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Mandatory minimums and sentencing?

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  • jaredsxtn
    2015-07-19 05:24:36 PM
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: So I guess we should revisit all the lesser sentences that murderous police committed on unarmed "SUSPECTS"

    Come on LA. We already know that the only thing police departments do after one of their cops murder an unarmed citizen is put them on paid leave, wait until the DA doesn't file charges, and then have the police chief mandate that their officers go through an hour of "training" to make sure it "never happens again."

    But we all know it will happen again and then that cop or cops will be put on paid leave, wait until the DA doesn't file charges, and then have the police chief mandate that their officers go through an hour of "training" to make sure it "never happens again."

    If anyone deserves a mandatory minimum sentence, it's cops who murder unarmed citizens.

  • johnnycee
    2015-07-20 01:36:51 AM
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: Non_ violent crimes , like embezzlement,theft by deception, various types of fraud, stealing property, burglary, counterfeiting ( both currency and goods), these crimes deserve flat time sentences with restitution as part of the sentence, these are all non- violent crimes, as is prostitution, do they also deserve Presidential Commutation or a Pardon?

    Yes.

    Would you rather spend billions of American taxpayer dollars keeping these nonviolent criminals locked up behind bars and then label them a criminal for the rest of their lives, making it impossible for them to get a job after they get out of prison? What happens when they can't find a job after no one will hire them because they have a conviction on their record? They go and commit a petty crime, get arrested, and then cost the taxpayer billions of more dollars to keep them locked up because we didn't feel like investing in programs that would keep them out of prison in the first place. That's a great business model for private prisons, but a horrendous way to treat American citizens who are just trying to get by in a capitalistic world.

    I would rather spend billions of dollars on programs that keep nonviolent offenders out of prison. That way we can actually get them to become functioning members of our society instead of paying billions of dollars to private prisons just to make sure we keep their quota full. I'd rather help those who need it the most more than give billions of taxpayer dollars to the private prisons who want to keep their prisons full so they can maximize their profit.

    What about those Wall Street boys who stole millions, do you think probation is enough of a punishment, and how often does a non-violent criminal commit these crimes before he / she does jail time?
  • AmcmurryFreedom
    2015-07-20 02:56:10 AM
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    Yet, this thread shows it does not care about sentencing of crimes mandatory or not, because the moderators remove a response identifying a national media news release I posted twice on Human Trafficking and the sentencing of a 10 year old girl in Atlanta. This reaction by the moderators does not make sense for democratic actions in discussing this thread. Shame, Shame, Shame. Crime is crime no matter what someone thinks he/she can pick or choose what crime to discuss.
  • johnnycee
    2015-07-20 09:57:17 AM
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    AMC, I believe that we are not discussing any particular crime just non-violent crimes as it to pertains to the mandatory sentencing laws and the net effect it has on the system as a whole. Many people feel that drug dealers, although many do not participate in the actual committing of the violent crimes that are done by the addicts they supply, should be categorized as a violent criminal, so they are then exposed to the mandatory sentencing laws.
  • jaredsxtn
    2015-07-20 10:04:56 AM
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Yet, this thread shows it does not care about sentencing of crimes mandatory or not, because the moderators remove a response identifying a national media news release I posted twice on Human Trafficking and the sentencing of a 10 year old girl in Atlanta. This reaction by the moderators does not make sense for democratic actions in discussing this thread. Shame, Shame, Shame. Crime is crime no matter what someone thinks he/she can pick or choose what crime to discuss.

    Hijacking threads is not allowed on this website. If you want to write a thread about human trafficking then write a thread about human trafficking. No one will stop you from doing that. However, if you hijack threads and talk about something that has absolutely nothing to do with the thread then they will be removed every time.

    If you have any further questions then please private message me. If not then please get back on the topic of this thread.

  • jaredsxtn
    2015-07-20 10:38:50 AM
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    johnnycee Wrote: What about those Wall Street boys who stole millions, do you think probation is enough of a punishment,

    Not one Wall Street boy who stole hundreds of billions of dollars ever saw the inside of a courtroom, let alone the inside of a jail cell.

    johnnycee Wrote: and how often does a non-violent criminal commit these crimes before he / she does jail time?

    How about we rethink the way we approach the entire criminal justice system that is geared more towards punishment than rehabilitation? The system is entirely stacked against the poor and people of color and punishes those who can not afford a high powered lawyer. How can anyone say that is a fair system?

    Who thought that it was a good idea to make a nonviolent offender wear a scarlet letter for the rest of their lives? A scarlet letter that basically guarantees they will not be able to get a job, regardless of the "crime" they committed. The individual then has no choice but to resort to a life of crime because no one will hire them since they had a prior conviction. It's a never ending cycle that wastes away lives, separates families, and costs the taxpayer an incalculable amount of dollars. It's time to have a complete overhaul of the system.

  • L.A. Citizen
    2015-07-20 01:18:02 PM
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    JC attempts to now have "insight" and predictions as to how often a person who commits non-violent offenses will re-offend. NOT Your job as one of Philly's finest...... JC feels that he's acting on behalf of victims, also having the moral authority granted him to make these calls. Vigilanty. The ends justifying the means.

    Never once speaking on the "THOUSANDS" of corrupt and violent police officers in this country. You know, the ones who take justice just a little too personal. Again...Not your job.

    A few bad apples????what a joke...An orchard of apples who attempt to redefine laws and policy by GETTING CREATIVE in those poilice reports.

    JC...I know a lot of cops here. They even joke about it.....You can deny it all you want. I've seen the corruption first hand ...out here and in there.

    How do you think cell phones and drugs get into prison? Visitors who bring it in cant keep up with demand in there.....oh, but those opportunistic prison guards can fill that void.....and they do...and make lots of money doing it.

    Don't ever try to attempt to convince me that cops are good people...there just people...like everyone else. I'm sure u have many secrets in that long career you had...........and I know you are aware of MALIK SNELL...you may even have known him.......i encourage all members to google his name.

  • johnnycee
    2015-07-20 02:10:22 PM
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote:

    JC attempts to now have "insight" and predictions as to how often a person who commits non-violent offenses will re-offend. NOT Your job as one of Philly's finest...... JC feels that he's acting on behalf of victims, also having the moral authority granted him to make these calls. Vigilanty. The ends justifying the means.

    Never once speaking on the "THOUSANDS" of corrupt and violent police officers in this country. You know, the ones who take justice just a little too personal. Again...Not your job.

    A few bad apples????what a joke...An orchard of apples who attempt to redefine laws and policy by GETTING CREATIVE in those poilice reports.

    JC...I know a lot of cops here. They even joke about it.....You can deny it all you want. I've seen the corruption first hand ...out here and in there.

    How do you think cell phones and drugs get into prison? Visitors who bring it in cant keep up with demand in there.....oh, but those opportunistic prison guards can fill that void.....and they do...and make lots of money doing it.

    Don't ever try to attempt to convince me that cops are good people...there just people...like everyone else. I'm sure u have many secrets in that long career you had...........and I know you are aware of MALIK SNELL...you may even have known him.......i encourage all members to google his name.

    LA. Everything you mentioned regarding my "insight:" is wrong, it is not considered insightful to ask questions regarding a changing of the existing norms,( Mandatory Sentencing laws), but a genuine inquiry of what the parameters of any change might bring about. and I an not acting in the best interest of the victims , not that they don't need a good advocate for their issues, It's just not me. I also know many cops , and there are corrupt cops but they are few in number compared to all of the good cops, if you want to highlight the bad cops , that's your prerogative , but it will represent a false narrative that most cops are corrupt, which is patently untrue.
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