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America's latest and greatest $13 billion warship

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Business Insider, June 22, 2015: This is America's new $13 billion warship

    It's an aircraft carrier that will carry F-35s once available.

    PS - I only post this to get a rise out of Dutch. Ha.

  • Independent
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    Yes Schmidt; a new Titanic is born; the only difference is the deckchairs cost 400 million a piece. Hitler had also a "super" battleship; the Tirpitz; it did not last either. Lets hope this ship is never used and just sits and rusts away, like all our war junk. What a total waste.
  • Liberal
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    Trump said he'd buy it.....and keep the Mexicans out
  • Independent
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: Trump said he'd buy it.....and keep the Mexicans out

    Sorry, Trump can't even comb his hair, let alone run a pageant and uses Mexicans only to polish his punk boots. He's suing now everyone left and right, so has no time to run his non-election.

    By the way Schmidt, they should name that ship the "Bishmark" ( sistership of the Tirpits) At least the Germans had two of them. Wow.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch -- Good idea as this ship was conceived and approved during the Bush administration.

    From Wikipedia: "On 10 September 2008, the U.S. Navy signed a $5.1 billion contract with Northrop Grumman Shipbuilding in Newport News, Virginia, to design and construct the carrier. Northrop had begun advance construction of the carrier under a $2.7 billion contract in 2005."

    But hey...if I add those two numbers together it adds up to $7.8 billion. So how did $7.8 billion (a huge number in itself) now become $13 billion?

  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Dutch -- Good idea as this ship was conceived and approved during the Bush administration.

    From Wikipedia: "On 10 September 2008, the U.S. Navy signed a $5.1 billion contract with Northrop Grumman Shipbuilding in Newport News, Virginia, to design and construct the carrier. Northrop had begun advance construction of the carrier under a $2.7?billion contract in 2005."

    But hey...if I add those two numbers together it adds up to $7.8 billion. So how did $7.8 billion (a huge number in itself) now become $13 billion?

    Schmidt, how long did you live in this country? Has the US government ever "built" something within budget? Look at the F35 more than double and it is still a piece of gold plated shit.

    I bet that even an antique torpedo will sink it; the Titanic was also "unsinkable"; But why do we need something like that, if we can hit any target with an ICBM around the world; everything goes "by air" nowadays; "cruiseships" are a disaster.

  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch --- You know...it's needed as a place to park and launch our F-35s. They kind of go together, both born out of the same incestuous relationship between our military contractors, our lobbyists and Congress...a ménage à trois of sorts. Ha.
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    Schmidt Wrote: Dutch --- You know...it's needed as a place to park and launch our F-35s. They kind of go together, both born out of the same incestuous relationship between our military contractors, our lobbyists and Congress...a ménage à trois of sorts. Ha.
    Hey, Sure the French have way with words; the English language misses the "coleur" ; we know only the "F" word and the $ word.
  • Democrat
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    Luv it! God Bless our Military and celebrate the 4th with gusto.......................build more ships. I understand the US Navy is getting severely behind the number of ships needed to answer the call of duty on our seas. Not only do more ships provide security for the "Free" nations, it provides many, many, and many jobs.

    F35's...............geeze...............that's so lame. It's the current buzz for the public. Look at the media releases of the "NEW" jets that make the F35 look like a model "T".

  • Liberal
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    Doesn't take much imagination or brains to figure out this is just another military boondoggle designed to enrich the wealthy at everyone else expense. Just more unnecessary equipment for the "play" soldiers to brag about as they go around the destroying the world and innocent peoples in the name of "American exceptionalism"!

    Disgusting and shameful!!!!

  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote:

    Luv it! God Bless our Military and celebrate the 4th with gusto.......................build more ships. I understand the US Navy is getting severely behind the number of ships needed to answer the call of duty on our seas. Not only do more ships provide security for the "Free" nations, it provides many, many, and many jobs.

    F35's...............geeze...............that's so lame. It's the current buzz for the public. Look at the media releases of the "NEW" jets that make the F35 look like a model "T".

    AMC; disgusting and sick; You have no idea what you are talking about; what we are doing is the same as Hitler. Indoctrinated people like you are the one's who will ruin this country; you are seeing "ghosts" all over. Sure everyone wants to attack us because of what we did and are doing in the world. We are getting more enemy's per day because of it. No one ever has been able to rule the world; neither will the US be able to do so, regardless of this new wasteful garbage ship etc. We have been invading countries all over the place since WWII and you love it; very sick indeed.
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    This, and the previous class, had a mid-life refuel and refit scheduled as a life cycle event. This is an approximately 2 year availability during which the reactors will be refueled (and refurbished to latest standards) and the ship will undergo an upgrade to the latest systems available and armament augmentations. In the first portion of the availability the ship is literally evacuated in preparation for the yard period/dry dock period when the actual refuel will be accomplished. Any remaining elements of the general refit and refurbish will also be finished while in the dry dock. The thing is, this life cycle event is budgeted as part of the cost of the vessel. It may be paid later but it is recognized as the cost of building the monsters in the first place.

    She is a beautiful ship. And she is a major improvement over the previous class in terms of force projection and survivability. Since retiring Enterprise we have been a Carrier Strike Group (CSG OR CVSG replacing the previous term Carrier Battle Group (CBG)) short. The figures given don't mention that we keep at least 2 (and I think currently 3) in the refit and refuel cycle (they are all mid-life or beyond and coming into the zone for service) so at most we have 7 or 8 CVGs at any given time. One of these is permanently forward deployed to Japan. You can't use all the carriers all the time. They are going to be rotated to home ports about half the time. We could surge 6 or 7 in a crisis for a limited time but generally, we have no more than 4 CVGs available at any given time. And they have a lot to do...big oceans, lots of missions.

    And, generally, as special equipment goes a CVN is a good buy. It is what the famous Alton Brown would call a multi-tasker. CVGs also provide an interesting measure of the US's relative military power. No other country has more than 2 CVG equivalents... I think 2. The rest, 1 CV each for several bit players. China is pursuing a deep water navy in an intense way and that balance will change relatively soon. This vessel will help delay the day when China will replace us as masters of the sea.

    Also remember that these are todays capital ships. They are the visible representation of our strength. Up until WWII it wasn't uncommon for a fleet to have a couple of dozen capital ships. 11 seems a lot more reasonable in that light to me. Hell of a lot more bang for the buck but also a hell of a lot of bucks for bang. And, in a World where frigates cost over a billion each , it really is sort of a bargain.

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    Sadly, cd, it will not put off the day when China replaces the u.s. as "masters if the sea." They are not interested in that. They are interested in winning the economic war. Just like Vietnam all they need to do is enough to make us spend money on this as opposed to our manufacturing base and infrastructure. As for force projection that is illusion. The u.s. military has been stalled mucking about in the Middle East because the war to come won't be state-to-state such as ww2. And it is not a sign of our strength but a sign of who gets to determine where money is spent.

    all empires end. Most end violently. The Brits finally were convinced to give their's up. We will not be so smart.

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    Castle Doctrine Wrote:

    This, and the previous class, had a mid-life refuel and refit scheduled as a life cycle event. This is an approximately 2 year availability during which the reactors will be refueled (and refurbished to latest standards) and the ship will undergo an upgrade to the latest systems available and armament augmentations. In the first portion of the availability the ship is literally evacuated in preparation for the yard period/dry dock period when the actual refuel will be accomplished. Any remaining elements of the general refit and refurbish will also be finished while in the dry dock. The thing is, this life cycle event is budgeted as part of the cost of the vessel. It may be paid later but it is recognized as the cost of building the monsters in the first place.

    She is a beautiful ship. And she is a major improvement over the previous class in terms of force projection and survivability. Since retiring Enterprise we have been a Carrier Strike Group (CSG OR CVSG replacing the previous term Carrier Battle Group (CBG)) short. The figures given don't mention that we keep at least 2 (and I think currently 3) in the refit and refuel cycle (they are all mid-life or beyond and coming into the zone for service) so at most we have 7 or 8 CVGs at any given time. One of these is permanently forward deployed to Japan. You can't use all the carriers all the time. They are going to be rotated to home ports about half the time. We could surge 6 or 7 in a crisis for a limited time but generally, we have no more than 4 CVGs available at any given time. And they have a lot to do...big oceans, lots of missions.

    And, generally, as special equipment goes a CVN is a good buy. It is what the famous Alton Brown would call a multi-tasker. CVGs also provide an interesting measure of the US's relative military power. No other country has more than 2 CVG equivalents... I think 2. The rest, 1 CV each for several bit players. China is pursuing a deep water navy in an intense way and that balance will change relatively soon. This vessel will help delay the day when China will replace us as masters of the sea.

    Also remember that these are todays capital ships. They are the visible representation of our strength. Up until WWII it wasn't uncommon for a fleet to have a couple of dozen capital ships. 11 seems a lot more reasonable in that light to me. Hell of a lot more bang for the buck but also a hell of a lot of bucks for bang. And, in a World where frigates cost over a billion each , it really is sort of a bargain.

    Sorry, you must be one of those indoctrinated sicko's who have no clue about such terrible waste; all this military junk does not keep us safe; as long as we bomb all over the place; these people will seek revenge one time or another; we are creating thousands of enemy's per day. A ship like this is Hitler all over again. Wake up what a total waste.
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    I love the carriers having served on two of them. As to the response of an old torpedo sinking a carrier, let me provide an illustrated event that took place a few years ago. The USS America, CVS-66, was decommissioned. All material onboard suitable for reuse was removed. All hatches and water-tight integrity systems that remained onboard were sealed, thus making for a floating relic to be used for target practice. The naval bombardment took place off the south eastern coast. Planes, submarines and ships blasted away with bombs, shells from ships, and torpedoes from submarines. After several hours of target practice, to everybody's amazement, the hardy USS America remained afloat. Not wanting to waste anymore target practice expense, the order was given to send a Seal team aboard to place strategic explosive packages at specific areas to allow water to come into the hull integrity and sink the mighty USS America. This was successful and today the USS America is developing a coral reef for the south eastern coast. This mighty ship lies peacefully on the bottom and provides shelter and protection for ocean life. Thank you USS America for your continued service to our country.

    So, for the comment a single old torpedo having the ability to sink it, not a chance.

    The new ships, as well as the new carriers being designed and developed for the near future is awesome. The new materials that will make up the new carriers, ships and planes and other military hardware is engineering and science at its best of achievements. There are new metals that harder than anything made in the past being planned for military development. These new metals are publically released news as being lighter than air. but harder than anything we have made in the past. There are laser weapons that fire inexpensive and multiple rounds. There are seaworthy engines that will make these ships and submarine move silently and faster in water than anything we have had in the Navy.

    Read the awesome works of military achievements in science, physics and engineering. The developments that being made are breaking the old traditional laws in theoretical behaviors of materials and elements. I'm reading more new physicists, scientists and engineers are questioning the old laws and theories and altering our beliefs in how materials and life operate. Mankind is pursuing the beyond and at a rapid pace. I just wish it was faster, because I enjoy seeing the new concepts and developments. Expensive, why of course. Jobs, why of course. Maintaining America's dominance in the world, why of course, but only if we make the discovery first and pursue rapid deployment. Remember this one important fact, "If you read it, see it, or hear it, it is at least 10 years old in development." So, just imaging what science is doing at this moment............the next galaxy is not that far off.

    I'm ready for the $13 Trillion dollar warship.