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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Do to greed making credit card Money flow quickly and easily one morning we are going to wake up to the reality of compromised credit card data. Some terrorist group is going to hit the execute button and transfer trillions of dollars into their account. That is a 99.9 reality. The only thing holding it off is the terrorist are not sure how the 1/10 will react. Everything is in place for a mass transfer. I think the only reason the danger is not talked about is that credit companies don't want to mess with the money stream.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Do to greed making credit card Money flow quickly and easily one morning we are going to wake up to the reality of compromised credit card data. Some terrorist group is going to hit the execute button and transfer trillions of dollars into their account. That is a 99.9 reality. The only thing holding it off is the terrorist are not sure how the 1/10 will react. Everything is in place for a mass transfer. I think the only reason the danger is not talked about is that credit companies don't want to mess with the money stream.

    Saying that it is a 99.9% reality, is a bit off. I think you mean 'possibility'? I would say the percentage of any terrorist group pulling something like that off today would be extremely small. Of course it is possible that at some point there is a huge amount stolen from CC info and put into a terrorist organization. There is a lot more holding them off than just how "1/10 will react". If that were the case, they would of done it already.

    Please explain what you mean by, "everything is in place for a mass transfer". Unless you know something I don't, that is a massive over reach for simply saying that all the info is out there, they just need the tech, education, and all other components in place to pull something of that stature off.

    Of course the CC companies don't want the money train hijacked. But again, I don't see this as a situation where the bad guys have their finger on the trigger just waiting to pull. They have done a hell of a lot worse in public than steal money. That wouldn't be anything to them.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I have had $2700 taken illegally out of one of my cards and put back in in the last 6 months. There is no lacking in the technology to transfer the money. On the small side there have already been millions scammed. Right after the money was taken out I was buying a car on eBay. I did due diligence all the way through and right at the very last instant when I was ready to put the pay pal money in their account I caught it. I told the girl I could be on a plane and pick the car up the very next morning she said the car was in a container ready to be shipped. I said the obvious which I shouldn't have had to say that it would save money if I came and got the car. When she started to offer another reason I said okay that I would transfer the money. I hung up and started to report the scam. Got absolutely no where was told it happens all the time. The girl kept emailing me inquiring when I was going to transfer the money. There is nothing stopping a massive transfer and the only thing more amazing about the possibility of the massive theft is the mind boggling disinterest by law enforcement and in my case eBay. The only thing I got from eBay was an acknowledgement of my reporting the incident. Just like 2008 was inevitable and worse yet obvious so is the potential for a global theft online. 2008 has been happening regularly and cyclically changing in only name and convenient timely circumstances. The ballon with the credit cards is the insurance paying off the thefts on a per instance of occurrence. The allusion to the one tenth was a humorous jab at how they would retaliate to messing with their money. The only unknown is the fact that nothing has happened. It has already been demonstrated that nothing is secure. The risk involved in compromising the pentagon's security is something that can only be sustained by an illegal or a sovereign. Mining, access, evaluating and execution security breaks exceeds any small or casual enterprise. Another observation is that the data thefts certainly do not harm the interests of hedging. On the contrary it adds activity and meaning to futures trading. Especially now that futures trading has expanded into immunity. Bold enough to almost be catch me if you can. Notice how they acknowledge billions lost to identity theft (I'll check that figure)*** with relatively no outrage or prosecution. Not a conspiracon just an observation.

    *** 24.7 billion with total loss in excess of 100 billion

  • Center Left
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Right after the money was taken out I was buying a car on eBay. I did due diligence all the way through and right at the very last instant when I was ready to put the pay pal money in their account I caught it. I told the girl I could be on a plane and pick the car up the very next morning she said the car was in a container ready to be shipped. I said the obvious which I shouldn't have had to say that it would save money if I came and got the car. When she started to offer another reason I said okay that I would transfer the money. I hung up and started to report the scam. Got absolutely no where was told it happens all the time. The girl kept emailing me inquiring when I was going to transfer the money. There is nothing stopping a massive transfer and the only thing more amazing about the possibility of the massive theft is the mind boggling disinterest by law enforcement and in my case eBay. The only thing I got from eBay was an acknowledgement of my reporting the incident.

    To be completely fair, it is never a good idea to purchase a vehicle of EBay. Never. Unless it is your next door neighbor and it was a coincidence you caught it. Also are you saying you caught the scam just before it happened, and no money was transferred? If so, that is the reason the police and Ebay didn't get involved. They cannot predict the future. They can also not do anything about a crime that hasn't been committed yet. So if the transfer didn't happen, and no one scammed you, there was no crime. It doesn't matter if they almost scammed you.

    Those kinds of scams are a common sense type thing. Never buy anything like that off eBay unless it is from a reputable company. Never buy from someone wanting you to transfer the money to a 3rd party. Never buy from someone who is obviously requesting too much from the buyer. Most anyone who knows how to purchase anything online knows that these days.

    I have had my CC hacked and 1,500 stolen from me in one day. I contacted my bank, told them what happened, they had me come in to speak with a rep, we figured it out and had my money back in 5 days. Of course, I didn't want it to happen, but it did. The bank handled it professionally and I got returned to me what was mine. They said this happens every day and to contact the police, so I did. The police told me that there is a very tiny chance of catching anyone involved. I understood that due to how many of those calls they get a day and the fact tracing someone electronically rather than physically is harder.

    My point in bringing that up is that I think you are going way overboard with the thought that the "bad guys" are waiting with their finger on a GO button to make this transfer. It's just not the case. If they could do so, they would have done it already. Stealing 1k here and there is much different from stealing the trillions that you are referring to. If would have to be a global strike, and almost simultaneous to pull something like that off. I can't think of a group in the world (that I know of) that would have the tech, resources, to make that happen. Not to mention the group would have to have a bank/s that was extremely terrorist friendly. Oh yeah, and also could figure out how to hid the fact that they just came across trillions of dollars the same day as trillions of dollars was stolen.

    It's just not feasible.

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    ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Right after the money was taken out I was buying a car on eBay. I did due diligence all the way through and right at the very last instant when I was ready to put the pay pal money in their account I caught it. I told the girl I could be on a plane and pick the car up the very next morning she said the car was in a container ready to be shipped. I said the obvious which I shouldn't have had to say that it would save money if I came and got the car. When she started to offer another reason I said okay that I would transfer the money. I hung up and started to report the scam. Got absolutely no where was told it happens all the time. The girl kept emailing me inquiring when I was going to transfer the money. There is nothing stopping a massive transfer and the only thing more amazing about the possibility of the massive theft is the mind boggling disinterest by law enforcement and in my case eBay. The only thing I got from eBay was an acknowledgement of my reporting the incident.

    To be completely fair, it is never a good idea to purchase a vehicle of EBay. Never. Unless it is your next door neighbor and it was a coincidence you caught it. Also are you saying you caught the scam just before it happened, and no money was transferred? If so, that is the reason the police and Ebay didn't get involved. They cannot predict the future. They can also not do anything about a crime that hasn't been committed yet. So if the transfer didn't happen, and no one scammed you, there was no crime. It doesn't matter if they almost scammed you.

    Those kinds of scams are a common sense type thing. Never buy anything like that off eBay unless it is from a reputable company. Never buy from someone wanting you to transfer the money to a 3rd party. Never buy from someone who is obviously requesting too much from the buyer. Most anyone who knows how to purchase anything online knows that these days.

    I have had my CC hacked and 1,500 stolen from me in one day. I contacted my bank, told them what happened, they had me come in to speak with a rep, we figured it out and had my money back in 5 days. Of course, I didn't want it to happen, but it did. The bank handled it professionally and I got returned to me what was mine. They said this happens every day and to contact the police, so I did. The police told me that there is a very tiny chance of catching anyone involved. I understood that due to how many of those calls they get a day and the fact tracing someone electronically rather than physically is harder.

    My point in bringing that up is that I think you are going way overboard with the thought that the "bad guys" are waiting with their finger on a GO button to make this transfer. It's just not the case. If they could do so, they would have done it already. Stealing 1k here and there is much different from stealing the trillions that you are referring to. If would have to be a global strike, and almost simultaneous to pull something like that off. I can't think of a group in the world (that I know of) that would have the tech, resources, to make that happen. Not to mention the group would have to have a bank/s that was extremely terrorist friendly. Oh yeah, and also could figure out how to hid the fact that they just came across trillions of dollars the same day as trillions of dollars was stolen.

    It's just not feasible.

    I do plenty of transactions on E-Bay; sure if you smell a rat then I'll stop immediately; like a "girl" who offered me a great Aston Martin and would deliver it to my home. What is wrong with that picture? Scams are easy to spot if you just deal with your eyes open; never transfer money to the unknown. Check out the person/dealer whom you bought from, before paying; if it is a car, arrange the transport yourself and inspect the car yourself or have a specialist who you hire do it for you and sent you a full report. I always got what I wanted.
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    It could have been the same terrorist that have all these "camps" placed all over the country......OR.....Little Red Robbin Hood, Pokemon, and Felix the cat

    That is a 99.99999 percent reality. OHHHH OHHHH someone may be drinking out of the "insane" punch bowl again.

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    L.A. Citizen Wrote:

    It could have been the same terrorist that have all these "camps" placed all over the country......OR.....Little Red Robbin Hood, Pokemon, and Felix the cat

    That is a 99.99999 percent reality. OHHHH OHHHH someone may be drinking out of the "insane" punch bowl again.

    Mockery is not necessary here. Chet has a concern, no matter the merit. If you could, I'd like to keep this conversation friendly so we can proceed with a healthy talk. Not one that has these type of remarks.
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    ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
    L.A. Citizen Wrote:

    It could have been the same terrorist that have all these "camps" placed all over the country......OR.....Little Red Robbin Hood, Pokemon, and Felix the cat

    That is a 99.99999 percent reality. OHHHH OHHHH someone may be drinking out of the "insane" punch bowl again.

    Mockery is not necessary here. Chet has a concern, no matter the merit. If you could, I'd like to keep this conversation friendly so we can proceed with a healthy talk. Not one that has these type of remarks.
    Clay........Please listen to what you just wrote....."no matter the merit"
    So, this forum is now open for idiotic topics? is that your position????? Maybe we can all have an informed discussion on PARANOIA, Stupidity, OR....HEY.......maybe the man needs a hug.
    Sorry....try to keep supidity out of this forum
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
    L.A. Citizen Wrote:

    It could have been the same terrorist that have all these "camps" placed all over the country......OR.....Little Red Robbin Hood, Pokemon, and Felix the cat

    That is a 99.99999 percent reality. OHHHH OHHHH someone may be drinking out of the "insane" punch bowl again.

    Mockery is not necessary here. Chet has a concern, no matter the merit. If you could, I'd like to keep this conversation friendly so we can proceed with a healthy talk. Not one that has these type of remarks.
    Credit card fraud high estimate is in excess of $500 billion globally. I don't think Caribbean swinging hammock umbrella drinks account for a significant part of that money. Terrorists account for some of that money both in actual money and costs of reparation. The reason that the fraud is such a high dollar amount is because the credit card industry is lax in security. Their interest are insured and it is no big deal to them. What is a big deal is the end results of money diverted by terrorists. The same reason that makes credit cards and financing easy is the same reason that the fraud is so high. The credit card companies make huge profits and speedy easy transactions are the life of that system. Those speedy easy transactions are criminal in the aftermath that they cause. All current problems have a huge origin in easy money. The financial industry has lobbied regulation allowing multiple categories of trades to proceed unregulated and actually possessing immunity from local state actions. The world is numb from the perversion of money and there is no depth to which traders can sink in sourcing profitable instruments. The numbness in civil response is built into lower class life. I did a casual survey into reconnect fees for local power and water and according to my estimates it is in the millions for a population less than 60,000. There is even a category for financially abused households. Frequent Movers. I haven't looked up the full meaning but it has a lot to do with energy bills. But terrorism sourcing funds illegally through cyber fraud should not be one that we are numb to. There is a lot on the internet about terrorist and cyber crime. Criminalizing or impeding electronic signatures would be a significant step toward limiting fraud. But that is a hair raising thought to everybody until some thought is given to it. Limiting electronic signatures would start to put some sanity back into life. It would for sure have an effect on the almost 2 billion daily stock market transactions. The motive for profit has no limitations. Profit has to come through people and not paper. Slow down and live is a universal message. LA Citizen has been fair and balanced in meaning if his message is resolved to a basic understanding.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    L.A. citizen. Consider the merits of looking at cyber crime

    :herein is subject to change without notice. 5. …threats are relentlessly increasing… 20% Increase in cyber attacks in one year 1.4 successful attacks per company per week Cyber attacks are now common occurrences. The companies in the study experienced 343 successful attacks per week, or 1.4 successful attacks per company per week, an increase of 20 percent from last year’s study reported, which reported 262 successful attacks on average per week. Source: Ponemon Institute 2013 Cost of Cyber Crime Study, based on survey of 234 organizations in six countries http://www.slideshare.net/hpsoftwaresolutions/costs-of-cybercrimeponemon2013the-growing-cost-of-cyber-crime-highlights-from-the-4th-annual-ponemon-institute-survey-2013-costs-of-cyber-crime

    and

    FBI Director Says Cyberthreat Will Surpass Threat From ...

    abcnews.go.com › Politics

    Jan 31, 2012 - Cyber Threat to Surpass Terror Threat? ... Threats from cyber-espionage, computer crime, and attacks on critical infrastructure will surpass terrorism as the ...

    An increasing problem becoming the most dominant problem. Probably the single most deserving of attention. How do you say not having merit for discussion?

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    "Today, terrorists have not used the Internet to launch a full-scale cyberattack, but we cannot underestimate their intent," he said.

    http://www.ciozone.com/index.php/Security/FBI-Director-Cybercrime-Fastest-Growing-Threat.html

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    Chet

    You haven't said anything.........you're just repaeting and posting what someones telling you. Terrorist attack, bombs, planes, and now cyber. Fear...fear..fear.

    If the powers that be (whoever) really wanted to kill you.....they would. They don't need troops or your guns........"They may just turn the water off in New York City,,,,,people can't drink from the Hudson River. They'll poison your food.

    You see.....we're already being murdered. Heart disease, cancer and infections. So listen.......Relax and enjoy the show. Embrace life because its short.

    Something is gonna kill all of us...............you were born with a terminal diseases....LIFE

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    L.A. Citizen Wrote:
    ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
    L.A. Citizen Wrote:

    It could have been the same terrorist that have all these "camps" placed all over the country......OR.....Little Red Robbin Hood, Pokemon, and Felix the cat

    That is a 99.99999 percent reality. OHHHH OHHHH someone may be drinking out of the "insane" punch bowl again.

    Mockery is not necessary here. Chet has a concern, no matter the merit. If you could, I'd like to keep this conversation friendly so we can proceed with a healthy talk. Not one that has these type of remarks.
    Clay........Please listen to what you just wrote....."no matter the merit"
    So, this forum is now open for idiotic topics? is that your position????? Maybe we can all have an informed discussion on PARANOIA, Stupidity, OR....HEY.......maybe the man needs a hug.
    Sorry....try to keep supidity out of this forum

    If Chet had posted and said something idiotic, or just blatantly being sarcastic or rude, it would have been one thing. But Chet did not. They said their opinions on a topic and why they feel that way. I responded with how I feel. Then you respond with a comment that did not help the conveversation in the absolute slightest.

    You say your trying to keep stupidity out of this forum. But when you chime in between two people having an adult conversation without a mature response whatsoever and mention, "Little Red Robbin Hood, Pokemon, and Felix the cat", well, do you see the hypocrisy in that?

    Now once again, please keep this thread to its original discussion. Thanks.

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    L.A. Citizen Wrote:

    Chet

    You haven't said anything.........you're just repaeting and posting what someones telling you. Terrorist attack, bombs, planes, and now cyber. Fear...fear..fear.

    If the powers that be (whoever) really wanted to kill you.....they would. They don't need troops or your guns........"They may just turn the water off in New York City,,,,,people can't drink from the Hudson River. They'll poison your food.

    You see.....we're already being murdered. Heart disease, cancer and infections. So listen.......Relax and enjoy the show. Embrace life because its short.

    Something is gonna kill all of us...............you were born with a terminal diseases....LIFE

    Why not raise hell while you are being killed. Nobody is telling me anything, remember I am the originator of the OP. Intuition tells me that since are cyber financial system is put purposely at risk in order to generate greater revenues then I deduced that those people that want to hurt and kill us will take advantage of ripe conditions to further their interest. The only reason our cyber data is vulnerable is because it short cuts process to make passing money easier and faster. There is no reason that we should suffer the possibility of those consequences simply to let money be moved easily. The natural course of events will require a disaster for change. I would like to see the natural course of events altered by willful people that don't want anymore abuse. It is no secret to me why nothing gets done and I don't blame people for being themselves. People have an amazing tolerance for abuse, they don't like to confront authority. they don't like being publicly associated with unpopular ideals and they don't like being singled out. Other than sitting around and starving for maybe some relief the only other solution is a charismatic leader with human rights as her or his reason to live. Bernie Sanders seems a candidate but I don't know how that will turn out. The other Democrats are only interested in getting their name on legislation associated with problem solving fully ready to compromise all and everything away. Everybody other than Bernie has no comprehension of what poor is and why poor supplies soldiers to radicals. Look at Obama's Affordable Care Act. I know a lot of people that can't afford it. They don't have money to go talk to people. They can't afford to do anything. So why do they have to pay or jump through hoops that are impossible for them to jump through. Desperate trying to live they end up paying $70 or so dollars a month on a $300 credit card. A credit card made accessible to them because it is so easy to get. Easy to be defrauded. Protecting our cyber data would be easy if the data was not made casually accessible. Our credit system is more at risk now than it was in the same time period prior to 2008. All the safeguards have been over ridden in order to promote more, faster and easier unsubstantiated profits. As I said hunger is the trigger for change. Contrarily wealth is the trigger for peace. People working for living plus discretionary money supported wages will be happy. It is hard to recruit people for radical ideals when people are happy and planning family activities . The pure tumultuous hell , stress and rage coupled with the threat of worse imposed conditions from credit cards will continue and continue to expand until the problem is brought out and vilified. These are not new problems and conditions. They all were addressed in one form or another in the late 1800s through early 1900s coincidental with the industrial revolution.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    L.A. Citizen Wrote:

    Chet

    You haven't said anything.........you're just repaeting and posting what someones telling you. Terrorist attack, bombs, planes, and now cyber. Fear...fear..fear.

    If the powers that be (whoever) really wanted to kill you.....they would. They don't need troops or your guns........"They may just turn the water off in New York City,,,,,people can't drink from the Hudson River. They'll poison your food.

    You see.....we're already being murdered. Heart disease, cancer and infections. So listen.......Relax and enjoy the show. Embrace life because its short.

    Something is gonna kill all of us...............you were born with a terminal diseases....LIFE

    Why not raise hell while you are being killed. Nobody is telling me anything, remember I am the originator of the OP. Intuition tells me that since are cyber financial system is put purposely at risk in order to generate greater revenues then I deduced that those people that want to hurt and kill us will take advantage of ripe conditions to further their interest. The only reason our cyber data is vulnerable is because it short cuts process to make passing money easier and faster. There is no reason that we should suffer the possibility of those consequences simply to let money be moved easily. The natural course of events will require a disaster for change. I would like to see the natural course of events altered by willful people that don't want anymore abuse. It is no secret to me why nothing gets done and I don't blame people for being themselves. People have an amazing tolerance for abuse, they don't like to confront authority. they don't like being publicly associated with unpopular ideals and they don't like being singled out. Other than sitting around and starving for maybe some relief the only other solution is a charismatic leader with human rights as her or his reason to live. Bernie Sanders seems a candidate but I don't know how that will turn out. The other Democrats are only interested in getting their name on legislation associated with problem solving fully ready to compromise all and everything away. Everybody other than Bernie has no comprehension of what poor is and why poor supplies soldiers to radicals. Look at Obama's Affordable Care Act. I know a lot of people that can't afford it. They don't have money to go talk to people. They can't afford to do anything. So why do they have to pay or jump through hoops that are impossible for them to jump through. Desperate trying to live they end up paying $70 or so dollars a month on a $300 credit card. A credit card made accessible to them because it is so easy to get. Easy to be defrauded. Protecting our cyber data would be easy if the data was not made casually accessible. Our credit system is more at risk now than it was in the same time period prior to 2008. All the safeguards have been over ridden in order to promote more, faster and easier unsubstantiated profits. As I said hunger is the trigger for change. Contrarily wealth is the trigger for peace. People working for living plus discretionary money supported wages will be happy. It is hard to recruit people for radical ideals when people are happy and planning family activities . The pure tumultuous hell , stress and rage coupled with the threat of worse imposed conditions from credit cards will continue and continue to expand until the problem is brought out and vilified. These are not new problems and conditions. They all were addressed in one form or another in the late 1800s through early 1900s coincidental with the industrial revolution.
    Again,
    Thats a cop out.....You have choices. You start the revolution. Oh....I'm sorry, you're too busy planning family activities. You also have a choice not to have credit. Also.....Screw Obama.....what made you ever believe that he actually gave a shit about you.
    They eat from the same TROFT. Do you not understand that?????? They shop at the same stores, they eat at the same restaurants, and their children attend the same schools. There is no difference betwen the two parties.
    You don't matter. You never have..... Change always occurs from the bottom....So unless you're wliing to sacrifice everything and perhaps to no avail anyway....unless you're willing to die as others before us have.....
    Shut up and enoy the ride as I have.
    Coffee shop revolutionary 2015