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Has immigration been good for America?

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Pew Research Center, September 28, 2015: Modern Immigration Wave Brings 59 Million to U.S., Driving Population Growth and Change Through 2065

    "Fifty years after passage of the landmark law that rewrote U.S. immigration policy, nearly 59 milion immigrants have arrived in the United States, pushing the country’s foreign-born share to a near record 14%. For the past half-century, these modern-era immigrants and their descendants have accounted for just over half the nation’s population growth and have reshaped its racial and ethnic composition."

    If current trends hold, immigrants are projected to account for 88% of the U.S. population increase from 2015 to 2065, or 103 million people, as the nation grows to 441 million. Much of this increase can be linked to the 1965 Immigration and Nationality Act which made major changes to U.S. immigration policy by doing away with a national origins quota system that favored immigrants from Europe and replacing it with one that emphasized family reunification and skilled immigrants.

    Americans are largely divided on the benefits of immigration (both legal and illegal). Most of the scholarly articles I have read suggest that immigration is good for economic growth. This article in the Fiscal Times says as much:

    Fiscal Times, December 2, 2014: How Immigrants Boost U.S. Economic Growth

    I think it is a no brainer for long term economic productivity, but for the short term, if your job is threatened by immigrants then you might think otherwise. Germany's acceptance of so many Syrian immigrants is recognition that their fertility rate of 1.44 is too low to sustain their status as the European economic powerhouse. By comparison, America's fertility rate is 1.87, also too low for sustaining a robust long term economy, but certainly better than Germany's.

    I am supportive of substantially increasing the numbers of Syrian refugees that America takes in. We are a diverse country of immigrants, and adding a few 100,000 more will have little impact on current workers. Not only that, immigrants bring a different perspective on the world that would help mold our foreign policies.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: I think it is a no brainer for long term economic productivity, but for the short term, if your job is threatened by immigrants then you might think otherwise. Germany's acceptance of so many Syrian immigrants is recognition that their fertility rate of 1.44 is too low to sustain their status as the European economic powerhouse. By comparison, America's fertility rate is 1.87, also too low for sustaining a robust long term economy, but certainly better than Germany's.

    I am supportive of substantially increasing the numbers of Syrian refugees that America takes in. We are a diverse country of immigrants, and adding a few 100,000 more will have little impact on current workers. Not only that, immigrants bring a different perspective on the world that would help mold our foreign policies.

    To answer the question of your posts title in one word--YES.

    It is impossible to suggest otherwise if you think about it from a historical perspective (never mind the fact that any person that isn't of Native American heritage is technically a beneficiary of immigration in the first place.) Immigrants are what built this country and will continue to do so as we move forward. There's no such thing as "an American" (other than Native Americans) because every single one of our family trees originated on another continent. That's a fact that many xenophobic Americans refuse to accept, but facts are facts.

    I agree that we need to accept many, many more Syrian refugees and refugees from other conflicts throughout the world. Whatever happened to the words emblazoned on our Statue of Liberty?

    “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

    -Emma Lazarus

    Immigration has undoubtedly made us the most yearned for country on this globe. You never hear of people clamoring to get into Russia, China, or India--you hear about people who will do whatever it takes to be welcomed into the United States. I know some people have a hard time wrapping their head around that, but as I like to say--facts are facts.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote: I think it is a no brainer for long term economic productivity, but for the short term, if your job is threatened by immigrants then you might think otherwise. Germany's acceptance of so many Syrian immigrants is recognition that their fertility rate of 1.44 is too low to sustain their status as the European economic powerhouse. By comparison, America's fertility rate is 1.87, also too low for sustaining a robust long term economy, but certainly better than Germany's.

    I am supportive of substantially increasing the numbers of Syrian refugees that America takes in. We are a diverse country of immigrants, and adding a few 100,000 more will have little impact on current workers. Not only that, immigrants bring a different perspective on the world that would help mold our foreign policies.

    To answer the question of your posts title in one word--YES.

    It is impossible to suggest otherwise if you think about it from a historical perspective (never mind the fact that any person that isn't of Native American heritage is technically a beneficiary of immigration in the first place.) Immigrants are what built this country and will continue to do so as we move forward. There's no such thing as "an American" (other than Native Americans) because every single one of our family trees originated on another continent. That's a fact that many xenophobic Americans refuse to accept, but facts are facts.

    I agree that we need to accept many, many more Syrian refugees and refugees from other conflicts throughout the world. Whatever happened to the words emblazoned on our Statue of Liberty?

    “Give me your tired, your poor,
    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
    I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

    -Emma Lazarus

    Immigration has undoubtedly helped make us the most yearned for country on this globe. You never hear of people clamoring to get into Russia, China, or India--you hear about people who will do whatever it takes to be welcomed into the United States. I know some people have a hard time wrapping their head around that, but as I like to say--facts are facts.

    Yes I agree with Schmidt not so much with Jared on his last statement pointed at me. The fact is most immigrants come from places where they can not make headway or earn a living or are prosecuted for whatever reason; That is why you have all these fanatic religions like Mormons and others. Also the fact is that this country has, because of its size plenty of room to expand "living/breathing space" In most countries where people immigrate from that is not the case; small houses or multiple families in one little house in crowded city's etc. Also if you lived in war torn area's you'll be glad to leave. Or you have famine area's, or Boko Harem may ruin your life or American bombs are thrown on your head etc. Or work in a clothes factory in Bangla Desh for 2 cents an hour to satisfy another US billionaire. etc. etc.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: Yes I agree with Schmidt not so much with Jared on his last statement pointed at me. The fact is most immigrants come from places where they can not make headway or earn a living or are prosecuted for whatever reason;

    My statement was pointed at everyone who thinks America is the Great Satan. If we are so hated then why would millions of people do whatever it takes to leave behind their home country and emigrate here? That just doesn't make any sense at all.

    Most legal immigrants (38%) come from Asian-Pacific countries. The vast majority of them are emigrating to America because they have advanced degrees and are being recruited by major tech companies; not because they are fleeing strife or can't earn a living in their country of origin.

    If it were true that the majority of immigrants are fleeing war and strife then those from the Middle-East and Africa would make up more than 15% of our legal immigrant population.

    And, while many people like to blame undocumented immigrants for all of our nations ills, the fact is that they are vastly outnumbered by legal immigrants and illegal immigration has been at a net zero for the past few years.

  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Yes I agree with Schmidt not so much with Jared on his last statement pointed at me. The fact is most immigrants come from places where they can not make headway or earn a living or are prosecuted for whatever reason;

    My statement was pointed at everyone who thinks America is the Great Satan. If we are so hated then why would millions of people do whatever it takes to leave behind their home country and emigrate here? That just doesn't make any sense at all.

    Most legal immigrants (38%) come from Asian-Pacific countries. The vast majority of them are emigrating to America because they have advanced degrees and are being recruited by major tech companies; not because they are fleeing strife or can't earn a living in their country of origin.

    If it were true that the majority of immigrants are fleeing war and strife then those from the Middle-East and Africa would make up more than 15% of our legal immigrant population.

    And, while many people like to blame undocumented immigrants for all of our nations ills, the fact is that they are vastly outnumbered by legal immigrants and illegal immigration has been at a net zero for the past few years.

    Jared, like I said before a lot of people as you said as well, come here because it is job related , indeed Asian Pacific people have certain skills which we want; however if we take for instance the Syrians then I'm not so sure.
  • Liberal
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    It can't be that bad - they let Dutch and Mrs. Dutch in Wink
  • Independent
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    pr Wrote: It can't be that bad - they let Dutch and Mrs. Dutch in Wink
    Wow; but if I was forced to live in New Hampshire I would have refused; way too cold for me. Then I would have had to steal your camper to get away.
  • Liberal
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    That's why I'm going to AZ and CA this winter!

    I'll be bringing my golden cross with me just in case I run into any witches (or Republicans)

    alternet.org/belief/its-2015-us-christi...

  • Independent
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    Political economy is the driver. Always was, always will be. In addition the dominant culture will attempt to force assimilation and will be successful to varying degrees for a far less than indefinite time frame. The greater the cultural and physical trait differences then the less the tendency for assimilation at first. Eventually both the dominant culture and the immigrants are changed resulting in a different culture. This more than anything can be a driver against immigration by the members of the dominant culture as fear is a strong emotion. It is the driver we see in the tea party rhetoric against illegals.
  • Independent
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    lonely bird Wrote: Political economy is the driver. Always was, always will be. In addition the dominant culture will attempt to force assimilation and will be successful to varying degrees for a far less than indefinite time frame. The greater the cultural and physical trait differences then the less the tendency for assimilation at first. Eventually both the dominant culture and the immigrants are changed resulting in a different culture. This more than anything can be a driver against immigration by the members of the dominant culture as fear is a strong emotion. It is the driver we see in the tea party rhetoric against illegals.
    Yes lonely absolutely correct; indeed the evangelicals are set in their ways and don't accept intrusion of other thinking people let alone Mexicans, Ha ha.
  • Center Left
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    Look at our history......we IMPORTED....a slave labor work force which helped the working....well slaving folks get ahead. Then this crazy guy in the 60's (Abe) partly eliminated that group. Then we had to switch to Irish, Italians, etc. We later had to deal with workers rights and a minimum wage.....luckily, Mexico stepped up. Jobs that we had were exported to China to help the working.... well slaving folks get ahead (enhanced profits). What will we do next ? Did they officially say no to the Syrian refugees ? They'd probably accept impossible conditions and bad wages.
  • Democrat
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    One day one of those refugees, Syrian perhaps, will be one of our next President. White, Anglo-Saxon, and even male..........get over it............you cannot stop destiny when there is a storm brewing. I will invite all immigrants into this country, because it is humanity evolving. I just wish stupidity of people would stop denigrating our immigrants as animals or low caste of humans. It wasn't too long ago our ancestors were treated the same way as trash people coming into America. As unpopular as it is, stupidity reigns over humanity.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote: Look at our history......we IMPORTED....a slave labor work force which helped the working....well slaving folks get ahead. Then this crazy guy in the 60's (Abe) partly eliminated that group. Then we had to switch to Irish, Italians, etc. We later had to deal with workers rights and a minimum wage.....luckily, Mexico stepped up. Jobs that we had were exported to China to help the working.... well slaving folks get ahead (enhanced profits). What will we do next ? Did they officially say no to the Syrian refugees ? They'd probably accept impossible conditions and bad wages.
    You got it TJ. The answer is to make human rights the law of the world and at the same time define sovereignty subordinate to human rights. The USA compromises sovereignty for oil, why not human rights. Human rights has to guarantee the minimum of food, shelter, clothing, medical, education and income.