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NASA Confirms There is Water on Mars Surface

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    TJ Wrote: Plant crops ? Imagine the tiny oxygen masks that we'll need for the bee's to pollinate the new crops. Oh wait....no bee's.

    Ha. Nice, but sad, way to bring up the fact that bee's are going through a mass extinction before our very eyes.

    I am not naive enough to think that this would be easy or fast, but I just don't get why anyone would be opposed to the human species using our ingenuity to create habitable living conditions on our neighboring planet. I'm not looking at this as a "us versus the world" thing either. This should be something the entire world rallies behind and works on together.

    I think we should start "rallying" for other things first, like a lasting peace in the middle east for instance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And a lot of other things!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Dutch Wrote: I think we should start "rallying" for other things first, like a lasting peace in the middle east for instance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And a lot of other things!!!!!!!!!!!

    We should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

    Should we do no space exploration at all until there is a lasting peace in the Middle-East? Or should we do no space exploration at all until we figure out a way to end the African and Near East wars that have been going on under the radar for decades? The number of innocent people dying in those conflicts dwarfs those of Syria and Iraq combined. I'm sorry, but I don't think that finding a way to end wars in far off lands should be a prerequisite for space exploration.

    With regards to your "lot of other things" statement, I will say that is imperative that we explore not only the possibility of colonizing and creating an atmosphere on Mars, but figuring out a way to tap into comets and asteroids that are filled with materials that we humans are dependent on to survive. Let's say we figure out a way to drill into a comet and bring back the water they contain to earth to help alleviate droughts. A single comet contains trillions upon trillions of pounds of ice.

    And I'm sure you will agree that your viewpoints have more to do with American foreign imperialism and less to do with NASA's budget. NASA has a budget of 17.647 billion dollars a year. The military's budget, in contrast, is $619 billion dollars a year. Would you be fine with NASA seeing their budget increased if the money came from a dramatic cut to the military's budget?

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: I think we should start "rallying" for other things first, like a lasting peace in the middle east for instance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And a lot of other things!!!!!!!!!!!

    We should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

    Should we do no space exploration at all until there is a lasting peace in the Middle-East? Or should we do no space exploration at all until we figure out a way to end the African and Near East wars that have been going on under the radar for decades? The number of innocent people dying in those conflicts dwarfs those of Syria and Iraq combined. I'm sorry, but I don't think that finding a way to end wars in far off lands should be a prerequisite for space exploration.

    With regards to your "lot of other things" statement, I will say that is imperative that we explore not only the possibility of colonizing and creating an atmosphere on Mars, but figuring out a way to tap into comets and asteroids that are filled with materials that we humans are dependent on to survive. Let's say we figure out a way to drill into a comet and bring back the water they contain to earth to help alleviate droughts. A single comet contains trillions upon trillions of pounds of ice.

    And I'm sure you will agree that your viewpoints have more to do with American foreign imperialism and less to do with NASA's budget. NASA has a budget of 17.647 billion dollars a year. The military's budget, in contrast, is $619 billion dollars a year. Would you be fine with NASA seeing their budget increased if the money came from a dramatic cut to the military's budget?

    Jared, you must be kidding about your water story; if you think you can transport water from one planet to the other at no cost, then it is just funny. Then water here would cost at least $3000 a gallon. No, you look at too many fantasy movies. Lets use the 17.6 billion spent, for infrastructure instead . I'm a realist and think that people are bound to this planet. Space exploration is a nice "hobby" but does not improve the mentality of he human race, nor will the universe tolerate that we spoil another planet.
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    When humans (homo sapiens) evolved in Africa some 200,000 years ago, it took them a while before they decided it's time to move on. So it wasn't until some 80,000 years ago they migrated out of Africa to not only displace the Neanderthals in Europe (of course they interbred with the Neanderthals first before they were eradicated from the planet), but also to explore, finding their way into the Far East and the Americas by crossing the Bearing Sea. But not only that, they found their way into many islands across the planet, the biggest being Australia. They were explorers on land and on the seas. Modern humans have it in their DNA to explore...into space, the final frontier where no man has gone before.

    As a Star Trek addict I can only imagine and dream what lies in store for the human race. We do know with absolute certainty that our planet as well as all the planets in our solar system will be swallowed up by the sun, but long before then our future may be taken from us by a giant meteor or some other celestial event. Or perhaps nuclear holocaust. I'm one who supports every penny of my tax dollars that go to funding NASA's programs. Let's cut our military budget before we cut anything else.

    Wars and genocide have been existing on this planet ever since humans evolved and religion was invented. We will never solve that problem.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    When humans (homo sapiens) evolved in Africa some 200,000 years ago, it took them a while before they decided it's time to move on. So it wasn't until some 80,000 years ago they migrated out of Africa to not only displace the Neanderthals in Europe (of course they interbred with the Neanderthals first before they were eradicated from the planet), but also to explore, finding their way into the Far East and the Americas by crossing the Bearing Sea. But not only that, they found their way into many islands across the planet, the biggest being Australia. They were explorers on land and on the seas. Modern humans have it in their DNA to explore...into space, the final frontier where no man has gone before.

    As a Star Trek addict I can only imagine and dream what lies in store for the human race. We do know with absolute certainty that our planet as well as all the planets in our solar system will be swallowed up by the sun, but long before then our future may be taken from us by a giant meteor or some other celestial event. Or perhaps nuclear holocaust. I'm one who supports every penny of my tax dollars that go to funding NASA's programs. Let's cut our military budget before we cut anything else.

    Wars and genocide have been existing on this planet ever since humans evolved and religion was invented. We will never solve that problem.

    Schmidt; Wow A Star Trek addict? I always thought you had both feet on the ground; Do I smell "indoctrination"? Sorry even if you are right, you and I will not be around if ever people will settle on an other planet. Personally, I don't watch Star Trek; it's more for kids. Anyway ants do the same thing, they explore too. ( But don't spent money to do so) Sorry to say there are much more important things to clear up on this planet; if we become extinct on this planet due to our own stupidity (may be sooner than you think); then no one will go to outerspace or settle there. I think that may become the truth.
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    When humans (homo sapiens) evolved in Africa some 200,000 years ago, it took them a while before they decided it's time to move on. So it wasn't until some 80,000 years ago they migrated out of Africa to not only displace the Neanderthals in Europe (of course they interbred with the Neanderthals first before they were eradicated from the planet), but also to explore, finding their way into the Far East and the Americas by crossing the Bearing Sea. But not only that, they found their way into many islands across the planet, the biggest being Australia. They were explorers on land and on the seas. Modern humans have it in their DNA to explore...into space, the final frontier where no man has gone before.

    As a Star Trek addict I can only imagine and dream what lies in store for the human race. We do know with absolute certainty that our planet as well as all the planets in our solar system will be swallowed up by the sun, but long before then our future may be taken from us by a giant meteor or some other celestial event. Or perhaps nuclear holocaust. I'm one who supports every penny of my tax dollars that go to funding NASA's programs. Let's cut our military budget before we cut anything else.

    Wars and genocide have been existing on this planet ever since humans evolved and religion was invented. We will never solve that problem.

    Well said Schmidt. You and I both know that the earth will one day cease to exist, but we are the only species that we currently know of that actually have the ability to choose our own destiny. Will we die off like so many species that inhabited this planet before us or will we be able to break the mold and find a way for our species to survive for all of eternity?

    To be honest, I don't understand why this is controversial in the first place.

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    Dutch -- Space exploration is much more than planning for the eventual demise of our planet. I love our space exploration program that sends unmanned ships to take pictures of Pluto and its moons...and Jupiter and Saturn and Mars. But mostly I am consumed by looking up into the sky on a moonless night to be taken in by the vastness of our universe and the 100 octillion stars, or 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars ("1" with 29 zeros)...not to mention the black holes, nebulae and galaxies. I love all the photos of deep space objects taken with the Hubble Telescope.

    Looking at the images taken by the Hubble Telescope, one cannot help but feel awe at how it all came about and how insignificant we are individually in space and time.

    Space is a form of escapism for me. Some people watch football or soaps. Some are consumed in making money. Some are into meditation and yoga. Some just drink beer at a bar. However, drinking beer on a dark night and staring into space is therapeutic. You should try it without any distractions...no loud music, cars driving by or street lights. Just silence and darkness except for all the celestial bodies and a bottle of Heineken.

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    Space travel sounds fabulous. Sad part is that only a small number will be able to participate. This is because of the expense. Fast forward many many years to when there's life, water, houses, etc. on Mars. It will be a treat for the rich. Unattainable for the middle class guy in Iowa. That is what limits my interest. Yes it is wonderful there, but you have far too little cash or credit so you'll be staying here on Earth, The wealthy persons (disproportionately Republican) will say "Those poor bastards can stay there with the acid rain and other pollution" .
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    Just saw the "The Martian", which is an excellent movie to enjoy. No, I didn't see any water in the movie other than the water that Matt Damon (actor) made from pure science. He also planted crops, of course using astronaut poop, and the potato scraps in meal packs. Movie is great, but still shows it as an extremely harsh environment.

    Now I'm seeing a variety of Martian stuff on the Internet. Even a report on, "how long may a person survive with just a tee-short and jeans in the Martian environment"? With all this hype on Mars, I assume our society is now ready to pack up and go for a Sunday drive to Mars. Just bring enough beer unless you know how to make it.

    Encourage all to go see the movie, it's fun.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Dutch -- Space exploration is much more than planning for the eventual demise of our planet. I love our space exploration program that sends unmanned ships to take pictures of Pluto and its moons...and Jupiter and Saturn and Mars. But mostly I am consumed by looking up into the sky on a moonless night to be taken in by the vastness of our universe and the 100 octillion stars, or 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars ("1" with 29 zeros)...not to mention the black holes, nebulae and galaxies. I love all the photos of deep space objects taken with the Hubble Telescope.

    Looking at the images taken by the Hubble Telescope, one cannot help but feel awe at how it all came about and how insignificant we are individually in space and time.

    Space is a form of escapism for me. Some people watch football or soaps. Some are consumed in making money. Some are into meditation and yoga. Some just drink beer at a bar. However, drinking beer on a dark night and staring into space is therapeutic. You should try it without any distractions...no loud music, cars driving by or street lights. Just silence and darkness except for all the celestial bodies and a bottle of Heineken.

    Schmidt, I hope you read all my mails in the past, about how insignificant people are in the universe (especially related to religion). So in that respect we are fully in agreement; as you know I came from the aviation industry; thus have some ides what is involved in planning and logistics. However as you said it is nice to dream, but reality is something else. If it was the Moon instead of Mars, that would be more simple as well the cost factor. So I will remind you ( if I'm still alive by that time) if we have people on Mars; the "resupply/logistics" is going to be a death warrant for any of these people. Take it from me.

    As a separate but related issue is the space station; as know Obama is kind of mad at the Russians because of their Syria bombing; if that escalates, then Putin may use the space station as a political tool, since the Russians still do the majority of supply to it. Or if things get worse, throw the Americans out of the thing and claim it to be their property or destroy the thing. Who knows, the thing is getting older as well so why keep pumping money in it?. I don't like Trump, but he said something sensible for a change: We should get out of all our wars and spent that money on infrastructure here in the US. and let the Russians play with Syria etc. Wow, I just about fell of my chair.