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Deceiving USA for profit.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The US derivative market is valued at 236 trillion dollars. The US GDP is about 18 trillion dollars. The following terms are misleading but accepted: Capitalist, Capitalism, Economy and Stock Market. They all deal with goods and services. The largest segment of the US market is unregulated derivatives. It is beyond any rational comprehension. Everybody knows a crash is coming but all goes on as usual. Derivatives are 2nd order trading. Gambling. Gambling requires a constant inflow of money. When the inflow of money is slowed or cut then there is a financial collapse. Making and selling things earns and builds money. Right now the derivative market is larger than it was in 2007. There may be a collapse or correction but it doesn't hurt everybody. Those with enough money end up with a lot of money. There will be no help because the crash will make the big traders a lot richer. And then they will start the game over.

    These are the terms and definitions that let the people be deceived .

    Capitalism:

    an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

    Capitalist:

    a wealthy person who uses money to invest in trade and industry for profit in accordance with the principles of capitalism.

    Stock market:

    The market in which shares of publicly held companies are issued and traded either through exchanges or over-the-counter markets. Also known as the equity market, the stock market is one of the most vital components of a free-market economy, as it provides companies with access to capital in exchange for giving investors a slice of ownership in the company. The stock market makes it possible to grow small initial sums of money into large ones, and to become wealthy without taking the risk of starting a business or making the sacrifices that often accompany a high-paying career.

    Economy:

    the process or system by which goods and services are produced, sold, and bought in a country or region

    People need to be refreshed to see they are being deceived.

  • Independent
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    Yes Chet, I'll be the last one to disagree. Absolutely correct.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: Yes Chet, I'll be the last one to disagree. Absolutely correct.
    The lie: it's going to get better. The reality: it's going to get worse. There is no liability for the lie, actually gets praise for compassion and consolation. The truth gets criticism for harsh negativity. Bernie has been a reinforcement that there is care for the middle and lower class. But AmcmurryFreedom has synopsized Bernies drawbacks. It seems like the flock is being called back to Hillary. The biggest setbacks ever for the poor have come from the Clintons. Somehow that is ignored in favor of the status quo. It is amazing that the Clintons can not only survive all the adversities but actually forge ahead accordingly to the plan.
  • Independent
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Yes Chet, I'll be the last one to disagree. Absolutely correct.
    The lie: it's going to get better. The reality: it's going to get worse. There is no liability for the lie, actually gets praise for compassion and consolation. The truth gets criticism for harsh negativity. Bernie has been a reinforcement that there is care for the middle and lower class. But AmcmurryFreedom has synopsized Bernies drawbacks. It seems like the flock is being called back to Hillary. The biggest setbacks ever for the poor have come from the Clintons. Somehow that is ignored in favor of the status quo. It is amazing that the Clintons can not only survive all the adversities but actually forge ahead accordingly to the plan.
    Chet , the truth is that the Clinton's have the backing from a large portion of the 1%; Bernie does not. Sure I like him but he has little chance of winning if you don't belong to the Washington insiders and big money. That is what capitalism is all about. Bernie is not part of the "clan" so they don't even see him and walk straight over him.
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    the concept of "the economy" as a separate thing to be examined and tinkered with on various occasions is a recent phenomenon. iirc, keynes is where it evolved from. i happen to be a supporter of much of keynes theories however attempting to separate the economy from politics, biology, sociology, the environment and psychology is a futile and wrong-headed idea. the term used to be political economy as the politics of the state played a major role in how the economy functioned. smith knew this just as he knew capital, he called them merchants which was inaccurate it turned out, would always collude on pricing. he also was a moralist which is lacking in capital's fawning over him.

    as for the stock market as chet previously noted its purpose used to be to raise capital for companies. its purpose now is a casino where people are betting. and of course you have "analysts" who can move a stock up or down by their pronouncements. and you have buffoons like carl icahn and other so-called activist shareholders whose only goal is enriching themselves. they are unconcerned with the employees, the public, and the long term health of a company. this is part of financialization which is where all capitalist economies, at least those that are large scale and seek worldwide dominance, end up. it has happened with each empire or dominant nation. see kevin phillips' "american theocracy."

    and of course there is the concept of infinite growth. infinite growth is not only unsustainable it is impossible.

    so while i support bernie sanders even he does not get the entire picture at least this is what we can infer from his statements. his plans while short-term good really do not address massive long term problems which revolve around infinite growth.

    of course the american public is uninterested in the issues that are hiding in the open. they are much more concerned with the newest tech gadget, gays marrying, chanting "we're #1!" and marching eyes wide shut over the cliff.

  • Independent
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    Lonely, yes you see it as it is; especially your last line says it all.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: Lonely, yes you see it as it is; especially your last line says it all.
    The American public is a child that needs attention, training and discipline. I remember when the 1% started a new control of the public. It started with things like helping your Dr. make the best decision for your health. And you can be whatever you want. There are truly people that can be whatever they want to be. But they have a lot of things naturally going for them that can't be learned. Starting with charisma ..... There is no concession to limited people, only " you want to end up selling burgers". Telling them if they can't make money for the 1% they are worthless.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    BTW, The 1% doesn't even have to ask people to do their bidding. People will do whatever they can to get noticed and the approval of the 1%. If a person makes trouble for the 1% there are those that will destroy that person hoping their name might come up with the 1%..