that has no intention of negotiating on anything at all. Not just that, but he is looking at not getting anything done for years to come if the Democrats retake the Senate and win the Presidency in 2016. Why in the world would he, or anyone, want to put themselves in that position?

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    I don't know that it makes much difference to Ryan if he passes any legislation. The Republican MO for the House was articulated by John Boehner over two years ago.

    "We should not be judged on how many new laws we create. We should be judged on how many laws we repeal." -- John Boehner, July 21, 2013.

    That exactly is what Republicans have been trying to do and how they WANT to be viewed by their benefactors. And anything goes to accomplish that goal. So otherwise, Ryan just needs to bring legislation to the floor every week that repeals Obamacare and defunds Planned Parenthood. He has met the minimum requirements for the job. Nothing else on the agenda except maybe Medicare vouchers. The rest of the time he'll call for extended vacations and "family time."

    Oh and the Benghazi committee will continue indefinitely.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    I don't know that it makes much difference to Ryan if he passes any legislation. The Republican MO for the House was articulated by John Boehner over two years ago.

    "We should not be judged on how many new laws we create. We should be judged on how many laws we repeal." -- John Boehner, July 21, 2013.

    The only problem with Mr. Boehner's statement is that Republicans haven't been successful in repealing any laws before or after that statement. So if we are to judge Boehner and the Republican House based off that statement then they have been a complete and total failure as a majority.

    Schmidt Wrote: That exactly is what Republicans have been trying to do and how they WANT to be viewed by their benefactors. And anything goes to accomplish that goal. So otherwise, Ryan just needs to bring legislation to the floor every week that repeals Obamacare and defunds Planned Parenthood. He has met the minimum requirements for the job. Nothing else on the agenda except maybe Medicare vouchers. The rest of the time he'll call for extended vacations and "family time."

    Oh and the Benghazi committee will continue indefinitely.

    I don't disagree with you, but I find it so depressing that this is what our politics has come to again. This isn't the first time we've had a "do nothing Congress," and it won't be the last, but it's still depressing to be live in a time that has one.

    Ryan may score political points by having the House pass legislation repealing Obamacare, de-funding Planned Parenthood, and giving tax breaks to his rich friends, but he won't be accomplishing anything good for our country. He may be fine with that, but it's still rather depressing that this is what our current political environment has come to.

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    Jared, I'm glad you finally agree that this Government the way it works is an unworkable giant. Also it really does not run this country; only certain power blocks run it. This will lead to dictatorship by the few.
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    Although news of the impeachment is THE topic right now, one positive event will go largely unnoticed.

    One of the Freedom Caucus founding members, Mark Meadows, just announced that he will not be seeking re-election. Meadows was the chair of the Freedom Caucus from 2017 until 2019, when Andy Biggs of Arizona took over.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mark-meadows-to-leave-congress-at-end-of-term

    The Freedom Caucus is considered the furthest-right bloc within the House Republican Conference. The caucus supports House candidates through its PAC, the House Freedom Fund. As of September of 2019, the caucus had 36 members. The wackiest people in the group are Andy Biggs, Matt Gaetz, Louie Gohmert, Paul Gosar, Jim Jordan, Debbie Lesko, Mark Meadows, Dave Schweikert, and Ted Yoho.

    The insanity of Jim Jordan and Matt Gaetz was on full display during the impeachment hearings, but Debbie Lesko also had her moment in the sun as well. Prior to her election into the house, she was the ALEC representative in the Arizona legislature, and she even LOOKS a little wacky:

    Debbie Lesko, official portrait, 115th Congress.jpg

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    Mulvaney is the founder of the so called freedom bs caucus.
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    One of the members of the Freedom Caucus is Paul Gosar. He was my congressman when I moved to Flagstaff, but he moved to Prescott shortly afterwords because Prescott is THE most conservative district in the state, whereas Flagstaff is more evenly blanced

    For some reason, I still get his newsletters, and I'm staying on his list just so I can keep track of how nutty the guy is.

    Here's today's letter:

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    One of the members of the Freedom Caucus is Paul Gosar. He was my congressman when I moved to Flagstaff, but he moved to Prescott shortly afterwords because Prescott is THE most conservative district in the state, whereas Flagstaff is more evenly blanced

    For some reason, I still get his newsletters, and I'm staying on his list just so I can keep track of how nutty the guy is.

    Here's today's letter: