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Should we take this one seriously? Seems like this happens when Kim's emergency support stops rolling in. For those of you who don't know, here is the quick scoop:

North Korea has threatened war with South Korea. The issues started when Sk's propaganda speakers were playing across the border after land mines dismembered two SK troops. The speakers have been shut off for years, now they're back on. North Korea is annoyed by this and sends a shot back across at the loud speakers. SK responded with a fair amount of artillery. No ammunition hit humans on either side.

Since then, NK has declared a quasi-state of war. Preparing all troops to be on high alarm. Their demands are that SK turn off the loud speakers before (Saturday 4:00AM EST) or they will take military action.

"If South Korea does not respond to our ultimatum," North Korean U.N. ambassador An Myong Hun told reporters, "our military counteraction will be inevitable and that counteraction will be very strong."

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South Korean Defense Minister Han Min-koo said, "North Korea's offensive action is a despicable crime that breaks a ceasefire agreement and the non-aggression treaty between North and South. If North Korea continues on provoking, our military -- as we have already warned -- will respond sternly, and end the evil provocations of North Korea," he said, adding the country is working closely with the United States.

From what I have read from many sources, SK is showing zero signs of letting up. This one seems different from Un's past fits. This one seems alot more serious. I think South Korea has finally had enough, unfortunately.

There is no win here. If there is war, SK will...I guess concur(?) would be the right word. There is just no chance of there being another outcome. Even China has had enough of it. That being said, when that happens their will be millions of starved, deprived, uneducated, people flooding into SK for refuge. That will crash their economy and whoever is entangled with it. And not to mention the death toll. It is not good for anyone.

If it doesn't happen at all, those refugees will stay in their miserable life that they live now. And NK will go on to force feed to his people that, "We showed them! We forced the world into seeing the greatness of North Korea yet again! Now they will send us aid and riches in embarrassment of their loss!"

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2015-08-22 02:02:20 PM

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I have a hard time believing that this is more than saber rattling on the North's part. This happens every time the United States and South Korea conduct joint military exercises and nothing ever comes of it. I would be baffled if it escalated into all out war. That is a death sentence for the "Dear Leader" and I just can't believe he's that stupid.

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2015-08-22 02:21:15 PM

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The whole affair is childish! Why antagonise your enemy with loudspeakers???

I read somewhere we were encouraging this stupidity - I hope not but it wouldn't surprise me ether.

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2015-08-22 03:25:47 PM

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jaredsxtn Wrote: I have a hard time believing that this is more than saber rattling on the North's part. This happens every time the United States and South Korea conduct joint military exercises and nothing ever comes of it. I would be baffled if it escalated into all out war. That is a death sentence for the "Dear Leader" and I just can't believe he's that stupid.

It would 100% be a death sentence for Un. The main thing that is keeping me up is that there were shots fired. And the fact that the speakers are back on in SK. If it wasn't for those two things, I would say it's the same vs as usual from NK.

Apparently the generals from both sides are meeting right now to discuss the situation. One thing I really don't want to see is SK back down to UN's demands. Then again, I don't want a war either.

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2015-08-22 04:29:53 PM

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pr Wrote:
The whole affair is childish! Why antagonise your enemy with loudspeakers???
I read somewhere we were encouraging this stupidity - I hope not but it wouldn't surprise me ether.

Pretty much. We are backing SK to not give in at all with demands. I will try and find the article.

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2015-08-22 07:59:11 PM

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ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
pr Wrote:
The whole affair is childish! Why antagonise your enemy with loudspeakers???
I read somewhere we were encouraging this stupidity - I hope not but it wouldn't surprise me ether.

Pretty much. We are backing SK to not give in at all with demands. I will try and find the article.

Guess who is provoking all of this? Again the US as always; if it is the Ukraine or this we always want to show that we are "the most militarized country" of the world and have exercises at their borders. No we are not guilty of course, already since 1948. What has our border control there has cost us since then? We are crazy.

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2015-08-22 08:14:33 PM

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Dutch Wrote:
ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
pr Wrote:
The whole affair is childish! Why antagonise your enemy with loudspeakers???
I read somewhere we were encouraging this stupidity - I hope not but it wouldn't surprise me ether.

Pretty much. We are backing SK to not give in at all with demands. I will try and find the article.
Guess who is provoking all of this? Again the US as always; if it is the Ukraine or this we always want to show that we are "the most militarized country" of the world and have exercises at their borders. No we are not guilty of course, already since 1948. What has our border control there has cost us since then? We are crazy.

Usually I would 100% agree with you on that. In this case though, it's not. U.S. stayed out of this argument until our troops were called on by SK to take post with them. Around 25k troops to be exact. This was between SK and NK up until then. When SK asked the U.S. if we stood behind their decision to not give in to demands, we said we are with them. Of course we are, and should be. Though I think this situation would go away with the speakers being turned off, I also think if they give in to the demands Un still is torturing his people. Something has to give at some point.

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2015-08-23 08:40:17 AM

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ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
Dutch Wrote:
ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
pr Wrote:
The whole affair is childish! Why antagonise your enemy with loudspeakers???
I read somewhere we were encouraging this stupidity - I hope not but it wouldn't surprise me ether.

Pretty much. We are backing SK to not give in at all with demands. I will try and find the article.
Guess who is provoking all of this? Again the US as always; if it is the Ukraine or this we always want to show that we are "the most militarized country" of the world and have exercises at their borders. No we are not guilty of course, already since 1948. What has our border control there has cost us since then? We are crazy.
Usually I would 100% agree with you on that. In this case though, it's not. U.S. stayed out of this argument until our troops were called on by SK to take post with them. Around 25k troops to be exact. This was between SK and NK up until then. When SK asked the U.S. if we stood behind their decision to not give in to demands, we said we are with them. Of course we are, and should be. Though I think this situation would go away with the speakers being turned off, I also think if they give in to the demands Un still is torturing his people. Something has to give at some point.

Clay, so all of this has not cost us anything? who fought there in 1948; of course not us? Wow. Sorry we are the biggest warmongers in the world since WWII.

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2015-08-23 10:05:15 AM

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Dutch Wrote:
ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
Dutch Wrote:
ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
pr Wrote:
The whole affair is childish! Why antagonise your enemy with loudspeakers???
I read somewhere we were encouraging this stupidity - I hope not but it wouldn't surprise me ether.

Pretty much. We are backing SK to not give in at all with demands. I will try and find the article.
Guess who is provoking all of this? Again the US as always; if it is the Ukraine or this we always want to show that we are "the most militarized country" of the world and have exercises at their borders. No we are not guilty of course, already since 1948. What has our border control there has cost us since then? We are crazy.
Clay, so all of this has not cost us anything? who fought there in 1948; of course not us? Wow. Sorry we are the biggest warmongers in the world since WWII.

If your talking about U.S. relations with NK and SK since 1948, of course it's costed. But we're (I'm) talking about this week. And to be clear, I definitely agree with you that the US is a bully of sorts. I just don't think this is one of those times. If that were the case, we would of already pushed this stand-off to actual war. Which would mean defeat of NK, which would mean access to their precious natural resources. US loves natural resources...

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ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
Dutch Wrote:
ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
Dutch Wrote:
ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
pr Wrote:
The whole affair is childish! Why antagonise your enemy with loudspeakers???
I read somewhere we were encouraging this stupidity - I hope not but it wouldn't surprise me ether.

Pretty much. We are backing SK to not give in at all with demands. I will try and find the article.
Guess who is provoking all of this? Again the US as always; if it is the Ukraine or this we always want to show that we are "the most militarized country" of the world and have exercises at their borders. No we are not guilty of course, already since 1948. What has our border control there has cost us since then? We are crazy.
Clay, so all of this has not cost us anything? who fought there in 1948; of course not us? Wow. Sorry we are the biggest warmongers in the world since WWII.
If your talking about U.S. relations with NK and SK since 1948, of course it's costed. But we're (I'm) talking about this week. And to be clear, I definitely agree with you that the US is a bully of sorts. I just don't think this is one of those times. If that were the case, we would of already pushed this stand-off to actual war. Which would mean defeat of NK, which would mean access to their precious natural resources. US loves natural resources...

Yes, Clay I agree; I wished that I had all that money!! However I don't think NK can be giving threats forever either; one of these days this Kim has to prove himself.

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It looks like they are walking back from the brink once again and diplomatically resolving this most recent flare up of tensions. Both sides are now talking at "truce village" and I have a feeling this will fall off of the radar pretty soon.

I just have a hard time ever getting too worked up about things going on at the Korean Peninsula because neither side is that stupid to start fighting an all out war.

The North won't push it too far because they will be obliterated by the South and their United States backers. And the South won't invade first because that will invite China to declare a hot war with the United States.

So I think this happens whenever the North feels like the media isn't paying attention to them or whenever the South and United States conduct joint military exercises...which we do with dozens of other allies all the time.

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2015-08-23 02:11:00 PM

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jaredsxtn Wrote:
It looks like they are walking back from the brink once again and diplomatically resolving this most recent flare up of tensions. Both sides are now talking at "truce village" and I have a feeling this will fall off of the radar pretty soon.
I just have a hard time ever getting too worked up about things going on at the Korean Peninsula because neither side is that stupid to start fighting an all out war.
The North won't push it too far because they will be obliterated by the South and their United States backers. And the South won't invade first because that will invite China to declare a hot war with the United States.
So I think this happens whenever the North feels like the media isn't paying attention to them or whenever the South and United States conduct joint military exercises...which we do with dozens of other allies all the time.

Spot on with the reasons. I just wish there was a way to end Un without starting a war. His time is coming though. The whole world has just about had enough of his bs. It will happen Mich, much sooner if he keeps making threats though.

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2015-08-25 10:31:17 AM

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