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Hate and Guns

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  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    Surprised that nobody else has mentioned the obvious. Today we have a mass killing in South Carolina.

    Many are making veiled comments. Hate is alive and well. We have serious issues that need to be addressed.

  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Sorry Tony--

    I was going to write on this shortly, but I'll comment on this thread now.

    I felt physically ill when I first heard of this act of terrorism last night. It's just one more in a long line of terrorist acts done by a white supremacist at a black church and the sad fact is that it is not going to be the last. The chilling words that a survivor of the shooting attributed to him show that this was a racially motivated event. This monster reportedly said:

    “You rape our women and are taking over our country and you have to go.”

    This is what happens, as our President said earlier today, when we have a gun culture that has run amok in this country. This culture of "God, Guns, Grits and Gravy"--as the venerable Mike Huckabee like to say--is tearing this country apart. The Second Amendment doesn't trump all other Amendments in this country and we are going to continue to see these acts of terrorism throughout this country until we finally accept that sad reality.

    You can watch President Obama's statement--a statement he has had to give far, far too many times in his tenure--below.

  • Center Left
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    People on cnn said they don't know what was in the kids head. Suggestion: a couple of bullets from juniors new 45 would be a good start/saving us all the cost of a trial. A Trial would be wasted money though it's part of the process. Far too much hate which is a powerful mindset coupled with idiocy.
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    Amen to your posting! When, I repeat WHEN, will Republican lawmakers ever realize that GUNS in the hands of this multitude of offenders are the cause of all the problems? I do realize that in terms of what is the total cause of each and every one of these nightmares, is probably a rather complex equation, but for sure one of the most obvious components is the GUN itself. In other words, no gun, no shooting. I would think that one day these politicians might realize that something has to be done. They HAVE to at least start working to solve the issue. Someone has to be bold enough to take the first step. Improvements can always come later, as amendments to the original concept, but let's get it going with something.

    Just like the Healthcare law. If no one started it, there would be nothing to improve. But it is now a law and can be amended. I say do the same thing with gun violence, at least get started.

  • Republican
    Tennessee
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    One gun in the hands of one of the church members could have stopped the killing. There are guns in my church every time the doors are open.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Tennessee_Treader Wrote: One gun in the hands of one of the church members could have stopped the killing. There are guns in my church every time the doors are open.

    That is a terrifying thought.

    And repeating the NRA slogan of "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun" is a red herring. What happens when that good guy who had a gun accidentally shoots a bystander as he's firing at the bad guy with a gun? Should that good guy be tried for murder or manslaughter because he killed an innocent person while he was aimlessly shooting at the bad guy?

    Guns don't belong in the public sphere. Go shoot some bison and deer, but keep them away from me.

  • Democrat
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    If instead of a gun he used a knife or a bomb or even set fire to church, would it make any less racist, do not use the weapon of choice as to the reasons why this killing took place, had someone been armed in this church, the odds are the killings would have been held to a minimum. The problem is of a self promoting hate culture that has pervaded our country. Focus on those issues instead of furthering an anti -gun narrative, which would only further divide the country.
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    johnnycee Wrote: If instead of a gun he used a knife or a bomb or even set fire to church, would it make any less racist, do not use the weapon of choice as to the reasons why this killing took place, had someone been armed in this church, the odds are the killings would have been held to a minimum. The problem is of a self promoting hate culture that has pervaded our country. Focus on those issues instead of furthering an anti -gun narrative, which would only further divide the country.

    You have no idea whether or not there would have been fewer deaths. You are making a s.w.a.g (silly wild ass guess).

    the problem is an immature society whose first action is to violence along with tribal hatred of the other.

  • Center Left
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    8:16 pm I'm watching CNN now and surprisingly they are talking about the long over due need for more gun control. Don't get crazy and cry out they'll have to pry it out of my cold dead hand..... Nobody is suggesting no guns but less guns would be a start. There is no easy fix for this problem but someone has to start somewhere. Currently we have as many guns as citizens and if that was cut by 50% that would still be way too many guns. I'd say 2 per household if you pass a back ground check, and none where there's a history of violence.

    POTUS says there's no other developed country where mass killings is this common.

    I just read on another website the question: Will South Carolina fly it's Confederate flag at half staff ? GOOD QUESTION !!!!!!!!

  • Democrat
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    lonely bird Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: If instead of a gun he used a knife or a bomb or even set fire to church, would it make any less racist, do not use the weapon of choice as to the reasons why this killing took place, had someone been armed in this church, the odds are the killings would have been held to a minimum. The problem is of a self promoting hate culture that has pervaded our country. Focus on those issues instead of furthering an anti -gun narrative, which would only further divide the country.

    You have no idea whether or not there would have been fewer deaths. You are making a s.w.a.g (silly wild ass guess).

    the problem is an immature society whose first action is to violence along with tribal hatred of the other.

    I do have an idea ,many acts of violence across this nation have been stopped by an armed citizen, you make a S.W.A.A. ( silly wild ass assumption) that being an immature society first turns to violence, and as the Middle East has shown us time and time again immaturity has little or nothing to do with Tribal violence
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    johnnycee Wrote:
    lonely bird Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: If instead of a gun he used a knife or a bomb or even set fire to church, would it make any less racist, do not use the weapon of choice as to the reasons why this killing took place, had someone been armed in this church, the odds are the killings would have been held to a minimum. The problem is of a self promoting hate culture that has pervaded our country. Focus on those issues instead of furthering an anti -gun narrative, which would only further divide the country.

    You have no idea whether or not there would have been fewer deaths. You are making a s.w.a.g (silly wild ass guess).

    the problem is an immature society whose first action is to violence along with tribal hatred of the other.

    I do have an idea ,many acts of violence across this nation have been stopped by an armed citizen, you make a S.W.A.A. ( silly wild ass assumption) that being an immature society first turns to violence, and as the Middle East has shown us time and time again immaturity has little or nothing to do with Tribal violence

    Tribalism IS immaturity. Tribalism is irrational fear of the other. And, no, you have no idea because the incidents where many acts of violence were stopped by armed citizens are both cancelled by violent acts CAUSED by armed citizens and the acts are not relatable to each other from the standpoint of causation meaning one violent act in one place in the country does not cause another violent act in another part of the country. However they can be related via social and psychological commonalities such as tribalism. The actor in south carolina stated that this act was based on extreme tribalism, white v black.

  • Liberal
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    Tennessee_Treader Wrote: One gun in the hands of one of the church members could have stopped the killing. There are guns in my church every time the doors are open.

    Some small penised gun nut always pops outa the woodwork when these things happen to let us all know how safe we all would be if we thight like them. Fortunately most of the world doesn't have the psychological problems they'd gun nuts have but we still have to be ever vigilant and reduce their number ASAP,

    Something for TT to think about while polishing his "tool"!

    alternet.org/news-amp-politics/guns-rar...

  • Republican
    Tennessee
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    and all you can do is use insulting words. Whose weapon is more lethal?
  • Independent
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    Tennessee_Treader Wrote: and all you can do is use insulting words. Whose weapon is more lethal?
    A Republican out of Tennessee? I guess it could not get any worse. Just about the same as in S. Carolina. The only thing what counts there is: Bibles, guns, possums and the KKK. The worst part is that dumb asses like Linsey Graham get into the Government. The believe that something "up there" saves their butt, is again proven that even Methodist Pastors are not "saved" by selling snake oil.
  • Republican
    Tennessee
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    Actually I am from Seattle and moved to TN. I am not your typical Republican.