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Swift-Boating Hillary

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  • Democrat
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    I assume this political tactic to swift-boat will continue in politics. I believe we first heard of this moniker when Kerry was running for official office. The group identified as Swift-Boaters, which later proved false was just a bad political tactic to erase all credibility of a good person. Lies, and more lies resulted as the swift-boat controversy continued and today we all know the rest of the story, as this group of swift-boaters have been found out as who they really are as just a bunch of instigating, false reporting and lunatics desiring only to remove the people's candidate from having a chance to serve in office. After the swift-boat activity worked against Kerry, we see today that Kerry is a very formable force as Secretary of State. Maybe it was his true calling, but I would have enjoyed seeing him champion earlier his presence in line for the Presidential Office.

    Now we see this same effort is undermining Hillary for President. Benghazi and Emails are impacting her attempts in receiving candidate mention for the highest office in America. Swift-Boat Hillary, it may work, but yet again it may fail and provide more evidence there is many things that are rotten in politics. I would like to see an investigation into those that are behind the swift-boat campaign on Hillary. Does it pass the smell test for an actual investigation into Hillary or does it only seek to prevent Hillary from seeking Office? These tactics have many donors funding these efforts of swift-boat campaigns, so just how much are taxpayers spending? I bet if taxpayers knew how much these investigations cost, we would be angry to know that what little evidence is presented against Hillary, it would be cost-prohibitive to pursue. I do not believe Hillary is as evil as these swift-boaters claim she is while acting in official capacity. I do believe the politics at play here is evil and that swift-boating is an evil tactic of the opposition.

  • Democrat
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    As the election gets closer to intensive campaigning, watch the swift-boat actions to bring Hillary down as America's choice for a woman President. It's not only her email, Benghazi, Secretary of State, donations, business dealings, and her humanitarian organization, she now has the been informed the FBI is investigating her private computer server setup to see if she may have violated Federal laws due to her national position.

    Hillary is being swift-boated, just like John Kerry during past Presidential campaigning. Politics is disgusting and shows the worst of human behavior.

    My prayers and hope for Hillary to stay the course, be strong, and best..............just take it like a woman. Most men would cry like babies going through this type of attack. I see that many women are very capable of telling their attackers to quit bringing a knife to gun fight. Hillary, I see is a strong woman and capable of being one of the best Presidents America has offered. She will continue and possibly enhance Obama's legacy with her own blend of women in politics. I'm sure she has not agreed with all that Obama has done and It is perceived that she would have accomplished solutions differently as if we may say.........a woman's touch.

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    It seems our fellow Democrats have forgotten or maybe they are too young that having someone's back is a great part of the political game. We are seeing a concentrated effort in the Rupert Murdoch media to try to sabotage and influence voters with propaganda and outright lies. First the Times comes out that they are criminally investigating Hillary and then the next day well we may have got it wrong...You get my drift. This has already happened quite often. We all know once you ring a bell you can't unring it.(so to speak) My worry is we have these wishy- washy Democrats who wring their hands about voting for a woman who clearly has a resume that tops any that have come forward to run. They ,just as the right, can doom her candidacy before she has had a chance to get her ideas for our Country out. Your ideas?

  • Liberal
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    She hasn't told us her ideas yet! And yes, you are correct, the are trying to Swift Boat her and only she can stop it by telling the Independents, the Repubilcans and undecided and everyone else, for that matter, why they are wrong. Stop crying and start telling this to the people whom need to hear it, not us!
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    pr Wrote: She hasn't told us her ideas yet!

    Hear, hear!

    pr Wrote: And yes, you are correct, the are trying to Swift Boat her and only she can stop it by telling the Independents, the Repubilcans and undecided and everyone else, for that matter, why they are wrong. Stop crying and start telling this to the people whom need to hear it, not us!

    And that's the entire point of political opposition. Do we honestly expect Republicans or Fox News to heap praise on Secretary Clinton?

    I have two main issues with Secretary Clinton. One is that she's a war hawk and I am against using our military unless it is a last resort. The second is that if Secretary Clinton or Jeb Bush wins the Presidency then a Bush or Clinton will have been President or Vice President for 32 out of the last 40 years (1981-2009 & 2017-2021). If that person wins reelection then it would be 36 out of the last 44 years.

    I'm sorry, but we don't need two families passing the Presidency back and forth like a hot potato. There are over 300 million people in this country. We surely can have more than two families lead it.

  • Democrat
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    There's most likely a reason why Hillary has been silent on issues. However, Obama is taking off to Martha's Vineyard for a two week hiatus. So guess who is invited...........Hillary & Bill of course. I'd sure like to be a mouse listening in on the conversations. I bet that Hillary will have the chance to expose her campaign strategies if Obama doesn't already know. Hillary can at this time take the opportunity to ask Obama what would be too sensitive to discuss on the campaign at this early date. Since the Iran issue is the hottest, Hillary for sure has given indications that she supports Obama on this. All those other issues, Keystone Pipeline, TPP, Russia, Europe, China, Africa, drugs, immigration, human trafficking, oil reserves and the economy are all on the table for what can be said and what should be said. It is about maintaining the Democratic Party and of course getting Hillary favored in the election.

    This Obama trip is more about allowing Hillary an opportunity to see where she can navigate in shark infested waters. Hillary is smart, so she knows how too use resources.

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    Thank you for explaining that Hillary can not impede on the O'bama administration policies since she was of his cabinet. I do remember how the other side swift-boated Kerry with much glee. Where were the voices then? Are we willing to sit by and let it happen again? I respect Hillary for allowing O'bama to finish his administration. He is still President. The lament she is a war-hawk is just an excuse. An excuse to withhold support until absolutely necessary. I am glad you support her and I like the fact that you have her back in this obvious swift-boat strategy. Thank you

    If not NOW---When????

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    pr Wrote: She hasn't told us her ideas yet!

    Hear, hear!

    pr Wrote: And yes, you are correct, the are trying to Swift Boat her and only she can stop it by telling the Independents, the Repubilcans and undecided and everyone else, for that matter, why they are wrong. Stop crying and start telling this to the people whom need to hear it, not us!

    And that's the entire point of political opposition. Do we honestly expect Republicans or Fox News to heap praise on Secretary Clinton?

    I have two main issues with Secretary Clinton. One is that she's a war hawk and I am against using our military unless it is a last resort. The second is that if Secretary Clinton or Jeb Bush wins the Presidency then a Bush or Clinton will have been President or Vice President for 32 out of the last 40 years (1981-2009 & 2017-2021). If that person wins reelection then it would be 36 out of the last 44 years.

    I'm sorry, but we don't need two families passing the Presidency back and forth like a hot potato. There are over 300 million people in this country. We surely can have more than two families lead it.

    Jared, you took the words out of my mouth!! Absolutely the way I feel also. I guess you don't need that many words to describe this. Excellent.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I've been away from this website for a while (medical) but will chime in about Hillary. First her record on the issues of the day can be found with a little searching. She has a long track record going back decades. However, of course, her views of yesterday are not necessarily reflective of her views today. I would like to think that all candidates will "evolve" and if elected are not stuck in their ideological roots. For any Democrat president, compromises with conservatives are ALWAYS necessary. Most Americans seem to be less knowledgeable on the issues, let alone the candidate's views. That's why the "swift boaters" can take any issue and blow it out of proportion into negative headlines.

    I have looked at Hillary's record as Secretary of State, and yes she is more hawkish than President Obama, but certainly not a war hawk like Dick Cheney and his ilk. She supports the Iran Nuclear Agreement, which separates her from many Democrats like Schumer. That is hardly "hawkish". People also ask what distinguished her as Secretary of State, absent some breakthrough on diplomacy. The job of the Secretary of State is not to capture headlines everywhere she goes, but rather start building bridges with quiet diplomacy, understanding the respective cultures and looking for ways our two countries can cooperate more in the global sphere. It is not headline capturing news, and in any case, most Americans tune out when foreign policy is brought up. The media networks hardly covered any of her foreign trips. The dividends will show up in the future in little ways.

    As we know the Benghazi charges are all bogus. The private server e-mail account is also not an issue with me. For anyone who has worked for a major corporation it is difficult to keep your business e-mails and your social e-mails separated, when especially you socialize with the same people you work with. In any case, it seems government e-mails are hacked quite regularly so maybe the FBI should be spending more time investigating the Russian and Chinese hackers on government websites rather than picking away at Hillary's account.

    On most all the issues of the day from healthcare to women's rights, Hillary's record stands out. She doesn't have the charisma of some of the candidates, but she is intelligent and has done her homework. I will be quite comfortable with her as President.

    However, if we elect Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders, their success will be highly dependent on how well Congress chooses to cooperate. If Republican Congressional leaders do to her (or Bernie Sanders) what they have done to President Obama, then we can expect a very difficult time. Many disillusioned Democrats will, true to form, lose interest and not vote in the midterm election making life even more difficult for the president. Sadly that's the state of our politics, especially when it comes to the ruthless "anything goes" Republican machine and less than critical thinking voters who vote with their emotions...not to mention their tribes.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: However, if we elect Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders, their success will be highly dependent on how well Congress chooses to cooperate. If Republican Congressional leaders do to her (or Bernie Sanders) what they have done to President Obama, then we can expect a very difficult time. Many disillusioned Democrats will, true to form, lose interest and not vote in the midterm election making life even more difficult for the president. Sadly that's the state of our politics, especially when it comes to the ruthless "anything goes" Republican machine and less than critical thinking voters who vote with their emotions...not to mention their tribes.

    Exactly.

    Democrats have to learn that the Executive is only one third of our Federal Government. If they only show up to vote for a Democrat every four years and sit on their hands during midterm elections then they will continue to be disappointed with everything.

    The Executive can only do so much by themselves. I wish liberals paid more attention to that. If we showed up in the same numbers in the midterms that we do during Presidential election years then we will have a Democratic super majority for generations to come. If we only keep showing up when a President is on the ballot then we may keep winning the Executive, but he (or she) won't be able to get anything done.

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    Look Nov 2016 is still a long ways off ! A lot can happen, I wanted Liz Warren to run, but obviously she feels like she's not ready OR she's waiting for 2020 if Clinton loses in 2016? I like Sanders and his passion but he's going to be 76 years old in 2017 Sorry that's too old he should have run when he was a much younger man, besides he's an Independent, and doesn't have any Foreign policy experience, that im aware of AND he doesn't have the money Clinton has, it costs an insane amount of money to run for Prez, she will have it he won't..

    Yea she's not doing too well right now, but this is a Marathon not a sprint, if our base shows up next year like we did in 2008, with the Black and Hispanic vote she will WIN!!

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    Absolutely correct. She is tough. We need tough. They will throw everything at her they can.The skunks at a coffee clutch(Morning Joe) are grasping at every little morsel or crumb to make this a legitimate. Now the polls are coming out saying ghe is falling in the polls. Polls are influence peddlers. They are very very tainted. Check out 538, they did an analyses on polls and their leanings. Most lean Republican.

    If not NOW...WHEN???

  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    Try as they want, and dastardly try with lies and contempt, Hillary just keeps plowing ahead. Hillary has a great team helping her pursue the Presidency. Now we have third Republican that comes forward to indicate the Benghazi panel was all about bringing Hillary down and not seeking justice or the truth about something done illegally. The first Republican, McCarthy and the second a Military advisor working for the Benghazi panel who identifies being Republican. Now a new Republican coming forward the other day saying the same things that McCarthy blabbed about. Americans are $4 million less due to taxes funding this Benghazi panel.

    The Republicans are nothing about good government, but only for intimidation and greed. They lie and cheat the American people and now they are being caught by their own kind. The Benghazi panel will go down as the Kerry Swift Boaters did with the public acknowledging these people are just a bunch of losers. Kerry was defeated by these evil characters and now a similar group is going after Hillary. The Democrats are smarter now than during the Kerry issue and mounting pressure is showing on the Republicans for their stupidity and coward ways to attack people, such as Hillary. The email thing is just another example and that will go away in the near future.

    Swift Boaters, beware, Democrats are coming for you!

  • Democrat
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    Hillary sunk the swift boats! Hillary's torpedo's as responses to the GOP attacks sunk their boats. The sting of this GOP failure will be felt for months and hopefully much later after Hilary is sworn into the office of the Presidency.

    Hillary your on a roll..............keeping it going. Where's the music, the lady is about to sing?

  • Democrat
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    The new TV series "Super Girl" coming out is so convenient for Hillary's public spanking of the GOP.

    Hillary....................Super Girl! Makes super sense to me.