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  • Liberal Democrat
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    The media is doing its part in castigating Donald Trump for his questioning of the premise that George W. Bush "kept us safe". Yes Bush kept us safe after 9/11, but it is the ugly truth that 9/11 occurred on his watch, and that he didn't take any actions to prevent the attack, despite numerous warnings. This is a conversation that is long overdue.

    The Atlantic, October 19, 2015: Trump Is Right About 9/11

    "There’s no way of knowing for sure if Bush could have stopped the September 11 attacks. But that’s not the right question. The right question is: Did Bush do everything he could reasonably have to stop them, given what he knew at the time? And he didn’t. It’s not even close."

    You can read the rest of the article in the above link to the Atlantic. I have read about this before, and I'm glad it's getting some prominence now, although from an unlikely direction...Donald Trump. Liberals have been writing about this for years, but the media has little time to challenge the status quo...the patriotic image of Bush standing on the rubble of the World Trade Center buildings with a fireman and a megaphone. American apple pie. A big lie.

    Thank you Donald Trump for bringing this Bush family dirty laundry out for everyone to examine. Bush did not keep us safe.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    The media is doing its part in castigating Donald Trump for his questioning of the premise that George W. Bush "kept us safe". Yes Bush kept us safe after 9/11, but it is the ugly truth that 9/11 occurred on his watch, and that he didn't take any actions to prevent the attack, despite numerous warnings. This is a conversation that is long overdue.

    The Atlantic, October 19, 2015: Trump Is Right About 9/11

    "There’s no way of knowing for sure if Bush could have stopped the September 11 attacks. But that’s not the right question. The right question is: Did Bush do everything he could reasonably have to stop them, given what he knew at the time? And he didn’t. It’s not even close."

    You can read the rest of the article in the above link to the Atlantic. I have read about this before, and I'm glad it's getting some prominence now, although from an unlikely direction...Donald Trump. Liberals have been writing about this for years, but the media has little time to challenge the status quo...the patriotic image of Bush standing on the rubble of the World Trade Center buildings with a fireman and a megaphone. And American apple pie. A big lie.

    Thank you Donald Trump for bringing this Bush family dirty laundry out for everyone to examine. Bush did not keep us safe.

    Yes Schmidt, I already addressed that. The ugly truth is that we also even before the Bushes we made sure a lot of area's in the world hated us and still do. Just by giving corrupt leaders all over the world plenty of money and weapons, without caring about the poor in those countries; we still use these practices and make it even worse by getting our noses in everyone else's business. No wonder 9/11's are waiting to happen; see my piece which I wrote to you about our meddling and all our stupid wars. How many did we "win"? Right now we are even in worse shape because of all our stupidity after 9/11. Even countries who were our "friends" after WWII hate our guts; like the Netherlands which gets now all the unwanted refugees because of our wars.

    The only "friends" we have left are the one's where which we keep happy by shoving plenty of money and weapons to their leaders; like Israel. Again; we are doing this all to ourselves.

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    Dutch Wrote:

    Yes Schmidt, I already addressed that. The ugly truth is that we also even before the Bushes made sure the world hated us and still do. Just by giving corrupt leaders all over the world plenty of money and weapons, without caring about the poor in those countries; we still use these practices and make it even worse by getting our noses in everyone else's business. No wonder 9/11's are waiting to happen; see my piece which I wrote to you about our meddling and all our stupid wars. How many did we "win"? Right now we are even in worse shape because of all our stupidity after 9/11. Even countries who were our "friends" after WWII hate our guts; like the Netherlands which gets now all the unwanted refugees because of our wars.

    The only "friends" we have left are the one's where which we keep happy by shoving plenty of money and weapons to their leaders; like Israel.

    Dutch -- Richard Clark, the former National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counter-terrorism for the United States, has been the chief spokesperson challenging the "Bush kept us safe" sound bite. He has appeared on liberal talk shows like Rachel Maddow again and again for as long as I remember. The point that I was making is that much of the mainstream media has largely ignored Richard Clarke, who by his position in government, should have demanded more credibility in the media. Now Donald Trump, who is not an expert on anything when it comes to foreign policy, captures all the headlines when he says what Richard Clarke has been saying for years.

    Like all my posts, you like to make extrapolations of my criticisms of government. I have criticized Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld and their fellow neocons again and again over the years, but that criticism does not extend to the US government in general, and certainly not to the efforts of President Obama and the work that his people (Clinton, Kerry, and others) have made to make the world a better place. I read opinion polls of how foreign countries view the USA, and they do not convey the "they hate our guts" image. That may be your feeling, but I will respectfully disagree again.

    There are lots of problems in the world, and yes the United States shares in the responsibility of causing some of those problems, but to cast everything bad as being entirely on the back of America, (the Great Satin?) is a stretch. I could go back to the causes of World Wars I and II and find a lot of room to criticize Europe for dragging America into their crazy wars. It still is dumbfounding to me why 16 million people had to die to avenge the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria.

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    Before 911 Trump predicted in his book that there would be a huge terrorist attack and he mentioned Osama Bin Laden. His people are either incredibly smart or incredibly lucky. Trump can call on his book and say that if he was president he would have acted on the information.
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    Schmidt; I guess you are too much a patriot; I guess the info you consider true about that they like Americans somewhere? is a very difficult analyses. Since I know a lot of people in Europe and elsewhere; interviews are not done with those people. So the data you have is skewed. A lot of people will not say they dislike Americans because they may be dependent on our goods or other connections but still may dislike us. Do you really think that the countries in Europe appreciate what the US is doing in Syria and other countries, so they get all these refugees? If you could read the Dutch, French or German newspapers, that certainly would change your mind. Please compare conflicts all over the world from before 9/11 to now. ( most of it due to involvement with the US) It has gotten only worse; having certain wars more than 14 years sure does not create less enemy's; instead they get more fanatic. Indeed we are guilty as hell!!!
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    10 Things the Dutch Think about Americans

    Read the list. Yes I suppose these are mostly true what the Dutch think of American "stereotypes". You can glean whatever you want out of the list and highlight it as vindication of your views. But if these stereotypes are all that you read about daily in the Dutch media, then yes I can see how the Dutch, amongst other Europeans, must privately "hate our guts".

    That's the same reason the Russians "hate our guts" I suppose. And the North Koreans.

    What I don't understand is why so many European expatriates choose to live here if they "hate our guts".

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    As the DNC debate provided some references to Bernie desiring to make America like the Dutch (Democratic Socialism), with whole lot of socialism, more media reports are coming forward that show pro and con of a Dutch society. I can agree there are some good examples of the Dutch, however, I would be against the over 60% taxation in the country. Currently, since the Dutch did not go Euro, they are managing their own currency, but using the Euro the same. The Dutch are hurting economically by the slow progress of their GDP. The Dutch is suffering with a horrid economy and are worse off than America. There may be some benefits of the Dutch system, but they do no have all the answers and like it was said earlier it's no wonder more people are desiring to come to America than they are the Dutch-land. I asked some young students in my class recently, what makes Denmark or Netherlands society so attractive to people like Bernie Sanders. These young kids who are not on the political scene yet in their lives, were all chanting "USA, USA, USA". They knew that Bernie was a Democratic Socialist and I cautioned them about getting caught up in the political dogma of presidential race. I urged them to use their own minds and gather wisdom about pros and cons of socialism and consider that our capitalistic economy could learn some things from socialism. The way I look at the world is nobody has the perfect solutions in politics of a nation and that all should evolve into a improved blend of social governing. Bernie may be many as a choice, just as Trump may be many a choice, but both stray from the narrow line of improvement. Each have their problems, which I feel "most" Americans will vote for the candidate that walks the line of a better America. To capture Trump as having the answer to 9-11, that is so over-the-top of ridiculous statements. People get over it, it happened, lets move on by learning from everybody's mistakes. Trump, never had the ideas when it happened on what to do, he is lies to inform the public for his electability that he would of did something different. Well, guess what, Trump didn't and probably was busy building his Trump empire and to hell with 9-11, it didn't impact his fortune.
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    10 Things the Dutch Think about Americans

    Read the list. Yes I suppose these are mostly true what the Dutch think of American "stereotypes". You can glean whatever you want out of the list and highlight it as vindication of your views. But if these stereotypes are all that you read about daily in the Dutch media, then yes I can see how the Dutch, amongst other Europeans, must privately "hate our guts".

    That's the same reason the Russians "hate our guts" I suppose. And the North Koreans.

    What I don't understand is why so many European expatriates choose to live here if they "hate our guts".

    Schmidt, I guess you are not Dutch and don't think like Dutch people. Due to the fact the Dutch experienced WWII, they hate wars. I personally know all about it and lost my parents because of it. The sick mentality here glorifying wars and the army expenditure since WWII shows that this country has never experienced a real war on their own soil since the civil war.

    I did not choose to live here; my company did sent me here and had to stay because of bankruptcy; repatriation cost would be totally for my account. My point is that most people here have the blinders on, related to how the US acts in the world, but refuses to accept that its foreign policies are totally flawed, because we live on an "uneducated island" and think ( because of the media) that we are doing a fantastic job. I try also on this site to hopefully get people to think; I always try to look at the US and its actions by using an "outside" view looking at what the US is doing. "Inbred" people here are way too much "island" indoctrinated to be able to do that. Like waving flags, and loving our wars ; the word "hero" is used for everything etc.

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    Like the parable of the blind men and the elephant, our individual worldviews are molded by our life's experiences from birth. Those experiences can be first hand and direct, or more indirect from what media outlets feed us, and not to exclude Hollywood movies that are exported all over the world. At one time many Europeans defined Americans as depicted in our western movies of the Wild West. I suppose now the stereotype of the "American tourist" plays on their minds.

    Most Americans have not ventured very far from their place of birth...maybe the next city or an adjacent state...and even more seldom outside of America. So yes their views are parochial based on what affects their lives on a daily basis. They don't know or care about Europe or the rest of the world because it just doesn't affect them. They are too busy coping with their work and the day-to-day demands of our society. So yes the word "ignorance" fits them as to their views and understanding of the rest of the world, but is that a flaw of our education system or a product of what affects us individually?

    Within America you will find considerable cultural, religious, racial, ethnic and political diversity of worldviews. Furthermore, the diversity is both geographical and generational. Yes we are not always tolerant of each other, particularly when it comes to politics and religion, but putting those two "dividers" aside, underneath you'll find some pretty good generous Americans. My staunch Republican neighbors took care to help my wife when I was in the hospital recently for a week (and afterward while I was at home recovering). She didn't ask...they cut the grass and otherwise enquired about my welfare.

    My wife and I highly valued our cultural experiences of living and traveling in various overseas locations from the age of 25 onwards. We did not judge them...we learned from them and adapted our lifestyles to theirs...where we shopped, the food we ate, how we traveled, who we socialized with. Living in Libya, the young Libyan boy who took care of our yard liked to tell us "Libyan jokes" to practice his English, but the problem was he couldn't get out the punch line before he started laughing so hard. It was our first exposure to Islam and rituals like daily calls to prayer. I admit to finding much of it strange at the time, but I was also wanting to learn. We still have a copy of the Qu'ran compliments of Gaddafi printed in two languages. I have actually referred to it from time to time, particularly in comparing Christianity to Islam.

    In my travels in Russia, I met Boris through my company. We went on a field trip with a bunch of their colleagues. Boris got drunk on too much vodka and said he wanted to box me...all in good nature. He said I had the shoulders of a boxer. It was all in fun, but it helped mold my views of Russians, not only of Boris but so many of the other Russians I met. If you want to get to know the Russians, you need to drink vodka with them. If you want to know the British, you spend time drinking pints of bitter with them in a pub. The point I am making is that there is good in most every person if you take the time to look for it and not be judgmental. Life is too short to be continually critical of "the other".

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    Schmidt Wrote: I read opinion polls of how foreign countries view the USA, and they do not convey the "they hate our guts" image. That may be your feeling, but I will respectfully disagree again.

    This sentence stuck out to me because I've traveled extensively in recent years and I can't tell you how many people I've met that expressed their love for the American people and our current President. I've engaged with people throughout South America, Ireland, and mainland Europe and the vast majority of them hold us in high regard and are happy that we seem to be moving away from the cowboy style diplomacy that defined the Bush years.

    The vast majority of countries, as you can see in the most recent Pew Global poll, have an extremely favorable opinion of the United States. The ones that don't are, not surprisingly, from the Middle East and Russia. Nearly every other country polled have overwhelmingly positive views of the United States.

    With regards to your original posting--I'm glad that Donald Trump is telling the truth for once. Bush was President when 9/11 happened. That is a fact. I've grown so tired of Republicans calling him a hero for keeping us safe. He ignored numerous memos screaming that an attack was imminent and expects us to just blindly fall in line and praise him for keeping us safe after 3,000 Americans were killed in a terrorist attack against our country?

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    Bush's responsibility to foresee and prepare readiness to prevent 911 seems to me to be the same responsibility Hillary had in regards to Benghazi. I don't know that anybody can have any relevance in the huge complications of this world. Schmidt mentioned personal experience. I think people try to rationalize the effects of many years of policy to be the result of last week's decision. Like parents that didn't raise their kids to be bad when kids turn out bad, but take credit for successful kids because that's the way they raised them. Parents may have some small effect on the outcome of their children, but thank god it is very little . Same thing goes with the results of years of policy. One thing has been constant to both parties. Israel. Supporting Israel in a situation where there is no solution puts us at odds with a larger part of that region.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote: I read opinion polls of how foreign countries view the USA, and they do not convey the "they hate our guts" image. That may be your feeling, but I will respectfully disagree again.

    This sentence stuck out to me because I've traveled extensively in recent years and I can't tell you how many people I've met that expressed their love for the American people and our current President. I've engaged with people throughout South America, Ireland, and mainland Europe and the vast majority of them hold us in high regard and are happy that we seem to be moving away from the cowboy style diplomacy that defined the Bush years.

    The vast majority of countries, as you can see in the most recent Pew Global poll, have an extremely favorable opinion of the United States. The ones that don't are, not surprisingly, from the Middle East and Russia. Nearly every other country polled have overwhelmingly positive views of the United States.

    With regards to your original posting--I'm glad that Donald Trump is telling the truth for once. Bush was President when 9/11 happened. That is a fact. I've grown so tired of Republicans calling him a hero for keeping us safe. He ignored numerous memos screaming that an attack was imminent and expects us to just blindly fall in line and praise him for keeping us safe after 3,000 Americans were killed in a terrorist attack against our country?

    Both Schmidt and Jared show that you have no clue. First of all the article published by Schmidt only reflects on how the Dutch view American people not what our Government, Wall Street, Pentagon, foreign policies, American greed etc. on how it is viewed by Europeans. Sure to your face they will say that they like you but behind your back they will say a bunch of assholes. Furthermore they don't like the NATO pushed down their throat agreement, so they hate to be forcefully get involved in the wars we started. Also the corruption used by us to get a foothold in all kind of things. Sure they "like" the tourist for their money which they leave behind but that is just about all. But surely they hate us for all the refugees pouring into western Europe on top of all the other things. Wake up Schmidt and Jared you've got blinders on. Learn for a change to look at the US from a distance and what we do in this world playing the bully.
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: As the DNC debate provided some references to Bernie desiring to make America like the Dutch (Democratic Socialism), with whole lot of socialism, more media reports are coming forward that show pro and con of a Dutch society. I can agree there are some good examples of the Dutch, however, I would be against the over 60% taxation in the country. Currently, since the Dutch did not go Euro, they are managing their own currency, but using the Euro the same. The Dutch are hurting economically by the slow progress of their GDP. The Dutch is suffering with a horrid economy and are worse off than America. There may be some benefits of the Dutch system, but they do no have all the answers and like it was said earlier it's no wonder more people are desiring to come to America than they are the Dutch-land. I asked some young students in my class recently, what makes Denmark or Netherlands society so attractive to people like Bernie Sanders. These young kids who are not on the political scene yet in their lives, were all chanting "USA, USA, USA". They knew that Bernie was a Democratic Socialist and I cautioned them about getting caught up in the political dogma of presidential race. I urged them to use their own minds and gather wisdom about pros and cons of socialism and consider that our capitalistic economy could learn some things from socialism. The way I look at the world is nobody has the perfect solutions in politics of a nation and that all should evolve into a improved blend of social governing. Bernie may be many as a choice, just as Trump may be many a choice, but both stray from the narrow line of improvement. Each have their problems, which I feel "most" Americans will vote for the candidate that walks the line of a better America. To capture Trump as having the answer to 9-11, that is so over-the-top of ridiculous statements. People get over it, it happened, lets move on by learning from everybody's mistakes. Trump, never had the ideas when it happened on what to do, he is lies to inform the public for his electability that he would of did something different. Well, guess what, Trump didn't and probably was busy building his Trump empire and to hell with 9-11, it didn't impact his fortune.

    What school did you go to? Sorry the Dutch use the EURO since 2000; their GDP is one of the best besides Germany etc.

    What country are you talking about? England? ( They are in the EU but still use the Pound) So you better get your "school" money back. Sorry you have no idea where you are talking about. At least the Dutch are not suffering at all thanks to a socialistic system. No one sleeps on the street as they here do. The only reason people leave the Netherlands is either job related or climate related ( it rains an awful lot with little sunshine) plenty of them move to Spain or southern France like I did because of the weather. All the Dutch I know here came to the US because of their job or job related business. Right now about 150 thousand people left but 180 thousand refugees came in. It is only an overcrowded country with around 20 million people on a postage stamp. Do me a favor and "study" some of that instead of "bibles"

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    Dutch Wrote: Wake up Schmidt and Jared you've got blinders on. Learn for a change to look at the US from a distance and what we do in this world playing the bully.

    Maybe it's you who needs to wake up. If you hate America so much then why do you continue to stay here? Because you have to pay for your return back to Europe? That seems like a pretty lame excuse if you hate it so much here.

    Here's the truth--the vast majority of the world holds a favorable opinion of America. That opinion sunk to new lows during the Bush years, but has rebounded resoundingly during the Obama years. That is a fact. Are you honestly suggesting that the entire world is just answering a nonpartisan research poll by a well respected organization just to make us Americans feel better? Give me a break.

    Regardless--how does the world view of American policies have anything to do with Donald Trump saying that Bush was President during 9/11?

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    Dutch Wrote: At least the Dutch are not suffering at all thanks to a socialistic system. No one sleeps on the street as they here do.

    The Netherlands has a total population of 16.8 million people. That is less than half the population of California. The Netherlands also greatly restricts the number of immigrants it accepts and places draconian demands on them before, during, and after they accept new immigrants. That's just a fact.

    It's easy to say no one sleeps on the streets when a country is small and they pick and choose each and every person that can reside there with draconian immigration laws. It's a little more difficult when you a are a country of over 300 million and have people of all races and cultures spread out from coast to coast.