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If not NOW.....WHEN???

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    Reading the news and viewing televised media junk this morning on the debates, I see that comments are all over the spectrum of favorite verses the opposition. Many indicated that Trump failed, as expected, and that Bush and Rubio were the clear winners. It's all who is claiming the victory on THEIR favorite candidate. As I read this mornings newspaper I came upon Sen. Claire McCaskill's report on her visit to talk to the public about her new book. Claire notes how hard it is for woman to run in politics, where male domination undermines the advances of women. Ms. McCaskill has been called many vulgar names and falsified as sleeping around the Political Offices. One politician, which she visited to get bill passage, told her to bring knew pads next time she visits. Ms. McCaskill has been asked to attend the parties where politicians engage in all sorts of questionable and lewd practices. Do you think a woman has to put up with all that junk? Claire indicates that a woman needs to be strong, but caring, which the caring is a womanly tribute on compassion.

    I am convinced the time is now for a woman for the Presidency and I see that Hillary is the woman that best fits that role. Carlie Fiona (Republican), appears to be too Trump-like or desiring to maintain the Republican agenda at the cost of the poor and benefiting the wealthy. Carlie has denounced Obama so many times that I believe she will make good on her statement to redraw all Obama's accomplishments. The Republican woman of choice is dangerous to America.

    Vote for Hillary...........America's choice for women around the world. I say around the world, because just like Margaret Thatcher, Hillary will mark her place in the world of politics and foreign policy.

    If not NOW..........WHEN?

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    Wake up Mary, we're on the same side. Stop wasting your time trying to sell us Hillary. We all know what she is (and isn't) and we will all be forced to vote for her.

    Try and find a real audience (right wing, conservative, old men) that you can convince instead of trying to sell us the same tired old Hillary agenda - we get it and always have.

    If you keep posting the same old tiring drivel you have, no one here will pay any attention to you. Right now you are wasting your time on the wrong audience. Go out and knock on doors and sell her on the street where she really needs it!

    And, smarten up and read between the lines, you are getting mighty full of yourself!

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    Mary Kirby Wrote: I guess I have exposed the glass ceiling as you have suggested. Yesterday was my birthday and a couple of the people I am having the conversation with seem to take my thread line offensive. Hmm They even suggested I stop it. They gave me a gift.

    No one is taking your thread line offensively. I was only suggesting that if you want to be taken seriously then signing off with the same sentence every time probably isn't the best way to achieve that.

    Mary Kirby Wrote: Could it be they really can't answer the question? Does it mean that they are fearful that if a woman is elected this will open the flood gates for women to be taken seriously in the male dominated political realm?

    This is what you call a straw man argument.

    I would be ecstatic of Senator Warren was elected; I would be ecstatic if Senator Klobuchar was elected; I would be ecstatic if Senator Gillibrand was elected; I would be ecstatic if any number of women were elected to be our next President.

    And you know what? If Secretary Clinton is the eventual nominee then I will vote for her. But I have a hard time blindly lining up behind someone who I have serious concerns about and then being accused of sexism because I have genuine concerns about her candidacy.

    Just because I have a hard time getting excited about Secretary Clinton being our next President doesn't mean I'm a sexist who is fearful for women to be taken seriously in the male dominated political realm. That is offensive and pretty damn juvenile.

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    You act like I am taking you to the gallows. Did you watch the debates? I posted my thoughts on them and can not see any of your thoughts. Are you trying to provoke or control me? I hardly think your comment of "full of yourself" is appropriate. You were the one who was telling me what to thread and say seems like you got that full of yourself comment backwards. Maybe I am looking for like minds who can tell me why anyone else, if I have to or other excuse to vote for Hillary is all you can come up with. It all starts right here before we take it to the streets. Your hostility is apparent and my resolve will only get firmer to know the why.
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    Keep talking Kansas.....The debates last night were just the beginning. Debbie came out this morning swinging. She was asked if Carly Fiorina was a good candidate and she flat out said no then went on to explain just why Carly Fiorina was fired from Hewitt Packard. Everyone went very quiet.Seems Fiorina's only resume is HP and that may not hold up.
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    Mary Kirby Wrote: You act like I am taking you to the gallows. Did you watch the debates? I posted my thoughts on them and can not see any of your thoughts. Are you trying to provoke or control me? I hardly think your comment of "full of yourself" is appropriate. You were the one who was telling me what to thread and say seems like you got that full of yourself comment backwards. Maybe I am looking for like minds who can tell me why anyone else, if I have to or other excuse to vote for Hillary is all you can come up with. It all starts right here before we take it to the streets. Your hostility is apparent and my resolve will only get firmer to know the why.

    Mary you seem to be having a real problem here. No one to my knowledge has said anything about disliking Hillary because she is a woman. You are putting words in our mouths. No one here is taking you to the gallows! Just because many of us feel there may be a better candidate than Hillary and it may not be a woman you accuse us of being sexist. Sorry, you are dead wrong and delusional if that's what you believe.

    I happen to think Hillary is well qualified for the job and I don't believe any of the right wing foolishness from Bengazi to her email server rubbish. It's all made up to make her look bad. Her biggest problem is her public image. It simply stinks because she does not come across as genuine to the typical voter. I'm not saying I don't feel she is genuine, I'm saying that is the image she presents along with being cold and calculating turns many people off. She has had very poor advice and is digging heself deeper and deeper into the hole because of her appearance of aloofness. You may not agree and that is ok but just because everyone doesn't see it your way doesn't mean they are against you or Hillary. You are the one full of hostility and anger here because we happen to think there is someone out there whom could make a better president.

    Personally, my wife and I did not watch the debates. We didn't watch because it was nothing but a sideshow to promote Fox. There is nothing any one of those clowns could ever say to make any of us her want to vote for them and what they say is meaningless to us. Why waste you time listening them? It would be a much more productive way to spend our time listening to a serious candidate like Berie Sanders speaking the truth that most do not want to hear or face. Hillary speaker in generalized talking points, very careful to never to ruffle anyone's feeling she thinks may vote for her. Do we know how she really feels about the TTP, the Keystone pipeline, the military, the economy? No, because she is afraid to talk about them definitively and she changes her views based on what she feels she can gain from popular opinion. She may not lie but then again she doesn't exactly tell the truth either. We don't really know what she is thinking other than generalized BS talking points.

    We could certainly do a lot worse that Hillary but we can do better, unfortunately, we won't!

    Go out and sell her to the opposition they are the one that need to be convinced not us.

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    Hillary will not speak for some time on issues such as, TPP, Keystone Pipeline, military, economy and a host of others due to the FACT she was intimately involved on the front lines of all these issues. To come forward on HER beliefs and ideas during a campaign still in the far future, she risks undermining President Obama's initiatives. Hillary may in fact either support Obama on all of these or she may have other options. Hillary will not interfere with what the current President is trying to accomplish. Hillary is a major player in the politics of the Democratic Party, even though she holds no office officially. To speak officially would be a confrontation with her Party.

    That being said, Hillary "MAY" speak more on these subjects as the campaign moves on to more formal debates closer to the election period. Everybody can rest peacefully that Hillary knows fully where she stands and when she may be permitted to speak without causing damage to the Party. I have much respect for Hilary in she is keeping silent on these things she knows much about. After all, Hillary while in office did sit in on major Cabinet meetings on all these subjects. You cannot say this for most all other candidates, because as they spew out their venom on these issues and Obama's Presidency, it is clear they don't know beans about these issues.

    A Hillary note recently today, indicates her new policy endorsement, or options to pay for the massive student education debt. This issue was considered safe for her to speak on and make proposals for future Congressional action. Additionally, it entices the younger voter beaten down by heavy student debt to give Hillary a vote for her campaign. Hey, stuff like this works. Hillary is just getting started. Now wait to hear the Republican Party and Hillary's opposition speak on her new proposal. It is forthcoming.........you betcha! (Palin....where is she?)

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    Several here have me all wrong. I heard the rumbles in Democratic circles of their unhappiness with Hillary and I wanted to find out the why and if anything could be done to change the thinking of many about her. If our own party has to come with excuses to vote for her, how is she going to sway the Independents ? I bet many of you do not know that she came within 305 delegate votes of being nominated in 2008. The figures were Barack O'bama 2200 Aprox, to 1900 Hillary Approx. She could have taken it to the convention and we may have well had a brokered nomination with a bitter fight but no she withdrew and stepped aside. Our attitude towards the candidate from inside the Party has a lot to show other voters our confidence in them I started this thread to get information Information to see if we still hold women to the same standards as those in 1868 or had we progressed beyond that thinking. I have gotten feedback from both realms. Yes, all of you will vote for her but will the rhetoric of the few be the same as it is here. You attach buts to that vote without even giving a substantial explanation. We can only assume that you are not ready to vote for a woman. Last night a Republican Candidate, Mark Rubio acknowledged that our candidate Hillary Clinton had a resume that they could not beat. Here is a young male from the other side acknowledging the depth of our candidate while our Party is still searching for someone else. Oh yes you say you will support a woman . You name Elizabeth Warren. Safe for you. She is not running. Get over it. So you go ahead with your unhappiness in our Candidate and keep on searching for that perfect candidate and I will keep on supporting Hillary here. (Others read this beside you) I am sure she will have many supporters who will have her back.

    It not NOW....WHEN???

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    Mary, your posts have become very tiresome!

    Youu assume way to much and seem to have a feeling that if people aren't in love with Hillary then they are against you and all women in general.

    Nothong could be further from the truth but you are unable to accept the truth so there is no sense in even carry on this conversation with you.

    You have failed in your attempt to sell Hillary, not because she is a good or bad candidate but because you have NO interest it what others have to say. It's Mary's way or the highway.

    The highway seem to be the high road for me and I'm headed to it right now. Enjoy your cruise through this topic with other less open minded individuals. Maybe Even stop at a church with them and pray for us - I'm sure you both feel we need some divine guidance in our lives!

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    Mary, your posts have become very tiresome!

    Youu assume way to much and seem to have a feeling that if people aren't in love with Hillary then they are against you and all women in general.

    Nothong could be further from the truth but you are unable to accept the truth so there is no sense in even carry on this conversation with you.

    You have failed in your attempt to sell Hillary, not because she is a good or bad candidate but because you have NO interest it what others have to say. It's Mary's way or the highway.

    The highway seem to be the high road for me and I'm headed to it right now. Enjoy your cruise through this topic with other less open minded individuals. Maybe Even stop at a church with them and pray for us - I'm sure you both feel we need some divine guidance in our lives!

    Yes P.R. most Americans in my experience get all hyped up in no time, that is part of the culture, once they put someone on a pedestal then there is no going back. That is taught in church so that reflects in everything they do; they run behind everything the media promotes without analyzing or thinking. Most people here look at things piecemeal, but seldom look at the big picture of things.
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    You may dismiss me all you want You never read my comments, I have said she is not perfect but as usual you have nothing to back up your comments. I suppose you like the thrill of looking for someone perfect for you. You are tiresome. Your voices will not drown out the voices and support for Hillary. We know we have the winner and we are proud of her.

    If not NOW....WHEN

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    You obviously haven't read or can't comprehend what I have written. You are tiresome. In fact I think reality has sunk in with you and YOU CAN'T TAKE IT. Too bad you will still be looking for that "perfect candidate" on election night.

    If not NOW...WHEN ????