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    Chet -- Yes the real con artists in this so called meeting are Kim Davis's lawyer and Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano. This article in Yahoo News sheds more light on the situation, but right now Davis and her lawyer are disputing the Vatican's claim.

    Yahoo News: Vatican upends Davis affair with news of audience with gays

    Davis and her lawyer are both liars. Earlier her attorneys were caught in another big lie when they claimed that 100,000 people had attended a prayer event in Peru in support of Kim Davis. The picture of the 100,000 people in the stadium was lifted from a 2014 event.

    Think Progress: Kim Davis’ Attorneys Finally Admit This Picture Is A Hoax

    Kim Davis Lawyer is doing everything he can to make money out of this event. Follow the money.

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    The enormous numbers of the general public will never know the real story, but lets take a step back and analyze just what has happened. The Pope apparently did meet with Kim Davis. The scheduled event is questioned as to its timely coincidence with media hype on Kim Davis's character as a Public Servant in Kentucky. The people assisting Kim Davis may very likely be using this Pope meeting as a political thrust for their agenda on civil rights.

    Now for the Pope. Imagine the Pope as walking the line of Jesus's steps throughout the ages. Jesus, who cavorted with prostitutes and tax collectors to the horror of the general public. The general public ridiculed and denounced Jesus because of acts like this among the citizens of a community. "How dare he associate with people like this?", was the public cry. For us that read the Bible and know the story, why does anybody question the will of God and the acts of Jesus. So, now in today's time period, we have the Pope Francis who leads a faith for us to acknowledge and enjoy the humble acts of man trying to walk the line of Jesus. I doubt the Pope is anti-gay or vilifies the acts of any human, but he does expect all of humanity to adhere to the one true God and the Pope will listen to even the worst of sin full people in the world.

    I imagine the Pope instructed Kim Davis to examine her faith and do what is right for civil rights, but be cautious that she does not harm anybody else's civil rights. That includes the gay rights to exist and enjoy their right to a marriage of their choosing. The act of marriage is not the issue, it is the act of being righteous in God's will. Nobody should question God's will, just like nobody should have questioned Jesus's acts in associating with prostitutes and tax collectors.

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    Davis' lawyer and the price gouger Shkreli are calling attention to the loss of ethics. I don't really know that it is worse now because the news is similarly motivated to sell advertising, but it is more in apparent.

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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:

    The enormous numbers of the general public will never know the real story, but lets take a step back and analyze just what has happened. The Pope apparently did meet with Kim Davis. The scheduled event is questioned as to its timely coincidence with media hype on Kim Davis's character as a Public Servant in Kentucky. The people assisting Kim Davis may very likely be using this Pope meeting as a political thrust for their agenda on civil rights.

    Now for the Pope. Imagine the Pope as walking the line of Jesus's steps throughout the ages. Jesus, who cavorted with prostitutes and tax collectors to the horror of the general public. The general public ridiculed and denounced Jesus because of acts like this among the citizens of a community. "How dare he associate with people like this?", was the public cry. For us that read the Bible and know the story, why does anybody question the will of God and the acts of Jesus. So, now in today's time period, we have the Pope Francis who leads a faith for us to acknowledge and enjoy the humble acts of man trying to walk the line of Jesus. I doubt the Pope is anti-gay or vilifies the acts of any human, but he does expect all of humanity to adhere to the one true God and the Pope will listen to even the worst of sin full people in the world.

    I imagine the Pope instructed Kim Davis to examine her faith and do what is right for civil rights, but be cautious that she does not harm anybody else's civil rights. That includes the gay rights to exist and enjoy their right to a marriage of their choosing. The act of marriage is not the issue, it is the act of being righteous in God's will. Nobody should question God's will, just like nobody should have questioned Jesus's acts in associating with prostitutes and tax collectors.

    Amc, Your last line is of course ridiculous again "Nobody should question God's will?" You've never seen or met this "whatever" let alone "what" the "whatever" wants..

    What "will"???????????? Sorry I only know "human" written laws etc. None from outer space. No one in outer space ever has put its "will" on microscobic nothings like people. Pls. sent proof.

    Please sent "it" an e-mail and asks if "it" knows what a "prostitute" or a "tax collector" is. Or ask the Pope directly, may be he has a phone number for up there or ask Kim Davis

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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:

    I imagine the Pope instructed Kim Davis to examine her faith and do what is right for civil rights, but be cautious that she does not harm anybody else's civil rights. That includes the gay rights to exist and enjoy their right to a marriage of their choosing. The act of marriage is not the issue, it is the act of being righteous in God's will. Nobody should question God's will, just like nobody should have questioned Jesus's acts in associating with prostitutes and tax collectors.

    AMC -- For people of faith like yourself, your statement, "Nobody should question God's will", makes perfectly good sense. You practice what you believe is "God's will", but so does Kim Davis. Her interpretation of God's will is entirely different from yours. Biblical scriptures have left a lot of room for interpretation, and that's why we have so many denominations of Christianity.

    As I have often discussed religion with several believers, the one thing that I am struck by is the absolute certitude that their particular set of beliefs is the right set of beliefs and everyone else including atheists are wrong. I can certainly appreciate the goodness in religion as my mother was and remains what I would call a good Christian...practicing what she believes and not demeaning anyone else's beliefs or pushing her beliefs onto other people. If we had more believers like her this world would indeed be a better place, but people like Kim Davis's lawyer and the Mike Huckabees of this world will exploit religion for their own personal gain.

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    Schmidt Wrote:
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:

    I imagine the Pope instructed Kim Davis to examine her faith and do what is right for civil rights, but be cautious that she does not harm anybody else's civil rights. That includes the gay rights to exist and enjoy their right to a marriage of their choosing. The act of marriage is not the issue, it is the act of being righteous in God's will. Nobody should question God's will, just like nobody should have questioned Jesus's acts in associating with prostitutes and tax collectors.

    AMC -- For people of faith like yourself, your statement, "Nobody should question God's will", makes perfectly good sense. You practice what you believe is "God's will", but so does Kim Davis. Her interpretation of God's will is entirely different from yours. Biblical scriptures have left a lot of room for interpretation, and that's why we have so many denominations of Christianity.

    As I have often discussed religion with several believers, the one thing that I am struck by is the absolute certitude that their particular set of beliefs is the right set of beliefs and everyone else including atheists are wrong. I can certainly appreciate the goodness in religion as my mother was and remains what I would call a good Christian...practicing what she believes and not demeaning anyone else's beliefs or pushing her beliefs onto other people. If we had more believers like her this world would indeed be a better place, but people like Kim Davis's lawyer and the Mike Huckabees of this world will exploit religion for their own personal gain.

    Schmidt, you must be kidding "Nobody should question God's will" makes perfectly good sense?????" Pls. tell me what the unseen never met entity ever has dictated to us.? That statement is absolutely laughable pls. come with absolute proof hat the "whatever" even knows that there are microscobic people here who have learned to read and write; the "thing" up there ( if any?) surely does not know what writing is let alone wrote something himself and sent it down here and knows the word "will".

    I'm flabbergasted by that statement.; Thus 2000 years plus old human written fantasy's are "will's" from something out of nowhere? Pls come with proof that something up there does "dictates" humans. Schmidt, I thought you would think a bit further than that.

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    Just as a closing thread; the Pope is gone; some people said: this will "stick" and people will "act" differently now because they are "blessed" by this "human" being.

    Looking around me and reading the news; nothing has changed and the Pope is already forgotten and the wars have only escalated as well as gun violence.

    Yes this the number "one" country related to being "hypocrites" all the way.

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    I am an atheist but it just blew me away when I heard my cousin say that she hated the pope. What kind of ideology preaching hate. This pope is the best pope that we have had in my lifetime and he is preaching common sense, i.e. responsibility to humanity and to the earth. How the heck can you hate someone who wants what’s best for all of the people and for the earth that sustains the people. They have just gone crazy. The entire conservative ideology is based on hate of President Obama as a symbol of their hate for all non-white, non-Christian and female citizens. I'm not a believer but just like the Christians preach, the devil will arrive disguised as a Christian.

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    Yes there are many of us atheists that do indeed like Pope Francis. He is so much better than the previous pope. Of course, we still disagree with him on the fundamental issues of abortion and birth control, but otherwise he is on the same page as Democrats and President Obama on most other social and economic issues regarding inequality.
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    Barbg Wrote:

    I am an atheist but it just blew me away when I heard my cousin say that she hated the pope. What kind of ideology preaching hate. This pope is the best pope that we have had in my lifetime and he is preaching common sense, i.e. responsibility to humanity and to the earth. How the heck can you hate someone who wants what’s best for all of the people and for the earth that sustains the people. They have just gone crazy. The entire conservative ideology is based on hate of President Obama as a symbol of their hate for all non-white, non-Christian and female citizens. I'm not a believer but just like the Christians preach, the devil will arrive disguised as a Christian.

    Barb, Sure I think he's an awful nice man and would love to drink a beer with him. But yeah it is not him; it is the organization reflecting on him. Like a CEO of an weapons industry may also be the sweetest man on earth. Or the inventor of nukes or heroin etc.