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Run, Joe, Run!

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  • jaredsxtn
    2015-08-02 02:29:52 PM
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    There's been a lot of talk lately about Vice President Biden jumping into the 2016 race for President and I think that's a great thing. I'm not afraid to admit it--I want Joe Biden to be our next President. He's more electable than Bernie Sanders and he's far more liberal than Hillary Clinton. He is the most likely person to maintain President Obama's legislative achievements and is more closely aligned to Obama's agenda than any of the other candidates. He has to be...he's been President Obama's number two for the past seven years.

    I understand a lot of people want to reflexively support Secretary Clinton or Sanders. I am a huge fan of Bernie Sanders and his political positions are aligned closely with my views, but I am also a pragmatist and don't see any scenario where Senator Sanders could win 270 Electoral College votes.

    Most of you also know that I am not extremely excited about a prospective Hillary Clinton Presidency. She would far and above better than any Republican President, but I just can't see myself having the fire to support her with everything I have. This is for many reasons, but mainly because I truly feel that this country of 300 plus million people doesn't have more than two families who can lead it.

    Am I crazy for wanting Biden to run? Do you honestly think that any other candidate could carry on Obama's legacy better than he could? Love him or hate him--he's the best person to build upon all of the accomplishments of these past seven years and continue to move us forward into a new liberal era.

  • pr
    2015-08-02 03:05:22 PM
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    There's been a lot of talk lately about Vice President Biden jumping into the 2016 race for President and I think that's a great thing. I'm not afraid to admit it--I want Joe Biden to be our next President. He's more electable than Bernie Sanders and he's far more liberal than Hillary Clinton. He is the most likely person to maintain President Obama's legislative achievements and is more closely aligned to Obama's agenda than any of the other candidates. He has to be...he's been President Obama's number two for the past seven years.

    I understand a lot of people want to reflexively support Secretary Clinton or Sanders. I am a huge fan of Bernie Sanders and his political positions are aligned closely with my views, but I am also a pragmatist and don't see any scenario where Senator Sanders could win 270 Electoral College votes.

    Most of you also know that I am not extremely excited about a prospective Hillary Clinton Presidency. She would far and above better than any Republican President, but I just can't see myself having the fire to support her with everything I have. This is for many reasons, but mainly because I truly feel that this country of 300 plus million people doesn't have more than two families who can lead it.

    Am I crazy for wanting Biden to run? Do you honestly think that any other candidate could carry on Obama's legacy better than he could? Love him or hate him--he's the best person to build upon all of the accomplishments of these past seven years and continue to move us forward into a new liberal era.

    I have to agree with all you said, BUT, I don't think Biden would have a chance of winning. More of the same ol', same ol'. I would be more afraid of one of the clowns actually winning if anyone but Hillary is the candidate! Sad to say, I know, but...

  • eternal flame
    2015-08-02 03:18:09 PM
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    Yes, I can easily see Joe Biden taking over the helm. He is a wonderful man, no doubt, he has great character & intelligence. He has hidden away from the spotlight most of the Obama presidency, (Or else the media cameras make it seem like he is less visible). But during the funeral for his son, Joe was instantly shown for the great person he is. That ceremony would have made even a heartless stone cry. I love the easy comraderie between Joe & President Obama, & the way they easily interact. It is subtle, but uplifting to watch. We are blessed to have such good men of exceptional character & intelligence to lead us.

    There are 2 others who have a legitimate claim to the Prize. Hillary & Bernie are both extremely well-prepared for the highest office, (the Oval Office). It seems impossible to have to choose among them. I WISH WE COULD ELECT ALL THREE. The Presidency in the 21st century is very complex, & it could easily use all the talent we have, to accomplish it all. (But look at the Democratic Ticket in 2015: Obama, Biden, Clinton, & Sanders). --- A list of AMERICA's FINEST.

  • Dutch
    2015-08-03 08:18:55 AM
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    pr Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    There's been a lot of talk lately about Vice President Biden jumping into the 2016 race for President and I think that's a great thing. I'm not afraid to admit it--I want Joe Biden to be our next President. He's more electable than Bernie Sanders and he's far more liberal than Hillary Clinton. He is the most likely person to maintain President Obama's legislative achievements and is more closely aligned to Obama's agenda than any of the other candidates. He has to be...he's been President Obama's number two for the past seven years.

    I understand a lot of people want to reflexively support Secretary Clinton or Sanders. I am a huge fan of Bernie Sanders and his political positions are aligned closely with my views, but I am also a pragmatist and don't see any scenario where Senator Sanders could win 270 Electoral College votes.

    Most of you also know that I am not extremely excited about a prospective Hillary Clinton Presidency. She would far and above better than any Republican President, but I just can't see myself having the fire to support her with everything I have. This is for many reasons, but mainly because I truly feel that this country of 300 plus million people doesn't have more than two families who can lead it.

    Am I crazy for wanting Biden to run? Do you honestly think that any other candidate could carry on Obama's legacy better than he could? Love him or hate him--he's the best person to build upon all of the accomplishments of these past seven years and continue to move us forward into a new liberal era.

    I have to agree with all you said, BUT, I don't think Biden would have a chance of winning. More of the same ol', same ol'. I would be more afraid of one of the clowns actually winning if anyone but Hillary is the candidate! Sad to say, I know, but...

    Yes P.R. I fully agree; it is a circus out there; even a nut case can win in the end ask the Koch brothers.
  • that guy in Arizona
    2015-08-03 11:56:27 AM
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    Lots of good thoughts on this thread, so it's instructive to look back in history to see how various candidates compared in the past.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_opinion_polling_for_the_Democratic_Party_2008_presidential_candidates

    Up until March of 2008, Hillary had a commanding lead over virtually every other candidate, including Obama.

    I agree that Joe Biden is a good man, but the highest that he ever got in the polls was 3%, way back in December of 2007.

    Howard Schultz was recently mentioned as a candidate as well, but he simply would not have enough support to get elected, which also happens to be true for Bernie, Lincoln Chafee, Martin O'Malley, and Jim Webb.

    In the end, Obama's victory over Hillary was very narrow. Hillary actually got more voters in the primary, and a higher percentage of votes cast, but Obama picked up more delegates than she did, which gave him the nomination.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2008

    Few of us are going to get warm and fuzzy over Hillary for President, but I think that she has the best chance of becoming President. She's learned a lot of political tricks from both her husband and Obama, and her terms as a Senator from New York, and as Secretary of State, give her a background that can achieve successes both in domestic and foreign affairs.

    With 21 current members in the clown car, it's fairly obvious that the Republicans do not have ANYONE who is qualified to be President, as exemplified by the Doonesbury strip in yesterday's paper.

  • jaredsxtn
    2015-08-03 02:57:42 PM
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    that guy in Arizona Wrote: Few of us are going to get warm and fuzzy over Hillary for President, but I think that she has the best chance of becoming President. She's learned a lot of political tricks from both her husband and Obama, and her terms as a Senator from New York, and as Secretary of State, give her a background that can achieve successes both in domestic and foreign affairs.

    You've raised a lot of valid points Guy, but I have to say that being Vice President for 7 (soon to be 8) years is just as much, if not more, of a qualifier than being Secretary of State for four. Biden was also a Senator for 36 years and held various Committee Chairmanships and Ranking Member positions throughout his tenure. If anyone is qualified to be President, it is him.

    I fully understand the politics surrounding his potential run how a good chunk of Democrats want him to step aside so Hillary can basically run unopposed, but I just don't think that's good for our party. If she is going to be the nominee then there needs to be someone who makes her earn it and not just let her win the nomination before the first primary vote is cast.

  • AmcmurryFreedom
    2015-08-03 04:23:00 PM
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    So why has my post been removed? What rule was broken. Common make one up, I dare you!
  • jaredsxtn
    2015-08-03 04:49:20 PM
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: So why has my post been removed? What rule was broken. Common make one up, I dare you!

    Copying and pasting the same posting onto a different thread is not allowed.

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    The post you originally wrote is still on the website, but you can not just copy and paste things onto other posts because no one replied to your original posting.

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  • Michael39301
    2015-08-03 05:40:14 PM
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    I certain;y agree with your analysis Jared, but what about Bernie? He has ZERO experience with the White House or as a Cabinet member, so why do you think he where he is in the polls? The bigger negative I see for Biden is that he is such a late-comer. I'm not saying too late, but why do you think he has held back so long? And don't you think he is smart enough to realize this?
  • jaredsxtn
    2015-08-04 05:51:48 PM
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    Michael39301 Wrote: I certain;y agree with your analysis Jared, but what about Bernie? He has ZERO experience with the White House or as a Cabinet member, so why do you think he where he is in the polls?

    President Obama had zero experience in the White House or as a Cabinet member and yet he turned out to be one of the best Presidents we have had in decades. We are on the cusp of having the pendulum swinging back to the left after a few decades of disastrous Reaganomics and we have President Obama to thank for that. I'd say that having zero experience with the White House as a Cabinet member did him quite well.

    With regards to Bernie--I love him. He speaks his mind and isn't afraid to do so. And the American people actually agree with the vast majority of his policy positions. This isn't just people on the left. People on the right also agree with his policy positions, but their positions change after pollsters tell them that Bernie is a socialist democrat.

    Michael39301 Wrote:The bigger negative I see for Biden is that he is such a late-comer. I'm not saying too late, but why do you think he has held back so long? And don't you think he is smart enough to realize this?

    Since when is a year and three months before an election considered being a late-comer? Our democracy is broken if the only thing our prospective leaders are worried about is jumping in the race early enough so they can get as many billionaires on their side as possible.

  • Dutch
    2015-08-05 08:28:41 AM
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Michael39301 Wrote: I certain;y agree with your analysis Jared, but what about Bernie? He has ZERO experience with the White House or as a Cabinet member, so why do you think he where he is in the polls?

    President Obama had zero experience in the White House or as a Cabinet member and yet he turned out to be one of the best Presidents we have had in decades. We are on the cusp of having the pendulum swinging back to the left after a few decades of disastrous Reaganomics and we have President Obama to thank for that. I'd say that having zero experience with the White House as a Cabinet member did him quite well.

    With regards to Bernie--I love him. He speaks his mind and isn't afraid to do so. And the American people actually agree with the vast majority of his policy positions. This isn't just people on the left. People on the right also agree with his policy positions, but their positions change after pollsters tell them that Bernie is a socialist democrat.

    Michael39301 Wrote:The bigger negative I see for Biden is that he is such a late-comer. I'm not saying too late, but why do you think he has held back so long? And don't you think he is smart enough to realize this?

    Since when is a year and three months before an election considered being a late-comer? Our democracy is broken if the only thing our prospective leaders are worried about is jumping in the race early enough so they can get as many billionaires on their side as possible.

    Jared I fully agree with your comments; the only thing is if I look at the "money" part of it then I have to puke; Mr.Jeb Bush raised about 108 million; so what does all of this mean if the game is "spending" this money on all kinds of B.S. What a country; aren't people getting a bit ashamed? I guess they are to stupid to realize which game is being played over their heads. Like you said our billionaires have so much money that they see this as "gambling" pocket change. What a fun!!
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