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Conservatives get people angry at waste. There is no waste!

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Voicing dissatisfaction at government waste is scoring points for conservatives. There is no such thing as government waste. As long as they get the money and spend it they are doing their job and the country a service. Spending and spending more puts people to work. Conservatives don't care about people as much as they care about money. Spending money creates money velocity. The greater the velocity the more gets done . There may be more palpable ways to spend money but most important is that it gets spent. And what about the alternative, saving? It shouldn't be allowed to call it saving. It should be called returning. Because people return money to the boss and he plays with it. There might be 10 percent of deposits left in the bank. So people give whatever they can back to the boss and he dutifully pays a couple pennies on the dollar for using it. And then when he blows a big wad everybody commiserates a bit but keeps on returning. Because he said that might happen people nod in agreement and keep returning. The right wing talk stars have pretty much energized all the buttons that people respond to. Profit through people because everybody deserves a good life.

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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:

    Voicing dissatisfaction at government waste is scoring points for conservatives. There is no such thing as government waste. As long as they get the money and spend it they are doing their job and the country a service. Spending and spending more puts people to work. Conservatives don't care about people as much as they care about money. Spending money creates money velocity. The greater the velocity the more gets done . There may be more palpable ways to spend money but most important is that it gets spent. And what about the alternative, saving? It shouldn't be allowed to call it saving. It should be called returning. Because people return money to the boss and he plays with it. There might be 10 percent of deposits left in the bank. So people give whatever they can back to the boss and he dutifully pays a couple pennies on the dollar for using it. And then when he blows a big wad everybody commiserates a bit but keeps on returning. Because he said that might happen people nod in agreement and keep returning. The right wing talk stars have pretty much energized all the buttons that people respond to. Profit through people because everybody deserves a good life.

    Sorry you've got a way to simplistic view; government waste is the "in-efficiency" like "bureaucracy" as well spending it on the wrong things. Also spending $400 million on a single aircraft which is meant for WWIII is "waste". Spending billions on elections is "waste". Having "wars" all over the place is "waste" Having US personel stationed all over the globe with an Embassy of 5000 men in Iraq is "waste". Having drones all over the globe killing unknown people is "waste.

    Having a huge 747 to fly 200 miles for just the fun is waste; The Pentagon as well 999 generals is waste. etc. etc.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    And the solution is to cut taxes? Just as you did "waste" has to be defined as low priority. It is easy for the average person to reconcile cutting taxes when government spending is blanketed as waste. That is a true simplistic generalization that gets support from the minimum wage person. And that is the point of my post. Government spending has to rhetorically aligned to positive needing different spenders. Don't use the result to kill the program. Offer more serving ways to appropriate spending. The conservatives have used waste to define government spending. Therefore the conclusion is that big government is bad. I believe that Tax and spend is the solution. Just need people to realize how much better that money could be used. Do you realize that virtually nobody offers that as an alternative. Because it is too easy to be incensed at "waste".
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: And the solution is to cut taxes? Just as you did "waste" has to be defined as low priority. It is easy for the average person to reconcile cutting taxes when government spending is blanketed as waste. That is a true simplistic generalization that gets support from the minimum wage person. And that is the point of my post. Government spending has to rhetorically aligned to positive needing different spenders. Don't use the result to kill the program. Offer more serving ways to appropriate spending.

    I couldn't agree more.

    Chet Ruminski Wrote: The conservatives have used waste to define government spending. Therefore the conclusion is that big government is bad. I believe that Tax and spend is the solution. Just need people to realize how much better that money could be used. Do you realize that virtually nobody offers that as an alternative. Because it is too easy to be incensed at "waste".

    Exactly! The Republicans want to slash taxes at all costs, but then cry foul when a bridge in their district collapses or throw a temper tantrum that their streets and highways are filled with potholes. They want to slash FEMA funding, but then come begging for help when a hurricane, tornado, earthquake, or flood hits their state.

    They are all hypocrites who claim they want small government, but will gladly give billions of dollars in tax subsidies to their campaign donors who run multi-national corporations that are shipping all of their jobs overseas. If only the average voter understood that they have been hoodwinked by the Republican right who has convinced them that government is bad. If it's so bad then I say they should get out of it and let people who actually want to make things better run the show.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    It is hard to do and sometimes I slip back into criticizing wasteful spending, but I catch it right away. Every complaint about government waste jeopardizes good programs that others classify as waste. A favorite criticism is "Tax and spend liberals". People need to understand that is a compliment. Spending is the life of an economy. Cutting taxes will put more money in the hands of people that won't spend it. They will save it and that puts even more money at risk of stagnating by securitizing futures gambling. Spending is good and more spending is better. Successful companies spend to get ahead and stay ahead.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: It is hard to do and sometimes I slip back into criticizing wasteful spending, but I catch it right away. Every complaint about government waste jeopardizes good programs that others classify as waste. A favorite criticism is "Tax and spend liberals". People need to understand that is a compliment. Spending is the life of an economy. Cutting taxes will put more money in the hands of people that won't spend it. They will save it and that puts even more money at risk of stagnating by securitizing futures gambling. Spending is good and more spending is better. Successful companies spend to get ahead and stay ahead.

    Sorry, I disagree. Government spending and their budget system does not work. It is the in-efficiency and as always the "budget" has to be filled even if it has money left. That leads to "waste" Sure it is good to have infrastructure projects but often spent on total idiotic "things" just to fill some "pockets" of certain people. This already happens on a small scale in local governments. Then we have the "waste" of our foreign policies; handing out billions to "leaders" without result, or loosing billions of Pentagon projects of which they don't know where the money went. etc.. On top of it hand out war equipment all over the place, or loose it in some distant country. Again this country is the most corrupt after Russia in the world. Projects contracted to the war industry have huge margins; toilet seats are $500.- a piece for instance. So "spending" is only good if it is done "wisely". My answer is ; Sorry, they don't know that word!!!

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    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: It is hard to do and sometimes I slip back into criticizing wasteful spending, but I catch it right away. Every complaint about government waste jeopardizes good programs that others classify as waste. A favorite criticism is "Tax and spend liberals". People need to understand that is a compliment. Spending is the life of an economy. Cutting taxes will put more money in the hands of people that won't spend it. They will save it and that puts even more money at risk of stagnating by securitizing futures gambling. Spending is good and more spending is better. Successful companies spend to get ahead and stay ahead.

    Sorry, I disagree. Government spending and their budget system does not work. It is the in-efficiency and as always the "budget" has to be filled even if it has money left. That leads to "waste" Sure it is good to have infrastructure projects but often spent on total idiotic "things" just to fill some "pockets" of certain people. This already happens on a small scale in local governments. Then we have the "waste" of our foreign policies; handing out billions to "leaders" without result, or loosing billions of Pentagon projects of which they don't know where the money went. etc.. On top of it hand out war equipment all over the place, or loose it in some distant country. Again this country is the most corrupt after Russia in the world. Projects contracted to the war industry have huge margins; toilet seats are $500.- a piece for instance. So "spending" is only good if it is done "wisely". My answer is ; Sorry, they don't know that word!!!

    Dutch, Your observations are 100% right on. In principle you are 100% correct. My point is to keep on getting the money and spending it but try to get control of the spending. When I was in the Navy I helped put a brand new 1.5 million dollar LCU ,into operational status. An LCU is 140 feet long and used to transport troops or vehicles to shore during an invasion. The Unit I was in, ACU 2, had an opening to send a LCU to Moorehead city to be rebuilt. All the other LCUs were involved in a change of operations. 1/2 were coming back from overseas duty and the other half were leaving to replace them. A boat had to be sent to rebuild or else the Unit would permanently lose that money. So having just put this new LCU into service, I was now taking it to Moorehead City to be rebuilt. As soon as we tied up at Moorehead City a crew came on board cutting the decks to get the brand new 12 cylinder Detroit Diesels out to be rebuilt. Was this necessary ? Just depends on your priorities. I believe in people above profit so yes I think it was necessary in order to keep the economy functioning. Spending is good. Better spending is better. But remember that waste to one is another's super project. Keep on spending but keep on trying to get control for your own purpose. My purpose is a living plus wage for everybody. That can be achieved by spending if the right people get control. Don't stop easily criticized spending because some good programs and benefits will suffer. My idea of better spending is to redirect foreign aid internally. Like the first Roosevelt said :" speak softly and carry a big stick". Use foreign aid money for infrastructure and arms. Remember the criticism " if you sink to their level of meanness you are no better". The bottom line is not profit, it is people. Redirected there are enough resources to raise the standard of living for all the impoverished. "I'm going to Disney World" should be reality for anybody so desiring. Everybody working and happy would make it hard to start a fight or find somebody to fight.
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:
    Chet Ruminski Wrote: It is hard to do and sometimes I slip back into criticizing wasteful spending, but I catch it right away. Every complaint about government waste jeopardizes good programs that others classify as waste. A favorite criticism is "Tax and spend liberals". People need to understand that is a compliment. Spending is the life of an economy. Cutting taxes will put more money in the hands of people that won't spend it. They will save it and that puts even more money at risk of stagnating by securitizing futures gambling. Spending is good and more spending is better. Successful companies spend to get ahead and stay ahead.

    Sorry, I disagree. Government spending and their budget system does not work. It is the in-efficiency and as always the "budget" has to be filled even if it has money left. That leads to "waste" Sure it is good to have infrastructure projects but often spent on total idiotic "things" just to fill some "pockets" of certain people. This already happens on a small scale in local governments. Then we have the "waste" of our foreign policies; handing out billions to "leaders" without result, or loosing billions of Pentagon projects of which they don't know where the money went. etc.. On top of it hand out war equipment all over the place, or loose it in some distant country. Again this country is the most corrupt after Russia in the world. Projects contracted to the war industry have huge margins; toilet seats are $500.- a piece for instance. So "spending" is only good if it is done "wisely". My answer is ; Sorry, they don't know that word!!!

    Dutch, Your observations are 100% right on. In principle you are 100% correct. My point is to keep on getting the money and spending it but try to get control of the spending. When I was in the Navy I helped put a brand new 1.5 million dollar LCU ,into operational status. An LCU is 140 feet long and used to transport troops or vehicles to shore during an invasion. The Unit I was in, ACU 2, had an opening to send a LCU to Moorehead city to be rebuilt. All the other LCUs were involved in a change of operations. 1/2 were coming back from overseas duty and the other half were leaving to replace them. A boat had to be sent to rebuild or else the Unit would permanently lose that money. So having just put this new LCU into service, I was now taking it to Moorehead City to be rebuilt. As soon as we tied up at Moorehead City a crew came on board cutting the decks to get the brand new 12 cylinder Detroit Diesels out to be rebuilt. Was this necessary ? Just depends on your priorities. I believe in people above profit so yes I think it was necessary in order to keep the economy functioning. Spending is good. Better spending is better. But remember that waste to one is another's super project. Keep on spending but keep on trying to get control for your own purpose. My purpose is a living plus wage for everybody. That can be achieved by spending if the right people get control. Don't stop easily criticized spending because some good programs and benefits will suffer. My idea of better spending is to redirect foreign aid internally. Like the first Roosevelt said :" speak softly and carry a big stick". Use foreign aid money for infrastructure and arms. Remember the criticism " if you sink to their level of meanness you are no better". The bottom line is not profit, it is people. Redirected there are enough resources to raise the standard of living for all the impoverished. "I'm going to Disney World" should be reality for anybody so desiring. Everybody working and happy would make it hard to start a fight or find somebody to fight.

    Chet , thanks. Efficiency should be a major goal in our government however that is not the case as you also described. The other problem is creating "fear factors" to keep everyone busy in order to spent money on total waste. This country is a total FEAR country as follows; that is where the money is spent on.

    We are afraid of:

    1) Ourselves

    2 ISIS

    3) China

    4) Russia

    5) Iran

    6) Iraq/Afghanistan/ Yemen/ Syria/Pakistan/ N. Korea/ Sudan/ Nigeria etc. etc.

    7) Ebola

    8) Cops

    9) Stock market

    10) End of the world

    11) The devil

    12) Our pastor ( you go to hell)

    13) Bears and alligators ( so go hunt them)

    14) Your neighbor because he's got 10 AK 47's

    15) Medicines; don't take them they will kill you

    16) Cholesterol

    17) Recalls on everything

    18) Your life savings

    19) Being sued

    20) Being shot

    21) Road rage

    22) Our shadow

    23) Of course TERRORIST's around every corner; because we bombed them.

    The only medicine seems to be to run to church and start believing in la la land. What a country!!!

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    Hi Dutch: This may be your Masterpiece of ALL TIME. I am totally inclined to believe you, -- unless it will shatter your perception of me. (ha) SUPER GOOD.
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    eternal flame Wrote: Hi Dutch: This may be your Masterpiece of ALL TIME. I am totally inclined to believe you, -- unless it will shatter your perception of me. (ha) SUPER GOOD.

    Sorry, I forgot a few; like hurricanes, earthquakes, global warming, your cell phone, facebook, secret e-mails, the Kardashians, Fox news, Huckabee, Trump, Cruze, don't forget; CIA, NRA, NSA, IRS etc.

    So pls add those to my list and take an aspirin because of all the fear .