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Mandatory minimums and sentencing?

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  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    Will something be done? I saw Bil l Clinton finally apologize for passing VCCLA.....Gee, thanks Bill. 25 years later. Guys doing 40 years for an 8 ball of cocaine.

    And I hear James Sensenbbrenner may finally get on board....Gee thanks James....thanks to you and Zimmerman they took weights out of most of the prisons at the federal level.

    This wasn't just about sentencing. ..they also placed severe limitations on post conviction relief and opened the flood gate for sentencing enhancements at the discretion of the US Attorney

    Even if they act.....it won't benefit the inmates that are completing their 30 yr sentences that were handed to them in 1989

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Our society in the 90s was heavy into prisons and punishment. Not only that, but people were seeking careers in prison management, etc. Here's a LA Times article from 1995 that addresses the prison culture of the 1990s.

    LA Times, June 11, 1995: In the '90s, Prisons Come Before Schools : The young, who know trends, see that the only jobs in social services will be behind bars.

    "Now, in the nervous '90s, prisons are all the rage.

    "Growing numbers of undergraduates I've encountered during the past year regard themselves as future employees of the California correctional system. One young woman majoring in nutritional science tells me she plans to work as a prison nutritionist. A physical education major hopes to find a job working with prison inmates. A bilingual freshman reveals her ambition to teach English as a second language in prison.

    "I feel enormous compassion for today's young people. From their perspective, the professional market has been glutted by baby boomers; industrialists have moved factories and assembly-line jobs overseas. Harsh prison sentences and the "three strikes and you're out" movement have created a frenzy to build more prisons, which, young people accurately surmise, will need to be filled to justify their construction. If they want to work in the human and social services, prisons are where the jobs will be."

    And it's not like as we entered the 21st Century there was a sudden revelation of our past mistakes. It's been a slow evolution of sorts for some politicians to admit the mistakes of their riding the "punishment culture" of the 1990s. At least Bill Clinton is admitting his mistake, but his "mistake" served him well at the time. Now it has become a liability for Hillary Clinton so he needed to do some fence mending. It's a start, but the best thing Bill Clinton could do if he was really repentant would be to become an activist for prison reform. A special assignment, perhaps, for the "First Dude".

    President Obama has waited until he is no longer running for office before he could take this cause on. That's the politics of our society. I hope he is successful in making inroads...but I suspect that the best Republicans will do is agree to "baby steps" while pretending to be charging ahead with reform.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: President Obama has waited until he is no longer running for office before he could take this cause on. That's the politics of our society.

    This has been one of the biggest disappointments I have had with President Obama. I understand the politics behind his decision to steer clear of this subject until he was a lame duck, but it also frustrates the hell out of me that the leader of the free world can't speak his mind out of fear of losing some "moderate" votes in an election that a small fraction of the voting public even bothers to partake in.

    I guess it's better late than never though...

    Schmidt Wrote: I hope he is successful in making inroads...but I suspect that the best Republicans will do is agree to "baby steps" while pretending to be charging ahead with reform.

    Republicans are wedded at the hip to Corrections Corporation of America, which spends tens of millions of dollars lobbying Congress to pass and then keep laws that lock up nonviolent offenders for decades at a time. They can only make a profit if their prisons are full, so criminal justice reform is akin to a nuclear bomb being dropped on their business model.

    It makes me so sad that capitalism has taken over our criminal justice system so much that we lock up nonviolent "offenders" for decades just to make sure campaign coffers are kept happy.

  • Democrat
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    A very good piece this morning in CNN Breaking News on Human Trafficking and soliciting children for sex, especially targeting Atlanta, where 10 year olds are shackled for crimes of prostitution when the "Pimps" or real criminal element if not brought to justice. Appears the law is misused for bringing the child to court even if the intent is to protect the child. So, why does existing law allow for the perpetrator of Human Trafficking and soliciting people for their sex and slave trade go unpunished? If you don't think this is a violent crime than you may consider yourself the reason why people allow this criminal character to continue attacking the defenseless (children and the prostitute). Take the law to the criminal element that's what is needed.

    For me, I would make it a Felony when in many States it is a misdemeanor (not violent act). Make a Felony in Federal court in all cases of Human Trafficking with mandatory sentencing of 30 years or more to Life without parole. If a death occurs, well it can be treated similarly in murder charges, but with capturing the horror of Human Trafficking charges added.

    Our courts are misleading our society on social behavior and not identifying correctly criminal characterization between "Violent and Non-Violent" acts against people.

    Many child prostitution cases are a result of parent or guardian messed up on drugs and to fuel the ability to purchase drugs these people sell their children. (CNN Article). So, is this an act of violence or non-violence. Let your best response show your social acceptance as a model of humanity. Go for it! I intend to propose a political question on our next Presidential debate on how the candidate can answer what he/she will advocate while in office changes to law on Human Trafficking, which is a growing and continuing sore spot in this country as it is around the world. Too many in our society believe this is a nonissue!

  • Liberal
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    AMC

    The very last time I read any of your post(prior to your disappearance) you were stuck on this very topic. And it must have been a year ago.

    And here you go with this same nonsense...No sir, sick people pimp children. And who do you attack???? drug addicts........... Always the drug addict. The Catholic church the last time i checked wasn't on drugs....the litlle boys were their drugs. So please, the next time you address "child exploitation" you may want to start the conversation with a nice prayer.

    The men in the robes have been exploiting children for the thosands of years......and crack, has only been around 30 years. We should also pass mandatory life sentence for people who poison the minds of other people.....for the sole purpose of seperating them from their money....and of course that that 8 year old little choir boy named Billy.

    You sir need to see a doctor and have him prescribe you 5 doses of "reality"

  • Democrat
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    .........and in no way is the Church or any religious authority excused as party in deviate behavior with children. I have never accepted this type of behavior and if you think I did, you think very wrong. Maybe you should see a doctor, because you have a strange way of misleading the central thoughts on violent and non-violent crime. The biggest reasons I maintain focus on Human Trafficking and the use of children and defenseless people, is because the media continues to locate prime examples in our society it continues as a national and world threat. It is not going away, which is why I advocate for change in law to expose the criminal element and propose mandatory sentencing on those who profit form slavery and prostitution. So, quit your activity in mitigating the reality of Human Trafficking.
  • Democrat
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    I am a simple man , I believe in law and order, which is necessary for a viable society to survive and thrive, I also think mandatory sentencing laws are only a deterrent to those who are given them, not for those thinking about committing a crime, I believe in a flat sentence, no time off for good behavior , because you are supposed to be a good prisoner, no parole system, I know of men who spent more time doing time for their parole violations than for the original crime, so with no parole system, that alone would save a ton of money. I do know of PO's who would lord it over their clients and others who just ignored their clients, whether or not they were over cased or not. Mandatory sentencing laws are nothing more feel good laws, I knew of Judges who did not like those types of laws so they would press the DA's to dumb down the charges , IE; was the weapon operational , and so forth.
  • Liberal
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    I dont mitigate shit...I accept the world as is......children and women have been getting raped for thousands of years.....entire societies have been raped and murdered for thousands of years.....I worry about my circumstances.

    You, me, Obama.,..were not gonna change shit on this planet...and for you to believe that....yes...you need meds. If I'm lucky I may have another 25 left...I'm not trying to cure world events.......I don't give a shit . Thats the truth. Worry about yourself,,,,,family and close friends.....have a drink and sit back ...enjoy the show

  • Liberal
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    And then, in today's news, NY ex-congressman, ex-FBI, ex-tax cheating restaurant owner gets 8 months for tax evasion! This scum bag deserves 20 years at hard labor but we all how he will be treated in prison, hint, not as we would!
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: .........and in no way is the Church or any religious authority excused as party in deviate behavior with children. I have never accepted this type of behavior and if you think I did, you think very wrong. Maybe you should see a doctor, because you have a strange way of misleading the central thoughts on violent and non-violent crime. The biggest reasons I maintain focus on Human Trafficking and the use of children and defenseless people, is because the media continues to locate prime examples in our society it continues as a national and world threat. It is not going away, which is why I advocate for change in law to expose the criminal element and propose mandatory sentencing on those who profit form slavery and prostitution. So, quit your activity in mitigating the reality of Human Trafficking.

    Feel free to start a new thread on human trafficking if you want, but please get back on the topic of this thread. If you can't contribute to the discussion about mandatory minimums then then please stop contributing to this thread.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Did anyone catch President Obama's statement when he visited the El Reno Federal Prison? He's a bit late to the party, but it is awesome to see him finally questioning the wisdom of the sending nonviolent offenders off to prison for decades at a time.

  • Independent
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    Sorry to say; the same as L.A. experienced the whole "law" and "jail" system here is backwards at about a100 years. In the Netherlands if people are convicted they get education etc. in jail; clean rooms with TV and amenities, so if they get back into society they are re-educated and will find work and likely don't go back into their old ways. Here it is only pure " punishment" and no help whatsoever to get these people back into society in the right way. That does not work.

    So I wonder if this "blessed " country by AMC is ever going to learn, why the jails are full, someone is making money of it I presume. The "real" US culture.

  • Democrat
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    Non_ violent crimes , like embezzlement,theft by deception, various types of fraud, stealing property, burglary, counterfeiting ( both currency and goods), these crimes deserve flat time sentences with restitution as part of the sentence, these are all non- violent crimes, as is prostitution, do they also deserve Presidential Commutation or a Pardon?
  • Liberal
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    johnnycee Wrote: Non_ violent crimes , like embezzlement,theft by deception, various types of fraud, stealing property, burglary, counterfeiting ( both currency and goods), these crimes deserve flat time sentences with restitution as part of the sentence, these are all non- violent crimes, as is prostitution, do they also deserve Presidential Commutation or a Pardon?

    Again....on the wrong side.

    Flat sentencing would mean the kid trying to buy clothing at the mall with a fake credit card gets equal the sentence with the guy who stole the profiles, did the homework, and made the credit cards from his computers.

    So I guess we should revisit all the lesser sentences that murderous police committed on unarmed "SUSPECTS"

    SHORT SIDED AND NARROW MINDED.......ASK YOUR PRIEST FOR FORGIVENESS

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: Non_ violent crimes , like embezzlement,theft by deception, various types of fraud, stealing property, burglary, counterfeiting ( both currency and goods), these crimes deserve flat time sentences with restitution as part of the sentence, these are all non- violent crimes, as is prostitution, do they also deserve Presidential Commutation or a Pardon?

    Yes.

    Would you rather spend billions of American taxpayer dollars keeping these nonviolent criminals locked up behind bars and then label them a criminal for the rest of their lives, making it impossible for them to get a job after they get out of prison? What happens when they can't find a job after no one will hire them because they have a conviction on their record? They go and commit a petty crime, get arrested, and then cost the taxpayer billions of more dollars to keep them locked up because we didn't feel like investing in programs that would keep them out of prison in the first place. That's a great business model for private prisons, but a horrendous way to treat American citizens who are just trying to get by in a capitalistic world.

    I would rather spend billions of dollars on programs that keep nonviolent offenders out of prison. That way we can actually get them to become functioning members of our society instead of paying billions of dollars to private prisons just to make sure we keep their quota full. I'd rather help those who need it the most more than give billions of taxpayer dollars to the private prisons who want to keep their prisons full so they can maximize their profit.