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The drone dilema

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  • Independent
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    A "whistleblower" has published that only less than 35% of any drone strikes are on target ( if there is a target at all) also the figure of who or what gets killed is hugely distorted on purpose. The article said as well ( as I've been saying over and over) that we have no success with it at all compared to its cost and having fewer terrorists; it creates only plenty more enemy's. Slowly but surely the whole world will hate us, Congratulations America you invented a tool which does more harm than good..
  • Liberal
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    Dutch Wrote: A "whistleblower" has published that only less than 35% of any drone strikes are on target ( if there is a target at all) also the figure of who or what gets killed is hugely distorted on purpose. The article said as well ( as I've been saying over and over) that we have no success with it at all compared to its cost and having fewer terrorists; it creates only plenty more enemy's. Slowly but surely the whole world will hate us, Congratulations America you invented a tool which does more harm than good..

    No surprise!

    We should have just pulled out of the Middle East years ago. We have accomplished nothing there other than turning them all against us.

    Why do they hate us so much? How would we feel if they did to us what we have done to them? We are as much to fault as anyone, not to mention the oil companies! What goes around comes around.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    We with the British were instrumental in empowering Mohammad Reza Pahlavi as Shah of Iran. He maintained power through torture and imprisonment. I knew a nephew of Reza Pahlavi in college. He had more spending money in a semester than my parents made in a year. He told me how the Shah ruled with fear and he was in fear when he went home. He talked about the Shah's intention to nationalize the oil reserves. The US is associated with multiple rulers that were evil but made deals with the US and England. If the people in the middle east know very little at all they know the US caused them fear.
  • Independent
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    drones allow for a much easier leap to war. that they sow dragon's teeth is ignored by the vast majority (imo) of americans who are bloodthirsty to prove "we're #1".
  • Democrat
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    Drones enable the tool for Artificial Intelligence (AI) to be used, if not already. AI is programmers dream for rule-based drama solving a problem. The problem is whatever, the programmer has been told to solve. Geography analysis, attack parameters. defensive measures, and of course the "best guess" who the enemy is to destroy. So, drones are very useful using AI. We already have drones on the ground as well as in the air, so whoever, identifies the use of an AI parameter to be used is the real question for the pacifist to reveal. Get over it, it's here from micro-minature to large drones using AI. There is no area that AI cannot use or be used on to perform it's mission. Example: A drone is launched with a preprogrammed mission (no hands on by the operator) and is completely automated. The drone while on mission determines where the mission is to take place and looks for it with some AI defined parameters to distinguish a clear objective from some unfamiliar territory. Once the drone locates the mission area, it goes into a preplanned/programmed objective to further locate attack objects (human, buildings, installations, aircraft, ships, whatever). After the mission objective finally located from the recognized territory, the drone selects an offensive weapon and fires. After firing and the drone uses AI to determine satisfactory results, it happily comes home. This is an raw example of how a drone with AI can be used within todays technology and be used without any human connection. Just launch and go watch TV, the drone will conduct it's objective completely.

    Drones are useful in that all one needs is a skilled group of programmers writing the subroutines and software for an AI routine to offensive and defensive missions. The drone itself can be so advanced that no human pilot can maneuver the flight, which enables the drone to be extremely deadly in battles with the opposition. In this scenario, it appears it's just a good video game that are children use daily. The video game is placing the competition of a human with the preprogrammed response of a software package. Yes, AI is inside many video games. They game learns by your motions and recreates a different competitive move that you did not see before. That's AI. Drones are perfect for AI. Next comes the Terminator!

  • Independent
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    As I said many times you are so indoctrinated in military garbage that you never will see the real truth about all our military actions. Since WWII how much did we spent on useless lost wars and on military expansion and wasted life's costing trillions. Are we safer now than in 1948? I doubt it, we've created only more enemy's by all our actions and military toys than ever.

    What did we ever got back for it? VA hospitals and gun toting nut heads?

    Wake up stop glorifying military robots and its killing toys. Sorry, a very sick mentality indeed.

  • Liberal
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    How true, Dutch! The US military lovers are the ones to blame for US aggression. If it weren't for these people who glorify war and aggression by spreading fear and lies about how the rest of the world lives and thinks, this might actually be a safer country to live in (other than the fraidy cat concealed carry nutters anyhow)!
  • Democrat
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    It maybe military garbage to you, but the drone industry and the advances in AI have produced a very capable tool for whoever that uses it. Granted military, NASA, medical and security are using these drones. Imagine a small drone that travels through the blood stream to investigate cancers, tumors, diseases and body functions. In this example, a drone is very useful to humanity. I can see your disgust in drones used in the military and can't help you or will not help you understand it. Although much of what I am saying is true and has been true for decades. It's just getting more public scrutiny because the drone industry is making lucrative deals and almost all of society. Most drones that the public are aware of don't use AI and is manually controlled by an RF link. Those drone units at the local store, they are fun to play with and take great pictures. Enterprising people and criminals are beginning to adapt drones with all sorts of tool sets, including weapons. Our Police and Government Security forces are very aware of these dangerous drones and are on the lookout for them. The drone industry is an ongoing science of discovery and enterprise with society fascinated in what the drone can be used for.

    No, it's not garbage or false. It is factual and what is happening rather you like it or not, ask some people who play them. If they have any tech sense, they will inform you much of what I have indicated. So, educate yourself on drone technology and science and you'll be amazed people are planning to do with them.

  • Liberal
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    As usual you miss the whole point! We are talking about the military and their use of drones, NOT civilian or medical uses!
  • Independent
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    Yes P.R. some people don't think but only wish to be indoctrinated and close their eyes for all the havoc we create in this world. We put our noses into everything what happens in this world and mostly screw things up for the worse. Trump said something like that and immediately got shot down by Jeb Bush. While his brother is the biggest criminal ever. The worst part of drones is that the Pentagon keeps its mouth shut and it takes a whistle blower to find out the truth. But some indoctrinated people keep waving flags and say; that keeps us safe. Unbelievable.
  • Democrat
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    If you enjoy my posts than you will really love the article on Politico this morning, "I was a Drone pilot for 11 years.....". Enjoy and look forward to your favorite comments. I can only anticipate.

    Although you intended to mean only a drone thread subject as anti-military use, you forgot to mention that, thus I intentionally made references of how drones are being used non-military and for humanitarian uses. So, if the military uses the drones to recon an area for terrorists, such as in Africa looking for those that are stealing women and children for their terror agenda, than that's wrong? So, if the military is using the drones to scout the waters and territory for drug and human traffickers, than that's wrong? So, if the military is using the drones to overlook our streets and public areas for terrorist acts, than that's wrong?

    You all need to bring it home with credible criticism of drone technologies, because drone use is favored by most all industry today. There's drones in our future. I saw a drone selling for $1200 this morning with camera ready use and all controlled by your IPhone App. I would not be leisurely basking in the sun nude in my backyard thinking you are not being watched, unless you are wiling to let people see your worst of things that dangle. That's a drone hovering high above your residence and it's probably controlled by you neighbor.

  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:

    If you enjoy my posts than you will really love the article on Politico this morning, "I was a Drone pilot for 11 years.....". Enjoy and look forward to your favorite comments. I can only anticipate.

    Although you intended to mean only a drone thread subject as anti-military use, you forgot to mention that, thus I intentionally made references of how drones are being used non-military and for humanitarian uses. So, if the military uses the drones to recon an area for terrorists, such as in Africa looking for those that are stealing women and children for their terror agenda, than that's wrong? So, if the military is using the drones to scout the waters and territory for drug and human traffickers, than that's wrong? So, if the military is using the drones to overlook our streets and public areas for terrorist acts, than that's wrong?

    You all need to bring it home with credible criticism of drone technologies, because drone use is favored by most all industry today. There's drones in our future. I saw a drone selling for $1200 this morning with camera ready use and all controlled by your IPhone App. I would not be leisurely basking in the sun nude in my backyard thinking you are not being watched, unless you are wiling to let people see your worst of things that dangle. That's a drone hovering high above your residence and it's probably controlled by you neighbor.

    Just keep sticking your head in the sand; unbelievable. Like P.R. we are talking about killing plenty of innocent people by MEANS of drones. If that happened to you, would you love the US war machine?; may be you would, because you have a totally indoctrinated mind, while your family is being buried..
  • Democrat
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    What's the difference, drone or gun, knife, hammer, fork, ink pen, bat, or whatever, they all can kill by someone. Making reference to drones alone is naïve and narrow-minded. A drone is nothing but a tool, toy, or in your case a weapon. Yes, a drone can kill if that is it's intended purpose, but it can also be a great way to use in society. Making a determination that a drone is bad is not realistic thinking. Like the gun, "It's not the gun that kills, it's the person holding the gun that kills.". A drone is just another thing to use by mankind. Change mankind and you will change the way drones are used. That is a fact.

    An article on the internet today informs the public how robots are taking our white-collar jobs. Oh no! Another drone like mechanism that imperials our job, pay, and productivity. Watch the movie "Robot" starring Will Smith and you'll be thrilled by all the drone robots with AI taking over mankind. Saying the drone has done more harm than good, is just plain stupid. Open your eyes and minds and you'll discover that drones are more plentiful and make improvements in society than you realize.

  • Liberal
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    I'm just waiting for the first pimply faced geek that takes down a passenger plane with his drone that Santa brought him for Xmas for being a good boy and exceptional 'merican!

    That's when the shit will hit the fan and belatedly we start putting restrictions on drones and where and who can use them.

    Perhaps all the fraidy cat gun nuts will start shooting them down assuming they are fureners spying on them - something for everyone - what a wonderful society we live in!

  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:

    What's the difference, drone or gun, knife, hammer, fork, ink pen, bat, or whatever, they all can kill by someone. Making reference to drones alone is naïve and narrow-minded. A drone is nothing but a tool, toy, or in your case a weapon. Yes, a drone can kill if that is it's intended purpose, but it can also be a great way to use in society. Making a determination that a drone is bad is not realistic thinking. Like the gun, "It's not the gun that kills, it's the person holding the gun that kills.". A drone is just another thing to use by mankind. Change mankind and you will change the way drones are used. That is a fact.

    An article on the internet today informs the public how robots are taking our white-collar jobs. Oh no! Another drone like mechanism that imperials our job, pay, and productivity. Watch the movie "Robot" starring Will Smith and you'll be thrilled by all the drone robots with AI taking over mankind. Saying the drone has done more harm than good, is just plain stupid. Open your eyes and minds and you'll discover that drones are more plentiful and make improvements in society than you realize.

    Do you ever think? What is nicer then that you don't have to use a gun, but sit relaxed in our armchair with a beer and kill an whole village of people who you never met or seen or did you harm with the push of a button. Indeed you live in la la land and continuously refuse to accept or see reality as long as it does not affect you. Just polish up your medals; be proud of it. I'm going to throw up.