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  • Democrat
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    Having been removed for sometime and casually viewing the conversations on a number of subjects, it is apparent and hard to dismiss that Freedom of Speech is being violated by the moderators. To be a Christian and profess as such and identifying those that attack the faiths of others it is very clear that being Christian is abhorrent to hold such a belief. Why?

    If you look back through the history fling of the submissions, you will find Christians are attacked relentlessly and no moderation comes to stop the attacks. So where is Freedom of Speech and expression? Does it exist on this Hub?

    Does the Hub recognize the value in our Constitution or does it seek to rewrite their OWN?
  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Having been removed for sometime and casually viewing the conversations on a number of subjects, it is apparent and hard to dismiss that Freedom of Speech is being violated by the moderators. To be a Christian and profess as such and identifying those that attack the faiths of others it is very clear that being Christian is abhorrent to hold such a belief. Why?

    If you look back through the history fling of the submissions, you will find Christians are attacked relentlessly and no moderation comes to stop the attacks. So where is Freedom of Speech and expression? Does it exist on this Hub?

    Does the Hub recognize the value in our Constitution or does it seek to rewrite their OWN?
    You are at it again; do me a favor and write great replies without "bible" hoopla and B.S. in it. .
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Having been removed for sometime and casually viewing the conversations on a number of subjects, it is apparent and hard to dismiss that Freedom of Speech is being violated by the moderators. To be a Christian and profess as such and identifying those that attack the faiths of others it is very clear that being Christian is abhorrent to hold such a belief. Why?
    Specifics please? How is someone disagreeing with your religious beliefs violating your Freedom of Speech?

    If your accusation that this website views Christianity as abhorrent were true then moderators would remove this thread, but it has not been removed, nor will it be.
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: If you look back through the history fling of the submissions, you will find Christians are attacked relentlessly and no moderation comes to stop the attacks. So where is Freedom of Speech and expression? Does it exist on this Hub?
    Freedom of speech does not mean you have a right to freedom from speech. You have a right to profess your Christian beliefs and others have a right to disagree. No one is denying you your right to express your opinions.

    However, if a thread has nothing to do with the topic of religion and religion continues to be brought in to cloud a debate then moderators have every right to get the discussion back on track per community rules. If a moderator asks for a discussion to get back on track and that is ignored then a moderator has every right to flag posts for violating community rules.
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Does the Hub recognize the value in our Constitution or does it seek to rewrite their OWN?
    The DemocraticHub is not a religious website nor have we ever professed to be. The website has every right, as a private entity, to moderate forum discussions to keep them in line with the website rules. That is not violating any of your Constitutional rights. You choose to participate in the forums and by doing so you are agreeing to adhere to the website rules.
  • Democrat
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    However, within less than two hours.............my faith expressions were attacked. There was no intellectual conversation..............just an attack, slander and name calling antagonizing the writer.

    It is very clear who is against social rights on religion and having the right to express them. Yes, very clear!!!!!

    I went back to read the attacks on JC and saw similar revolting dribble in antagonize and ridicule. Shame, shame, shame! This is what humanity is evolving into as a hate mongering group of people. No different than ISIS, KKK, Westboro Baptist Church, and people murdering Police, children and enslaving the innocent. This is our New World coming to our doorstep and bred by hate mongering.

    If religion was so bad than how come throughout history there are periods of bad times with people running to the nearest religious gathering. Why does bad times motivate people to seek God? I don't see the non-religious community having the answers that help people. It's like Obamacare, where the Republicans are trying to destroy it, but they have no fix for health care for all. The non-religious try to destroy our religions, but they have no fix for humanity ills. Where's the hospitals, the schools and Universities, and the Samaritan aid to a sick world? Sure, you can name a few, but just look at the abundant numbers of help to society religion has given to society..............amazingly different when you make the comparison. I'll stick to religion and defend my freedom for speech in defense of religious rights. May God Bless!
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I understand your frustration with people expressing their own beliefs that don't conform to yours, but that doesn't mean any moderator on this website is restricting your personal freedom of speech.
  • Center Left
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Having been removed for sometime and casually viewing the conversations on a number of subjects, it is apparent and hard to dismiss that Freedom of Speech is being violated by the moderators. To be a Christian and profess as such and identifying those that attack the faiths of others it is very clear that being Christian is abhorrent to hold such a belief. Why?

    If you look back through the history fling of the submissions, you will find Christians are attacked relentlessly and no moderation comes to stop the attacks. So where is Freedom of Speech and expression? Does it exist on this Hub?

    Does the Hub recognize the value in our Constitution or does it seek to rewrite their OWN?
    Can you please cite any examples?

    Additionally; like Jared said, you are free to express yourself, but freedom of speech does not garauntee a platform from which to speak nor does it prevent your ideas from being analyzed, criticized and addressed. This is how a normal, rational conversation is carried out. An idea is expressed, that idea is weighed and measured and then is either dismissed as a bad idea or accepted as a good idea. Sometimes old ideas are reevaluated and put through the same process.

    Christianity, as with other religions, is an idea that doesn't stand up to that scrutiny. It is a bad idea. I won't get into specifics here, but it just doesn't meet the criteria.

    Finally, the Constitution guarantees you Freedom of Speech, which means the government can't lock you away for your speech or ideas. It doesn't mean every idea a person has is a good one and should be respected. And it doesn't mean people can go to whatever forum they want and just start speaking. Essentially, moderators on any website can erase/remove any post they wish and in no way, shape or form does it violate 1st Amendment rights.

    But that would be a terrible strategy to keep forum activity up. Here, we are quite laxed in moderation. You can pretty much voice any idea you have and as long as you aren't personally attacking people. However, if you do voice your idea, be prepared to actually discuss it and not for everyone to just automatically agree with you.
  • Democrat
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    Zach F Wrote:
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Having been removed for sometime and casually viewing the conversations on a number of subjects, it is apparent and hard to dismiss that Freedom of Speech is being violated by the moderators. To be a Christian and profess as such and identifying those that attack the faiths of others it is very clear that being Christian is abhorrent to hold such a belief. Why?

    If you look back through the history fling of the submissions, you will find Christians are attacked relentlessly and no moderation comes to stop the attacks. So where is Freedom of Speech and expression? Does it exist on this Hub?

    Does the Hub recognize the value in our Constitution or does it seek to rewrite their OWN?
    Can you please cite any examples?

    Additionally; like Jared said, you are free to express yourself, but freedom of speech does not garauntee a platform from which to speak nor does it prevent your ideas from being analyzed, criticized and addressed. This is how a normal, rational conversation is carried out. An idea is expressed, that idea is weighed and measured and then is either dismissed as a bad idea or accepted as a good idea. Sometimes old ideas are reevaluated and put through the same process.

    Christianity, as with other religions, is an idea that doesn't stand up to that scrutiny. It is a bad idea. I won't get into specifics here, but it just doesn't meet the criteria.

    Finally, the Constitution guarantees you Freedom of Speech, which means the government can't lock you away for your speech or ideas. It doesn't mean every idea a person has is a good one and should be respected. And it doesn't mean people can go to whatever forum they want and just start speaking. Essentially, moderators on any website can erase/remove any post they wish and in no way, shape or form does it violate 1st Amendment rights.

    But that would be a terrible strategy to keep forum activity up. Here, we are quite laxed in moderation. You can pretty much voice any idea you have and as long as you aren't personally attacking people. However, if you do voice your idea, be prepared to actually discuss it and not for everyone to just automatically agree with you.
    What criteria are you applying to Christianity that would hold up to whose scrutiny? Christianity is a faith based on the life of Jesus the Christ, whose followers attempt to live as He did, hence the name Christian, that is the only requirement that is needed other than a firm belief in both the Divinity of Jesus and also his Humanism. How is that a bad idea?
  • Center Left
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    johnnycee Wrote:
    Zach F Wrote:
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Having been removed for sometime and casually viewing the conversations on a number of subjects, it is apparent and hard to dismiss that Freedom of Speech is being violated by the moderators. To be a Christian and profess as such and identifying those that attack the faiths of others it is very clear that being Christian is abhorrent to hold such a belief. Why?

    If you look back through the history fling of the submissions, you will find Christians are attacked relentlessly and no moderation comes to stop the attacks. So where is Freedom of Speech and expression? Does it exist on this Hub?

    Does the Hub recognize the value in our Constitution or does it seek to rewrite their OWN?
    Can you please cite any examples?

    Additionally; like Jared said, you are free to express yourself, but freedom of speech does not garauntee a platform from which to speak nor does it prevent your ideas from being analyzed, criticized and addressed. This is how a normal, rational conversation is carried out. An idea is expressed, that idea is weighed and measured and then is either dismissed as a bad idea or accepted as a good idea. Sometimes old ideas are reevaluated and put through the same process.

    Christianity, as with other religions, is an idea that doesn't stand up to that scrutiny. It is a bad idea. I won't get into specifics here, but it just doesn't meet the criteria.

    Finally, the Constitution guarantees you Freedom of Speech, which means the government can't lock you away for your speech or ideas. It doesn't mean every idea a person has is a good one and should be respected. And it doesn't mean people can go to whatever forum they want and just start speaking. Essentially, moderators on any website can erase/remove any post they wish and in no way, shape or form does it violate 1st Amendment rights.

    But that would be a terrible strategy to keep forum activity up. Here, we are quite laxed in moderation. You can pretty much voice any idea you have and as long as you aren't personally attacking people. However, if you do voice your idea, be prepared to actually discuss it and not for everyone to just automatically agree with you.
    What criteria are you applying to Christianity that would hold up to whose scrutiny? Christianity is a faith based on the life of Jesus the Christ, whose followers attempt to live as He did, hence the name Christian, that is the only requirement that is needed other than a firm belief in both the Divinity of Jesus and also his Humanism. How is that a bad idea?
    There are plenty of threads that address this, but let's not turn this one into a religious talk
  • Independent
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    Shall we argue theology? Shall we note the contradictions in the inerrant word of God? Or the "we'll interpret it the way we want" word of God? Just so you don't feel picked on johnnycee and amcmurryfreedom we note that Islamic and Jewish scripture are equally riddled with contradiction. Profess and bleat what you wish. I will argue should I so choose and profess and bleat what I believe. You are free to argue as well. Just stop playing the martyr card it ill suits you.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Let's not argue theology on this thread because there are countless other threads that argue whether there is a God or not. That in and of itself proves that this website is not trampling on anyone's freedom of speech, but unfortunately some of our Christian members, and millions of Christians in this country, think that anyone who has the audacity to disagree with them is trampling on their Constitutional rights.

    Freedom of speech is a bedrock principle of our entire democracy, but that doesn't mean that someone can say their rights are being infringed upon just because someone disagrees with them. A religious person has every right to express their belief in God, but an atheist has every right to call their beliefs nonsense that aren't based on anything other than fanciful thinking. Both people believe they are right and both people have every right to express those opinions both on this website and in our country.

    Where the line is drawn is when someone, usually a religious person, thinks that their rights trump everyone else's rights and try to act like someone disagreeing with them is infringing on their Constitutional rights. That's just nonsense and invites a forceful rebuttal from anyone who grasps what Freedom of Speech actually means.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: Let's not argue theology on this thread because there are countless other threads that argue whether there is a God or not. That in and of itself proves that this website is not trampling on anyone's freedom of speech, but unfortunately some of our Christian members, and millions of Christians in this country, think that anyone who has the audacity to disagree with them is trampling on their Constitutional rights.

    Freedom of speech is a bedrock principle of our entire democracy, but that doesn't mean that someone can say their rights are being infringed upon just because someone disagrees with them. A religious person has every right to express their belief in God, but an atheist has every right to call their beliefs nonsense that aren't based on anything other than fanciful thinking. Both people believe they are right and both people have every right to express those opinions both on this website and in our country.

    Where the line is drawn is when someone, usually a religious person, thinks that their rights trump everyone else's rights and try to act like someone disagreeing with them is infringing on their Constitutional rights. That's just nonsense and invites a forceful rebuttal from anyone who grasps what Freedom of Speech actually means.
    Precisely, Jared.
  • Liberal
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    Ha, ha, Christians complianing about censorship here! That's a good one, especially when Dutch and my posts, in response to all this foolishness, get deleted!

    Christians are never happy unless they are trying to force others to live according to their beliefs, no matter how twisted.

    It certainly is a strange world out there, but then agin, it's all part of God's plan (she just hasn't let us in on it yet)!
  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Having been removed for sometime and casually viewing the conversations on a number of subjects, it is apparent and hard to dismiss that Freedom of Speech is being violated by the moderators. To be a Christian and profess as such and identifying those that attack the faiths of others it is very clear that being Christian is abhorrent to hold such a belief. Why?
    Specifics please? How is someone disagreeing with your religious beliefs violating your Freedom of Speech?

    If your accusation that this website views Christianity as abhorrent were true then moderators would remove this thread, but it has not been removed, nor will it be.
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: If you look back through the history fling of the submissions, you will find Christians are attacked relentlessly and no moderation comes to stop the attacks. So where is Freedom of Speech and expression? Does it exist on this Hub?
    Freedom of speech does not mean you have a right to freedom from speech. You have a right to profess your Christian beliefs and others have a right to disagree. No one is denying you your right to express your opinions.

    However, if a thread has nothing to do with the topic of religion and religion continues to be brought in to cloud a debate then moderators have every right to get the discussion back on track per community rules. If a moderator asks for a discussion to get back on track and that is ignored then a moderator has every right to flag posts for violating community rules.
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Does the Hub recognize the value in our Constitution or does it seek to rewrite their OWN?
    The DemocraticHub is not a religious website nor have we ever professed to be. The website has every right, as a private entity, to moderate forum discussions to keep them in line with the website rules. That is not violating any of your Constitutional rights. You choose to participate in the forums and by doing so you are agreeing to adhere to the website rules.
    Jared; absolutely correct; you state it the way it is. Indeed this is a political discussion site, not an military nor religious one. Amen.
  • Independent
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    The only message I have for AMC and J.C. is, if there is a discussion, discuss the subject, don't twist words and "read" what others wrote and absorb if it may be correct; often I find that J,C. reads the opposite of what I wrote. Also often "reality" is not accepted; thus throw in "human" written "bible" quotes or army robot doctrine which is the easy way out in a discussion instead of standing with both feet on the ground and letting your brain work for a change. Figure out things for yourself; forget the indoctrination. Come with proof!!! As an example Schmidt always comes with proof so does Lonely and Jared and others.
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    johnnycee Wrote:
    Zach F Wrote:
    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Having been removed for sometime and casually viewing the conversations on a number of subjects, it is apparent and hard to dismiss that Freedom of Speech is being violated by the moderators. To be a Christian and profess as such and identifying those that attack the faiths of others it is very clear that being Christian is abhorrent to hold such a belief. Why?

    If you look back through the history fling of the submissions, you will find Christians are attacked relentlessly and no moderation comes to stop the attacks. So where is Freedom of Speech and expression? Does it exist on this Hub?

    Does the Hub recognize the value in our Constitution or does it seek to rewrite their OWN?
    Can you please cite any examples?

    Additionally; like Jared said, you are free to express yourself, but freedom of speech does not garauntee a platform from which to speak nor does it prevent your ideas from being analyzed, criticized and addressed. This is how a normal, rational conversation is carried out. An idea is expressed, that idea is weighed and measured and then is either dismissed as a bad idea or accepted as a good idea. Sometimes old ideas are reevaluated and put through the same process.

    Christianity, as with other religions, is an idea that doesn't stand up to that scrutiny. It is a bad idea. I won't get into specifics here, but it just doesn't meet the criteria.

    Finally, the Constitution guarantees you Freedom of Speech, which means the government can't lock you away for your speech or ideas. It doesn't mean every idea a person has is a good one and should be respected. And it doesn't mean people can go to whatever forum they want and just start speaking. Essentially, moderators on any website can erase/remove any post they wish and in no way, shape or form does it violate 1st Amendment rights.

    But that would be a terrible strategy to keep forum activity up. Here, we are quite laxed in moderation. You can pretty much voice any idea you have and as long as you aren't personally attacking people. However, if you do voice your idea, be prepared to actually discuss it and not for everyone to just automatically agree with you.
    What criteria are you applying to Christianity that would hold up to whose scrutiny? Christianity is a faith based on the life of Jesus the Christ, whose followers attempt to live as He did, hence the name Christian, that is the only requirement that is needed other than a firm belief in both the Divinity of Jesus and also his Humanism. How is that a bad idea?
    J.C. is "reality" a bad idea? Since this a discussion site, then I guess "real things" can not be denied; fantasy or pure indoctrination can be attacked. Proof things for a change; reality hurts for indoctrinated people.