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Supreme Court Upholds Obamacare Subsidies

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    Tennessee_Treader Wrote: Not to mention the significant premium increases that are coming next year. All of this to help ~10 million people? Sounds like a bad business alternative to me. Enjoy the premium increases next year:

    kff.org/health-reform/issue-brief/analy...

    You may want to look at this numbers a little deeper. Some states premiums went up while other states premiums went down or didn't change at all. And even in the states whose premiums went up, the actual dollar amount they went up is basically negligible.

    You also are neglecting to factor in the tax credits that the vast majority of these people will get to help offset their monthly premiums. If you looked at the graph a little more critically, you would have noticed that the monthly premium for individuals who receive a tax credit is staying the EXACT SAME for every state other than New Mexico.

    And everyone who is against this law is leaving out the fact that the states who have expanded Medicaid are doing a hell of a lot better than the ones who haven't. The states who didn't expand Medicaid out of spite are hurting their citizens. The states who did expand Medicaid are helping theirs.

    It's easy to search for a document that looks like it backs up your point of view, but that isn't what this Kaiser paper does. Do you have any information on Bronze or Gold plan premiums? Or how many of those people on the Silver Plans have tax credits that hep offset their monthly premiums? That's where you will be able to actually see if people are financially unable to pay for their healthcare.

    Sorry to break it to all of you haters, but Obamacare is the law of the land. You lost in 2010. You lost in 2012. And you lost in 2015. Get over it.

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    ACA is not giving people health care, it is giving them insurance. Albeit insurance that is no better than a catastrophic policy with a huge deductible. Like I said previously all we have given people is a bill for insurance added on to having to pay out-of-pocket for healthcare. We can do better without making the rest of us give up our quality health care benefits.
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    People who had insurance before Obamacare always had to pay out of pocket expenses. It's not like they had insurance through their workplace and didn't have to pay a dime if they had a medical issue. They had their monthly premiums and they had their out of pocket costs when they had a medical problem.

    This law is working. No one is "giving up" any of their benefits because millions of people now have health insurance. In fact, everyone's benefits are expanding because of this law.

    The Republican response to this law is a carbon copy of how they attacked Medicare when it was originally passed. They claimed it was tyranny and the worst law ever passed in America...and look how popular that law is now.

    The true irony is that those same Republicans who originally attacked Medicare now love it and have no problem with their socialized medicine, but they scoff at the notion that everyone else should have access to healthcare in this country.

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    JC,

    Continue to shop. It's that simple. When looking for healthcare, what we found was expensive and ugly. Huge deductibles are far too common. I eventually found coverage that had limitations but was very much less expensive and was workable.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote: It's sad how certain people who receive government funded healthcare have no problem saying they don't want other people to have healthcare...
    If you are referencing me in your post, you are twisting my words, where did I say that I didn't want other people to have healthcare, my problem is with the administration of this Act and it's application to individuals, I am stating quite plainly that this Act is not only unaffordable for most but completely unfair to the majority of the insured..
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    TJ Wrote:

    JC,

    Continue to shop. It's that simple. When looking for healthcare, what we found was expensive and ugly. Huge deductibles are for too common. I eventually found coverage that had limitations but was very much less expensive and was workable.

    Many of the plans I was interested in but my Doctor was not part of their network, I had my doctor for over 35 years, and I didn't want to change doctors, quite of few of them were HMO's or similar referral type plans, again my Doctor was not included in their network, but regardless of the plan if the price of the meds goes up , the deductible does not reflect the price increase with a similar increase in the deductible, so you now reach your level more quickly, which means you pay more.
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    johnnycee Wrote: If you are referencing me in your post, you are twisting my words, where did I say that I didn't want other people to have healthcare, my problem is with the administration of this Act and it's application to individuals,

    I honestly don't even know what to say here. Are you being serious or do you honestly not remember some of the things you have said about this law?

    johnnycee Wrote: I am stating quite plainly that this Act is not only unaffordable for most but completely unfair to the majority of the insured..

    Can you provide any documentation proving this is unaffordable (sic) for most Americans? And make sure you do a little research so that you don't quote an opinion paper from a right-wing website. I wish you the best of luck.

    Do you know why? Because you're going to find out that millions upon millions of people love the fact that they can no longer be discriminated against for a preexisting condition; that they can keep their child on their insurance until the age of 26; that they don't have to pay more than a man for the same services; and that they no longer have to worry about going bankrupt and losing their house because they got sick.

    It's unfair to those individuals in the states that didn't expand Medicaid and can't afford insurance. Their cruel state legislatures and Governors would rather score political points than ensure that the citizens of their state have proper healthcare. If you want to be angry at anyone--be angry at those colossal assholes.

    And, as I said in an earlier post--Obamacare is the law of the land. You guys lost in 2010. You guys lost in 2012. And you guys lost in 2015. Get over it and move on.

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    We debated this topic ad nausem a few months back, with different and off setting opinions, the topic and thread devolved into name calling with political views being attacked and of course religion crept in with the resultant denigration of beliefs and so I do not wish to revisit that topic, only to say for me it was and still is unfair, I need not provide you with any documentation suffice to say I am paying more for my wife and I than I ever did prior to the enactment of this Act.
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    johnnycee Wrote: I need not provide you with any documentation

    That's because you can't.

    I'm sorry that you with your government (or should I say socialist) provided health insurance have to pay a few dollars more per month, but the rest of us are tired of paying for you while the rest of us get nothing in return.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: I need not provide you with any documentation

    That's because you can't.

    I'm sorry that you with your government (or should I say socialist) provided health insurance have to pay a few dollars more per month, but the rest of us are tired of paying for you while the rest of us get nothing in return.

    Paying for me!!, are you out of your mind, are you just trying to get a rise out of me, I paid into this system for over 45 years, and I will never be equally compensated for what I put in as to what I get back in Soc. Sec bennies,, and they still tax the Soc. Security monies that I receive each month, so I am still paying while I am collecting ,some socialist system that is. Btw it's not I cant supply the documentation ,it's because I won't, it will serve no purpose as I said I personally feel that the system is jacked in favor of the poor at the expense of the lower middle class, I will be able to gain the same benefits as those within the criterion of being poor, when my savings and any other assets my wife and I have dry up. that is my documentation.
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    JC if you are on Midicare this hardly applies to you! Stop your whining Crying