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Sanders isn't a "socialist." He's a Democratic socialist and there is a difference

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    Socialists don't believe in capitalism. Democratic socialists like Sanders believe that the weaknesses and vulnerabilities of capitalism must be modified by socialist measures like Social Security, minimum wage standards, progressive taxes, etc. It was socialist modified capitalism that created the greatest middle class in history between 1933 and 1980.

    It's all explained in the editorial published in the Asheville NC Citizen-Times. It can be found at: kellysite.net/pluralism.htm

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    Absolutely true but the typical American voter has absolutely NO concept of this. Even Progressive Democrats have a difficult time accepting the idea and you might as well just forget even bringing up the subject with a Republican!
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    Ezycat Wrote:

    Socialists don't believe in capitalism. Democratic socialists like Sanders believe that the weaknesses and vulnerabilities of capitalism must be modified by socialist measures like Social Security, minimum wage standards, progressive taxes, etc. It was socialist modified capitalism that created the greatest middle class in history between 1933 and 1980.

    Welcome to the Democratic Hub Ezycat.

    I have had this exact same discussion with a number of people who genuinely don't understand even the most basic definitions of Socialism, Communism, Fascism, and Capitalism. And don't even get me started on what happens when I try to explain what a Democratic Socialist is to these same people. They all tend to be like a deer in headlights.

    Thank you for reminding everyone that it was policies that have their roots in "socialist modified capitalism" that are some of the most wildly popular programs in America. Don't tell the Tea Party that though. They are too busy focusing on keeping the governments hands off of their Medicare...

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Ezycat Wrote:

    Socialists don't believe in capitalism. Democratic socialists like Sanders believe that the weaknesses and vulnerabilities of capitalism must be modified by socialist measures like Social Security, minimum wage standards, progressive taxes, etc. It was socialist modified capitalism that created the greatest middle class in history between 1933 and 1980.

    Welcome to the Democratic Hub Ezycat.

    I have had this exact same discussion with a number of people who genuinely don't understand even the most basic definitions of Socialism, Communism, Fascism, and Capitalism. And don't even get me started on what happens when I try to explain what a Democratic Socialist is to these same people. They all tend to be like a deer in headlights.

    Thank you for reminding everyone that it was policies that have their roots in "socialist modified capitalism" that are some of the most wildly popular programs in America. Don't tell the Tea Party that though. They are too busy focusing on keeping the governments hands off of their Medicare...

    Jared such exists already for ages in Europe; free education and health care raised me as an orphan kid; thus so nothing new. However "capitalism" has entered the "stage" there also; I call it the American decease. It creates greed and the 1%; Tax rates in France for the 1% are 75%!! ( but of course the 1% has manipulated that via plenty of "deductions" etc.)
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    Related to Sanders, I don't think he's aware of implications in the tax structure, moving in that direction. I'm afraid that in this country social programs will be under-funded, because of that our war and war equipment as well "security" budgets will have the priority here, as well in the future; this is an "baked" in situation here, because of the "power of the Pentagon, CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. etc. So tax wise the low income people will suffer more because a sliding scale as in Europe will never be accepted by the rich.
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    Dutch Wrote: Related to Sanders, I don't think he's aware of implications in the tax structure, moving in that direction. I'm afraid that in this country social programs will be under-funded, because of that our war and war equipment as well "security" budgets will have the priority here, as well in the future; this is an "baked" in situation here, because of the "power of the Pentagon, CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. etc. So tax wise the low income people will suffer more because a sliding scale as in Europe will never be accepted by the rich.

    The only thing Bernie needs to say is "I won't sign a budget that doesn't return the federal income tax rates back to what they were before Reagan came along and screwed everything up."

    Before Reagan came in the top marginal income tax rate was at 70% and it was at 90% or higher throughout the 50's and early 60's. Once that asshole was elected he slashed taxes and added hundreds of billions of dollars to our national debt by dramatically increasing our military spending without actually paying for it.

    Our social programs were funded well and we didn't have borrow money to pay for them before Reagan came around. After he ended his tenure they went under water and we have never figured out a way to get them back in the black. That's because the filthy rich in this country, through Reaganomics, have somehow convinced average Americans that low taxes, or should I say "trickle down economics" benefits everyone. This belief isn't based on any factual evidence, but when have Republicans ever spent much time caring about facts?

    Bernie can change this by stating that he will refuse to sign any budget that doesn't dramatically alter the tax code that is wholly skewed towards the super rich in this country. He obviously isn't pandering to the super rich like every other politician in this country, so he won't be beholden to them if he is actually elected.

    I know it's wishful thinking, but I actually think he is one of the only politicians who won't compromise his values in the name of winning an election. That, more than any reason else, is why I really like him.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Related to Sanders, I don't think he's aware of implications in the tax structure, moving in that direction. I'm afraid that in this country social programs will be under-funded, because of that our war and war equipment as well "security" budgets will have the priority here, as well in the future; this is an "baked" in situation here, because of the "power of the Pentagon, CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. etc. So tax wise the low income people will suffer more because a sliding scale as in Europe will never be accepted by the rich.

    The only thing Bernie needs to say is "I won't sign a budget that doesn't return the federal income tax rates back to what they were before Reagan came along and screwed everything up."

    Before Reagan came in the top marginal income tax rate was at 70% and it was at 90% or higher throughout the 50's and early 60's. Once that asshole was elected he slashed taxes and added hundreds of billions of dollars to our national debt by dramatically increasing our military spending without actually paying for it.

    Our social programs were funded well and we didn't have borrow money to pay for them before Reagan came around. After he ended his tenure they went under water and we have never figured out a way to get them back in the black. That's because the filthy rich in this country, through Reaganomics, have somehow convinced average Americans that low taxes, or should I say "trickle down economics" benefits everyone. This belief isn't based on any factual evidence, but when have Republicans ever spent much time caring about facts?

    Bernie can change this by stating that he will refuse to sign any budget that doesn't dramatically alter the tax code that is wholly skewed towards the super rich in this country. He obviously isn't pandering to the super rich like every other politician in this country, so he won't be beholden to them if he is actually elected.

    I know it's wishful thinking, but I actually think he is one of the only politicians who won't compromise his values in the name of winning an election. That, more than any reason else, is why I really like him.

    Yes Jared, I agree. Sure it is wishful thinking ; the problem is that as with Obama the government structure here runs the show not the President. The way it is now and likely will stay is the polarization which blocks everything and makes it even more difficult to get things done. Obama wanted a lot of things but did not get it done. Looking at the GOP clan; they are the worst bunch than ever, so I believe the present form of government (Constitution or not) can't continue this way. Socialistic idea's are great but our war cost etc. will prevent it being implemented; we are broke except our billionaires. Thus Bernie should know that; so I give him not much chance to win in the end.
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    Reagan was also responsible for causing a huge amount of damage to education. Many Americans and American industry benefited from the CETA program. Now industry can't find qualified individuals to fill positions. Grants and federal loan spending was also drastically cut. The result is that our education system is falling further and further behind other industrialized nations. My heart goes out to today's young people who are often victimized by predatory school loans and for profit schools.

    People may want to peg Bernie Sanders as being a socialist, but he is our best hope to restoring democracy in this country. Although many don't realize it, he also is the best hope for capitalism in this country. We need a strong educated middle class for business to thrive, because it will provide a strong consumer base. Businesses are extremely volatile because they are surviving on virtual money and not real money. We have all these mega companies being formed because so many companies fail and end up being bought up. However, they may look good on paper, but still face the same problems of a weak consumer base.

    We need election reform if we ever hope to have a working Congress again. Congress is gridlocked because everyone is worried about where there campaign funding comes from. We have a crumbling inner-structure, yet billions of dollars are going to be spent on the presidential elections. This is absolutely shameful. If billionaires have the money to corrupt politics, they have the money to pay their fair share of taxes.

    Bernie Sanders is Americas best hope and deserves the support of everyone who cares about this country.

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    FreedomFighter Wrote:

    Reagan was also responsible for causing a huge amount of damage to education. Many Americans and American industry benefited from the CETA program. Now industry can't find qualified individuals to fill positions. Grants and federal loan spending was also drastically cut. The result is that our education system is falling further and further behind other industrialized nations. My heart goes out to today's young people who are often victimized by predatory school loans and for profit schools.

    People may want to peg Bernie Sanders as being a socialist, but he is our best hope to restoring democracy in this country. Although many don't realize it, he also is the best hope for capitalism in this country. We need a strong educated middle class for business to thrive, because it will provide a strong consumer base. Businesses are extremely volatile because they are surviving on virtual money and not real money. We have all these mega companies being formed because so many companies fail and end up being bought up. However, they may look good on paper, but still face the same problems of a weak consumer base.

    We need election reform if we ever hope to have a working Congress again. Congress is gridlocked because everyone is worried about where there campaign funding comes from. We have a crumbling inner-structure, yet billions of dollars are going to be spent on the presidential elections. This is absolutely shameful. If billionaires have the money to corrupt politics, they have the money to pay their fair share of taxes.

    Bernie Sanders is Americas best hope and deserves the support of everyone who cares about this country.

    Very true but the typical American voter is an under-informed, mis-informed idiot and Sanders doesn't really have a chance. If Biden is dumb enough to run he will only give the election to someone like Trump

    Hillary has blown it and is now basically unelectable. We are entering a very dangerous time for sure!

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    pr Wrote:
    FreedomFighter Wrote:

    Reagan was also responsible for causing a huge amount of damage to education. Many Americans and American industry benefited from the CETA program. Now industry can't find qualified individuals to fill positions. Grants and federal loan spending was also drastically cut. The result is that our education system is falling further and further behind other industrialized nations. My heart goes out to today's young people who are often victimized by predatory school loans and for profit schools.

    People may want to peg Bernie Sanders as being a socialist, but he is our best hope to restoring democracy in this country. Although many don't realize it, he also is the best hope for capitalism in this country. We need a strong educated middle class for business to thrive, because it will provide a strong consumer base. Businesses are extremely volatile because they are surviving on virtual money and not real money. We have all these mega companies being formed because so many companies fail and end up being bought up. However, they may look good on paper, but still face the same problems of a weak consumer base.

    We need election reform if we ever hope to have a working Congress again. Congress is gridlocked because everyone is worried about where there campaign funding comes from. We have a crumbling inner-structure, yet billions of dollars are going to be spent on the presidential elections. This is absolutely shameful. If billionaires have the money to corrupt politics, they have the money to pay their fair share of taxes.

    Bernie Sanders is Americas best hope and deserves the support of everyone who cares about this country.

    Very true but the typical American voter is an under-informed, mis-informed idiot and Sanders doesn't really have a chance. If Biden is dumb enough to run he will only give the election to someone like Trump

    Hillary has blown it and is now basically unelectable. We are entering a very dangerous time for sure!

    Wow; We are entering a very dangerous time for sure? I thought everything was "rosy" . Sorry "Trump" was sent here by you know who; thus a "preacher" in wolfs clothes. He wants to make the largest "army" ever, all paid for by Mexico and ISIS. So no problem.
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    Holy Jebezuz Dutch! Are you telling us God sent Trump here? Does that mean "God bless the king" will be the new American pledge of alliegence!
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    pr Wrote: Holy Jebezuz Dutch! Are you telling us God sent Trump here? Does that mean "God bless the king" will be the new American pledge of alliegence!
    Wow, A "king" with such an hairdo? I am kind of curious who his running mate will be? MIss USA 1970?
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    Probably Carly F.. She f'ed up HP now she can work on the whole country!
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    Since America's capitalism has managed to turn the U.S. Government into a corrupt oligarchy one can only conclude that capitalism is a serious enemy of the people unless the legal systems are willing to put legal restraints on their greed and corruption and in America our legal systems are protecting and working for these swindling greedy bastards.

    The only way the American people will ever establish a New Republic is to abolish that corrupt oligarchy and totally reform its legal systems.

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    Connie -- You make some good points, although I might not be as severe on America as you are. But you make one point that is wishful but will never happen:

    "The only way the American people will ever establish a New Republic is to abolish that corrupt oligarchy and totally reform its legal systems."

    It won't happen because outside of the Christian Crusaders and the Tea Party government haters, Americans are not energized enough to care to vote other than in presidential elections. There is a reason why Republicans control the governorships, the state legislatures, and now both houses of Congress. Liberals and progressives DON'T VOTE, especially in midterm elections. We like to bitch about government and our elected leaders, but come election day we go fishing.

    Bernie Sanders has made a lot of "promises" but if he is elected President, and the Republicans resume their sabotage campaign, nothing will get done. Sanders will be blamed for not fulfilling his campaign promises, and disillusioned liberals and progressives will stay home in the next midterm election, thus having a repeat of 2010 and 2014.

    That's my prediction. As a former Democratic Party precinct chair that has canvassed neighborhoods until my legs could not take it, I know my fellow liberals very well. There is a core group of liberals, perhaps like yourself, that are energized, but our numbers need more than part time activists that participate every four years. That's reality. Do you have suggestions to undo that reality or do you just like to bitch?