Dear AmcmurryFreedom (and anyone else interested),
I'm sorry you see this as a trap, it isn't and won't be. Let me offer some of the more obvious reasons, because I don't think you'll take my word for it.
First, what is my motive for a "trap?" Assume that it is a trap. What are the chances that I am able to destroy thousands (I suppose) of progressives? I'm not sure how bright I am, but I am absolutely certain that no one with a hidden motive would win an argument against Democratic Hub, especially not me. The last time I debated was in High School, because we all had to give it a try. The only time I ever ran for any office was the one time, over a decade ago, when I wanted to be on the school board. I lost and haven't tried again. I'm not a masochist and I'm not trying to start a fight I know I would lose.
Second, what do I stand to gain from setting a trap? I waved good bye to 60 quite some time ago. I've given up on winning and losing, I'm past that. Now, all I want to do is learn, look for truth, and there are many different truths to find.
Third, I type two fingers at a time. Consider the typing that I've done, just to ask my question and make myself understood. I could have been typing to a woman in Ohio that I've become fond of.
In sum, if you can't take my word that this isn't a trap, use some reason to help guide you.
I am not asking how the Democratic party helped in the past, is helping in the present, or will help in the future. Or, for that matter, why the Republicans are terrible. Anybody can find those things out instantly by going to Democratic Hub or Republican Hub (if there is such a thing). Each party can, and does, say that everything would be peachy if it weren't for the opposition of the other party. I know all that, everybody knows all that.
I'll try to ask a little differently. My sister, whom I respect, is a bigger fan of Obama than of previous presidents. I assume that's because Obama is a strong and determined (Liberal? Progressive? Somebody tell me what word to use.) political figure. But she cuts off the conversation quickly, maybe she just doesn't like talking about politics.
I could have gone through this asking for his accomplishments, but there's some website that lists 269 of them, including signing the Lily Ledbetter (sp?) Act. I don't want a discussion of whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, or whether any of his accomplishments are a good or bad thing. I don't have the patience for that, and Republicans will argue with Democrats over the first accomplishment and continue through the next 268. In the immortal words of somebody or other in some movie, "I'm too old for that shit." (Just hit me. Sgt. Murtaugh in Lethal Weapon.)
Here's what I'm hoping for. Somebody will suggest that the economic strength of the country will have grown substantially over his presidency. Others may say that absolutely that is the case. If I ask any questions of those people, they will be these: "How did you determine or measure that?" and "Was there one or two actions taken that largely account for that improvement?"
I have no interest in saying you're right or wrong. Communication is stopped when the arguing begins. I just signed on here, because I figured that this was a source of widely and honestly held beliefs that I can learn from. I don't know if I will agree or not. I'll probably agree with some things and disagree with others, but who cares? That's true about everything. I won't go any deeper unless someone asks me to. I truly am here to learn, not fight. I won't learn anything from a fight, and if I learn something, then it's all worthwhile. In a real sense, if I learn, I win.
Thanks, though, for freely expressing your worry that I might be a phony. I'm grateful that you felt free and comfortable enough to express it.
P.s. I just saw an article describing a federal grant given to a University to study how men look at women when the men have been drinking. The University (I think it was Iowa) has been awarded about a quarter of a million dollars so far. The grant runs until April.
Now, my kind of person will laugh, then come up with some fairly witty remarks on the project. (Many of my friends will be glad to tell you how they look at women when they have been drinking.) It will be harder for me to understand you if you say, "Good! Anything we can do to help destroy the sexually violent, patriarchal aspect of American society, it's abuse of women, and the curse of alcohol, is worth every penny!" - C -