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why can't we all just get along ?

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  • Center Left Democrat
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    Flagstaff, AZ
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    It's no secret that our current political system is a mess, which is why Congress currently has an approval rating of 20%. Although that isn't a very good number, it's actually been as low as 9%

    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/02/18/Here-s-Why-Obama-and-Congress-s-Approval-Ratings-Are

    The link below will provide some thoughts on WHY it's a mess, and what can be done to fix it:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-more-things-change-more-they-remain.html

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    that guy in Arizona Wrote:

    It's no secret that our current political system is a mess, which is why Congress currently has an approval rating of 20%. Although that isn't a very good number, it's actually been as low as 9%

    http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/02/18/Here-s-Why-Obama-and-Congress-s-Approval-Ratings-Are

    Unfortunately that rating has decreased from that stellar high water mark of 20% back in February and has sunk back to 15.3 percent in the most recent RCP "poll of polls." I only foresee it going even lower throughout the next year or so because absolutely nothing is going to get done during President Obama's last year in office.

    The link below will provide some thoughts on WHY it's a mess, and what can be done to fix it:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2015/08/the-more-things-change-more-they-remain.html

    Thanks for sharing this article.

    I thought it was really interesting and is pretty spot in explaining why we have found ourselves in this current political shit storm. I also agree with the authors hypothesis that things aren't going to change until people actually vote in this country. We can bitch all we want in this country, but we get the government we vote (or don't vote) for.

  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    You just gotta wonder sometimes if its just in our DNA to not get along
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    johnnycee Wrote: You just gotta wonder sometimes if its just in our DNA to not get along

    No J.C. I think I would get along fine with you if you drop your pre-conceived indoctrination items and accept facts in life and humanity through the ages. Sometimes you loosen up a bit but then immediately get back into what they pushed into your brain. So an open mind and reality of why things are happening in this world by using facts and scientific proof will help a lot. Most Americans have no clue on how the rest of the world works or lives neither our politicians, let alone the people who think they can become president. Just look at the world at present, turmoil in: Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Lebanon, Pakistan, Sudan. Nigeria, NK Korea, all the refugee's flooding Europe, the stock market, The Chinese Economy, the price of oil etc, etc. It escalates per day so I don't think anyone's DNA will help in the end.

  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Correct Dutch! It's mainly unfounded fear and xenophobic hate caused by a society that believes any change or dif fend beliefs than theirs is dangerous to their lifestyle. Southern, white, Fundamentalists come to mind off the top of my head (in the good ol USA) but when a whole society has been conned into believing they are better people (in God's eyes) because of their religious beliefs, skin color and race what can we expect?
  • Independent
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    get along how?

    as long as the hustle (borrowed from morris berman) is in place as the true religion of americans relationships between humans will continue to devolve down to transactions. oh, and don't let us forget tribalism and "the other" who by the nature of his "otherness" (no one can quite explain what that is so things like skin color are used to cover simplistic dualistic fear) must be excluded from getting along or even the transactions.

  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    lonely bird Wrote:

    get along how?

    as long as the hustle (borrowed from morris berman) is in place as the true religion of americans relationships between humans will continue to devolve down to transactions. oh, and don't let us forget tribalism and "the other" who by the nature of his "otherness" (no one can quite explain what that is so things like skin color are used to cover simplistic dualistic fear) must be excluded from getting along or even the transactions.

    I don't think it is the color of skin, but the color of "money" Sorry to say that is the real cause. For instance if you befriend a billionaire is that because he's so nice?
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Dutch Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: You just gotta wonder sometimes if its just in our DNA to not get along

    No J.C. I think I would get along fine with you if you drop your pre-conceived indoctrination items and accept facts in life and humanity through the ages. Sometimes you loosen up a bit but then immediately get back into what they pushed into your brain. So an open mind and reality of why things are happening in this world by using facts and scientific proof will help a lot. Most Americans have no clue on how the rest of the world works or lives neither our politicians, let alone the people who think they can become president. Just look at the world at present, turmoil in: Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Lebanon, Pakistan, Sudan. Nigeria, NK Korea, all the refugee's flooding Europe, the stock market, The Chinese Economy, the price of oil etc, etc. It escalates per day so I don't think anyone's DNA will help in the end.

    So your saying that if I agree with every notion, opinion, and idea that you put forth that would make me more open minded but if on the other hand if you agreed with my ideas ,and opinions that would you make you close minded, huh? Now I did not say that I believed in the DNA theory of getting along, it was merely a musing, but you could not refrain from becoming your old sarcastic self,now could you? Facts and science mostly prove what happens but not always the why, after every fact finding there is always the lingering question: Why?
  • Independent
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    Dutch Wrote:
    lonely bird Wrote:

    get along how?

    as long as the hustle (borrowed from morris berman) is in place as the true religion of americans relationships between humans will continue to devolve down to transactions. oh, and don't let us forget tribalism and "the other" who by the nature of his "otherness" (no one can quite explain what that is so things like skin color are used to cover simplistic dualistic fear) must be excluded from getting along or even the transactions.

    I don't think it is the color of skin, but the color of "money" Sorry to say that is the real cause. For instance if you befriend a billionaire is that because he's so nice?
    Skin color most certainly plays a role. Racism was/is used to help keep a wedge between blacks and poor whites. But again it is symptomatic. The issue is immoral/amoral consumption used to substitute for community. When thatcher said there was no such thing as society she should have been kicked the hell out of the UK.
  • Independent
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    lonely bird Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:
    lonely bird Wrote:

    get along how?

    as long as the hustle (borrowed from morris berman) is in place as the true religion of americans relationships between humans will continue to devolve down to transactions. oh, and don't let us forget tribalism and "the other" who by the nature of his "otherness" (no one can quite explain what that is so things like skin color are used to cover simplistic dualistic fear) must be excluded from getting along or even the transactions.

    I don't think it is the color of skin, but the color of "money" Sorry to say that is the real cause. For instance if you befriend a billionaire is that because he's so nice?
    Skin color most certainly plays a role. Racism was/is used to help keep a wedge between blacks and poor whites. But again it is symptomatic. The issue is immoral/amoral consumption used to substitute for community. When thatcher said there was no such thing as society she should have been kicked the hell out of the UK.
    Lonely, I doubt if Thatcher influenced things here; but yeah we are all here against our will because the Indians lost. Blame the Dutch for all the "imports"
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Getting along is a function. It is dependent on the influence of variables. Historically and anecdotally wealth has a lot to do with getting along. Poor people tend to be gritty, grating and paranoid. The biggest bang for the buck is drugs and alcohol. Wealthy people have thanks giving dinners where everybody laughs approvingly at every utterance of the college jounior. I can't fault poor people for anything. They live in the overcrowded lifeboat. To the critics of the poor that say you can be anything you want to be I say next week double your income or be an NBA contract center. Wealth is the sedative to getting along with environment being the amplifier. Is contemporary terrorism a function of poor people living in barren rocks?
  • Liberal
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    Chet Ruminski Wrote: Getting along is a function. It is dependent on the influence of variables. Historically and anecdotally wealth has a lot to do with getting along. Poor people tend to be gritty, grating and paranoid. The biggest bang for the buck is drugs and alcohol. Wealthy people have thanks giving dinners where everybody laughs approvingly at every utterance of the college jounior. I can't fault poor people for anything. They live in the overcrowded lifeboat. To the critics of the poor that say you can be anything you want to be I say next week double your income or be an NBA contract center. Wealth is the sedative to getting along with environment being the amplifier. Is contemporary terrorism a function of poor people living in barren rocks?
    Figures.....always someone elses fault......accountability and self responsibility no longer plays a role in society.....It's whiteys fault