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    With Primary Time coming up Fairly Soon ---- Early in 2016
    It is never TOO EARLY ---- TO FIGURE OUT A BASIC STRATEGY.

    Get together lots of archival footage of wars, protests, oil spills, people in long voting lines, etc.

    Demonstrate the (false) IDEOLOGY of the Republican "right wing" in memorable clips of footage.

    (1) clips of OIL spill footage, various times & places (environmental devastation & waste)

    (2) clips of people waiting in long lines to VOTE (various places), due to GOP restrictive new laws.

    (3) clips of various locations for "sit-ins" of OCCUPY WALL STREET -- showing how ordinary Americans, unarmed & peaceful people, were brutally attacked by police, who beat & maced them, & dragged them through the street, & arrested them like criminals. // Note this was not at all the same as when they beat up the rioters in Ferguson & Baltimore who set fires, --- but OCCUPY was totally non-violent & peaceful, un-armed assembly, of mostly young college students.

    (4) clips showing alarming build-up in U.S. cities of Military Hardware & vehicles, like in a War Zone. At immense cost to taxpayers. In recent times, they are
    used for mostly COP BRUTALITY against un-armed male citizens.

    (5) newsreel film of multiple wars, all over the Middle East, starting with IRAQ (a lying war due to phoney WMD) caused by Geo "W" Bush, mostly to kill leader Saddam Hussein, so Bush could steal the OIL. This led to instability of the whole Middle East & multiple wars, costing the USA billions & trillions$$, the loss of thousands of dead US soldiers, & losing the trust of our allies. Show: scenes of multiple bombings & drone strikes, leaving many countries devastated rubble.

    (6) newsreel footage of David Duke (of Louisiana) running for President as a Republican--- at a KKK (Klan rally) where they burn crosses & get a lot of people worked up to do violence against Negroes in the South. (NOTE: David Duke was a grand wizard of the KKK). Also, discover that he was also a neo-NAZI (for those of you NAZI (Hitler) lovers out there. Lots of people "keeping in shape" by goose-stepping around wearing the Swastika. Golly, does anybody remember that we actually WON the WW-2 ? (They just don't teach school like they used to -- with Facts). // But PLEASE NOTICE that the political LEADERS who are IN all the neo-Nazi groups, & the Ku-Klux-Klan groups -- are Republicans. (FASCISM Central). -- Always keep that little fact in mind.

    (7) Remember how the GOP are always saying how "Christian" they are? They can be piously seen in a church pew on a big Holiday like Easter or Christmas? Pretending they know any words in the Bible, or even what Jesus taught? // But the TRUTH comes out, often in subtle ways. Think about the first days in IRAQ, after the huge "shock & awe" that blasted Iraq to smithereens, -- right after Saddam had offered to "debate" George Bush on satellite TV, so that the whole world could watch and decide who was telling the truth." George Bush was sitting in rapt attention as the "innocent" nation was blown to bits, by US bombs, so as to silence Saddam forever. (IRAQ was an "innocent" nation, that had never threatened us OR attacked us" -- & their leader, Saddam had just offered a Debate on international TV, so the world could decide who was telling the truth. Many do not know how educated Saddam was, he was a very rational man, & had tried to be a good ally to the USA. He was giving education to women, not forcing them to wear a burqua, Saddam had written books with beautiful pictures in them by American artists. Saddam wore American style clothing, listened to American music, & he built a Peace Palace, with beautiful enormous Flying Doves engraved on the walls. (Does an evil rotten warrior do that?) - Of course Bush, Jr laughed gleefully, as U.S. bombers demolished that beautiful Peace Palace to rubble.

    (8) Also, REMEMBER this: newsreel footage of prisoners at Abu-Ghraib (in Iraq?) --- Where they put gunny sacks on people's heads & chained them, and water-boarded them, and TORTURED them, to get "false" confessions. While Cheney & Bush grinned and laughed, & acted like what they were doing was
    acceptable by "civilized" people. (NOPE). And not acceptable by "Christian" people, either. But, of course, Bush & family are "so Christian" they don't need to be in accordance with most human laws. -- They walk on water.--- OR DO THEY? ---- YOU CAN DECIDE, at the Voting Booth. // Coming soon, near You.

    (9) And NOW A WORD from OUR SPONSOR: Showing a beautiful picture of Jesus, with flowers & sunshine & Nature all around him: There are many happy people wearing Peace Signs. --- Beautiful fountains reflecting rainbows, --- & soft choir music of peace & love.

    Voice of Jesus: ----------------------"Blessed are the PEACE-MAKERS, ------ for they shall be called "The Children of God." ------ (Matthew 5 : 9)

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    eternal flame Wrote: With Primary Time coming up Fairly Soon ---- Early in 2016
    It is never TOO EARLY ---- TO FIGURE OUT A BASIC STRATEGY.

    Get together lots of archival footage of wars, protests, oil spills, people in long voting lines, etc.

    Demonstrate the (false) IDEOLOGY of the Republican "right wing" in memorable clips of footage.

    (1) clips of OIL spill footage, various times & places (environmental devastation & waste)

    (2) clips of people waiting in long lines to VOTE (various places), due to GOP restrictive new laws.

    (3) clips of various locations for "sit-ins" of OCCUPY WALL STREET -- showing how ordinary Americans, unarmed & peaceful people, were brutally attacked by police, who beat & maced them, & dragged them through the street, & arrested them like criminals. // Note this was not at all the same as when they beat up the rioters in Ferguson & Baltimore who set fires, --- but OCCUPY was totally non-violent & peaceful, un-armed assembly, of mostly young college students.

    (4) clips showing alarming build-up in U.S. cities of Military Hardware & vehicles, like in a War Zone. At immense cost to taxpayers. In recent times, they are
    used for mostly COP BRUTALITY against un-armed male citizens.

    (5) newsreel film of multiple wars, all over the Middle East, starting with IRAQ (a lying war due to phoney WMD) caused by Geo "W" Bush, mostly to kill leader Saddam Hussein, so Bush could steal the OIL. This led to instability of the whole Middle East & multiple wars, costing the USA billions & trillions$$, the loss of thousands of dead US soldiers, & losing the trust of our allies. Show: scenes of multiple bombings & drone strikes, leaving many countries devastated rubble.

    (6) newsreel footage of David Duke (of Louisiana) running for President as a Republican--- at a KKK (Klan rally) where they burn crosses & get a lot of people worked up to do violence against Negroes in the South. (NOTE: David Duke was a grand wizard of the KKK). Also, discover that he was also a neo-NAZI (for those of you NAZI (Hitler) lovers out there. Lots of people "keeping in shape" by goose-stepping around wearing the Swastika. Golly, does anybody remember that we actually WON the WW-2 ? (They just don't teach school like they used to -- with Facts). // But PLEASE NOTICE that the political LEADERS who are IN all the neo-Nazi groups, & the Ku-Klux-Klan groups -- are Republicans. (FASCISM Central). -- Always keep that little fact in mind.

    (7) Remember how the GOP are always saying how "Christian" they are? They can be piously seen in a church pew on a big Holiday like Easter or Christmas? Pretending they know any words in the Bible, or even what Jesus taught? // But the TRUTH comes out, often in subtle ways. Think about the first days in IRAQ, after the huge "shock & awe" that blasted Iraq to smithereens, -- right after Saddam had offered to "debate" George Bush on satellite TV, so that the whole world could watch and decide who was telling the truth." George Bush was sitting in rapt attention as the "innocent" nation was blown to bits, by US bombs, so as to silence Saddam forever. (IRAQ was an "innocent" nation, that had never threatened us OR attacked us" -- & their leader, Saddam had just offered a Debate on international TV, so the world could decide who was telling the truth. Many do not know how educated Saddam was, he was a very rational man, & had tried to be a good ally to the USA. He was giving education to women, not forcing them to wear a burqua, Saddam had written books with beautiful pictures in them by American artists. Saddam wore American style clothing, listened to American music, & he built a Peace Palace, with beautiful enormous Flying Doves engraved on the walls. (Does an evil rotten warrior do that?) - Of course Bush, Jr laughed gleefully, as U.S. bombers demolished that beautiful Peace Palace to rubble.

    (8) Also, REMEMBER this: newsreel footage of prisoners at Abu-Ghraib (in Iraq?) --- Where they put gunny sacks on people's heads & chained them, and water-boarded them, and TORTURED them, to get "false" confessions. While Cheney & Bush grinned and laughed, & acted like what they were doing was
    acceptable by "civilized" people. (NOPE). And not acceptable by "Christian" people, either. But, of course, Bush & family are "so Christian" they don't need to be in accordance with most human laws. -- They walk on water.--- OR DO THEY? ---- YOU CAN DECIDE, at the Voting Booth. // Coming soon, near You.

    (9) And NOW A WORD from OUR SPONSOR: Showing a beautiful picture of Jesus, with flowers & sunshine & Nature all around him: There are many happy people wearing Peace Signs. --- Beautiful fountains reflecting rainbows, --- & soft choir music of peace & love.

    Voice of Jesus: ----------------------"Blessed are the PEACE-MAKERS, ------ for they shall be called "The Children of God." ------ (Matthew 5 : 9)

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    Eternal ( you better change the "eternal" code; it does not exist; nothing is eternal, even in space) Anyway about a "picture of "Jesus" and "Voice of Jesus" please be so kind to be so kind to show the "real" picture of this "human" guy and a life recording of his voice; as well some real writing of the guy himself.
    I would appreciate that.
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    Hi Dutch: I was trying to imagine a fast-running "commercial" --- with quick newsreel footage --- showing all the horrible things pertaining to War & corruption from the Bush & Cheney years in office. It was horrible, upsetting, & depressing to recall those unhappy years -- when the GOP was in charge. I thought that it might work as a campaign issue -- to remind people of what it would become AGAIN, --- if people put another GOP administration in the Oval Office. And we have even MORE WARS, --- & police brutality --- & economic disaster --- & people like David Duke running for office. Just a little Peek at our Future -- or NOT.
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    eternal flame Wrote: Hi Dutch: I was trying to imagine a fast-running "commercial" --- with quick newsreel footage --- showing all the horrible things pertaining to War & corruption from the Bush & Cheney years in office. It was horrible, upsetting, & depressing to recall those unhappy years -- when the GOP was in charge. I thought that it might work as a campaign issue -- to remind people of what it would become AGAIN, --- if people put another GOP administration in the Oval Office. And we have even MORE WARS, --- & police brutality --- & economic disaster --- & people like David Duke running for office. Just a little Peek at our Future -- or NOT.
    Sure Eternal, I was just teasing you; of course I would like that this country starts caring about its own people instead of trying to start wars all over the place because they do not act as we want. Socialism and communism are dirty words here, but people here don't even know what it is or means. I'm not much in favor of communism; but capitalism with a good mixture of socialism might work.
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    Do you think live footage of the Bush years would scare people into voting? I think it is horrifying all the things the GOP did. It is like a fantastic nightmare. And I don't know what can be done in "nice polite" language. Some days I WISH I could get a point across with sweet soft-spoken sugar-plum language. But it is really hard to describe the Devil with angelic adjectives.

    The friendly old elephant, (once the Republican Party), has been "killed" & they substituted the Raging Bull (of Wall Street) in its place. They all profit from ENDLESS WARS, (and Jesus was the Prince of PEACE) so what the GOP are actually doing is becoming the ANTI-CHRIST..// No matter what religion you are (or aren't) America is now in DANGER --- World War III is right around the corner, & we will have to fight financial sabotage, internal catastrophe, global warfare, & the breakdown of civilization, -- to name just a few. But there is always some little reason left to HOPE.

    The poor little caterpillar lives its life crawling on the ground, often in the darkness, afraid of being eaten by birds. Then, one day, for reasons unknown, it crawls onto a branch, & slowly develops a cocoon around itself. It appears to be dead. It just sits there for a very long time. Silently, the days & nights go by, without any sign of life. Then one day, the cocoon begins to open. & within minutes, a new creature appears. It sits there, blinking its eyes in wonderment. It does not know what to do next. Then a slight gust of wind makes it shiver, & then spread its wings. And in the next few minutes, a miracle occurs. What had been a lowly thing crawling in the dirt, has become a glorious butterfly, excitedly fluttering in the breeze, just before its joyous leap out into the sunshine.

    MORAL: If God cared enough to save the little caterpillar from its dark cold cocoon, -- then why would God not want to save US from our dark cold tomb? And if the little caterpillar was given wings to seek its brand new life --- why couldn't God give US wings (maybe to be angels) in our new life? (Just a thought).
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    eternal flame Wrote: Do you think live footage of the Bush years would scare people into voting? I think it is horrifying all the things the GOP did. It is like a fantastic nightmare. And I don't know what can be done in "nice polite" language. Some days I WISH I could get a point across with sweet soft-spoken sugar-plum language. But it is really hard to describe the Devil with angelic adjectives.

    The friendly old elephant, (once the Republican Party), has been "killed" & they substituted the Raging Bull (of Wall Street) in its place. They all profit from ENDLESS WARS, (and Jesus was the Prince of PEACE) so what the GOP are actually doing is becoming the ANTI-CHRIST..// No matter what religion you are (or aren't) America is now in DANGER --- World War III is right around the corner, & we will have to fight financial sabotage, internal catastrophe, global warfare, & the breakdown of civilization, -- to name just a few. But there is always some little reason left to HOPE.

    The poor little caterpillar lives its life crawling on the ground, often in the darkness, afraid of being eaten by birds. Then, one day, for reasons unknown, it crawls onto a branch, & slowly develops a cocoon around itself. It appears to be dead. It just sits there for a very long time. Silently, the days & nights go by, without any sign of life. Then one day, the cocoon begins to open. & within minutes, a new creature appears. It sits there, blinking its eyes in wonderment. It does not know what to do next. Then a slight gust of wind makes it shiver, & then spread its wings. And in the next few minutes, a miracle occurs. What had been a lowly thing crawling in the dirt, has become a glorious butterfly, excitedly fluttering in the breeze, just before its joyous leap out into the sunshine.

    MORAL: If God cared enough to save the little caterpillar from its dark cold cocoon, -- then why would God not want to save US from our dark cold tomb? And if the little caterpillar was given wings to seek its brand new life --- why couldn't God give US wings (maybe to be angels) in our new life? (Just a thought).
    Moral? May I suggest that caterpillars are not humans; and nothing from outerspace cares about caterpillars or humans; if you want wings buy an airplane ticket; your word HOPE says it all; it is just hope based on illusions, programmed by the same people who preach gloom and doom, if you do not follow their orders: Your caterpillar and you will burn in hell. Sorry no one will save you or me from a "dark cold tomb"; just visit any tomb on this world and check its contents. Ever heard of evolution? We as neanderthalers were never meant to have wings; we invented those ourselves. Ask Delta. By the way do you want the same lifespan as a butterfly? Be my guest !!
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    I totally understand your point of view, Dutch. But the facts remain that approx 80% of Americans are Christians. So unless they are all delusional or imbeciles, it must have some merit or purpose in the world. The REASON for the "caterpillar" story is an amazing coincidence between stark reality & Myth. We who are lifelong Christians have been told of winged creatures who arrive at important times in History, to announce a birth or a resurrection. Millions of famous artists have made glorious paintings of angels, all over the world, for several hundred years. No big deal . But this just demonstrates that a belief in angels has always been going on in most civilizations around the world. AND there is no concrete proof of that to point to..Except that some amazing unbelievable thing happens all over the world, -- is that a little tiny caterpillar, creates a little cocoon around itself (like a burial shroud) & hibernates in there for a certain amount of time, and then, like a Miracle, it comes alive again, --- & it has unimagineably grown Wings, & then it flies away!! (This is NOT a Myth, or an Illusion, or a magical trick)..
    So, in plain LOGIC, if it can happen to a caterpillar, --- under the very same laws of Nature ---- it COULD happen to human beings. Just because we did not see it, does not mean it could not happen. And millions of times in HISTORY, they have given accounts of "seeing angels" --- & the Bible tells about it frequently.

    Before you malign a lot of American heroes, by saying that Christians are delusional or having less than legitimate experiences, just remember that MOST of our Founding Fathers were Christians, & there were possibly a couple of Deists, & a Quaker. But unquestionably, our Founders were among the greatest moral men, & intellectual men of their time. Reading their books, you can see the depth of their knowledge, & the character of their thoughts, which were used to develop our democracy. And if you want to suggest that THEY were superstitious or somehow impaired, you will face a great deal of contradiction & scorn.
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    eternal flame Wrote: Do you think live footage of the Bush years would scare people into voting? I think it is horrifying all the things the GOP did. It is like a fantastic nightmare. And I don't know what can be done in "nice polite" language. Some days I WISH I could get a point across with sweet soft-spoken sugar-plum language. But it is really hard to describe the Devil with angelic adjectives.

    The friendly old elephant, (once the Republican Party), has been "killed" & they substituted the Raging Bull (of Wall Street) in its place. They all profit from ENDLESS WARS, (and Jesus was the Prince of PEACE) so what the GOP are actually doing is becoming the ANTI-CHRIST..// No matter what religion you are (or aren't) America is now in DANGER --- World War III is right around the corner, & we will have to fight financial sabotage, internal catastrophe, global warfare, & the breakdown of civilization, -- to name just a few. But there is always some little reason left to HOPE.

    The poor little caterpillar lives its life crawling on the ground, often in the darkness, afraid of being eaten by birds. Then, one day, for reasons unknown, it crawls onto a branch, & slowly develops a cocoon around itself. It appears to be dead. It just sits there for a very long time. Silently, the days & nights go by, without any sign of life. Then one day, the cocoon begins to open. & within minutes, a new creature appears. It sits there, blinking its eyes in wonderment. It does not know what to do next. Then a slight gust of wind makes it shiver, & then spread its wings. And in the next few minutes, a miracle occurs. What had been a lowly thing crawling in the dirt, has become a glorious butterfly, excitedly fluttering in the breeze, just before its joyous leap out into the sunshine.

    MORAL: If God cared enough to save the little caterpillar from its dark cold cocoon, -- then why would God not want to save US from our dark cold tomb? And if the little caterpillar was given wings to seek its brand new life --- why couldn't God give US wings (maybe to be angels) in our new life? (Just a thought).
    ef, your question is simply the flip side of the theological question of why does God allow pain and suffering. Theology has the advantage that its base assertions cannot be questioned without the entire edifice crumbling. They are true because they must be true. If they are not true then what? This is at the heart of why man exists and what is man's purpose. Priests and theologians posit that man exists because God created a being to worship him. An odd idea. The Gnostics view the creator differently in some of their cosmology. The creator was not God but a lesser being since the ot makes the statement that God is a jealous God. And the creator is asked who has he to be jealous of? I am not saying some of the Gnostics are correct but simply putting forth an idea. What makes their cosmology heretical and mainstream religion orthodox and correct? Because the priests say so.

    as for your idea regarding agitprop I wish you well but you would be unsuccessful. To list all that has happened as a result of republican transgressions ignores the actions of democrats that gave contributed to the problem including Clinton signing the repeal of glass-steagall for example. Furthermore the tipping point has not arrived. There simply is not enough interest as the masses seek only to make it to their next paycheck and generally do not give a damn about the Middle East or other issues other than some people are killed with which some people identify (generally Christians) while other people are ignored or relegated to being statistics. And finally such a project would never make it passed the documentary watched by some stage.

    if you seek to establish a narrative you must be aware that your target audience is "we the people" and until we the people are faced dead on with catastrophic circumstances change isn't happening because we the people don't care as a whole.
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    Somehow I detect that someone has hi-jacked the "thread" of this post, & turned it into an argument about angels and religion. PLEASE TRY TO STICK TO THE TOPIC, ---- which is Strategy for the ELECTION of 2016. OR IS SOMEONE AFRAID of the Discussion of REPUBLICAN MISDEEDS & ILLEGAL ACTIONS?

    Hillary and Bernie are of course great candidates. Elizabeth Warren is also, although she insists that she will not run for President. So I think it will be easy to find reasons for Voting Against, whatever candidate is "bought & paid for" by the Republicans. WHO DO YOU THINK WILL BE THE GOP NOMINEE next year?

    IF WE WANT TO CONCENTRATE on MORE JOBS FOR AMERICANS, --- the Solution is NOT as simple as we may think. Sending JOBS OVERSEAS, is NOT the WHOLE PROBLEM.l Believe it or not, some of the problem is OUR TECHNOLOGY. (AUTOMATION) Machines are doing the jobs, NOT PEOPLE, And it is not easily solved, either. (This again is partially due to OVER-POPULATION --- The TiME has come for cutting world population drastically. WE MUST USE MORE BIRTH CONTROL and yes, even Abortion. OR ELSE MOTHER NATURE WILL DO IT FOR US, and Millions will DIE OF STARVATION & DISEASE.

    Have YOU got any Solutions for these Major PROBLEMS? -- DO NOT TRUST THE MAJOR CORPORATIONS (especially GOP) WHICH HAVE LED TO ALL THESE PROBLEMS. (THEY ARE DAILY TRYING TO CUT DOWN WOMEN'S RIGHTS). EVEN OUR RIGHTS TO VOTE. -- IF THEY EVER DO THAT, YOU MUST BE PREPARED to FIGHT. (It took us 144 years to get the right to Vote the first time, (We just got it in 1920). Women had to march in the streets, and were put into jail, & beaten & starved & raped by the guards, before we got the Right to VOTE. --- NEVER LET THAT INJUSTICE HAPPEN AGAIN..
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    eternal flame Wrote: Somehow I detect that someone has hi-jacked the "thread" of this post, & turned it into an argument about angels and religion. PLEASE TRY TO STICK TO THE TOPIC, ---- which is Strategy for the ELECTION of 2016. OR IS SOMEONE AFRAID of the Discussion of REPUBLICAN MISDEEDS & ILLEGAL ACTIONS?

    Hillary and Bernie are of course great candidates. Elizabeth Warren is also, although she insists that she will not run for President. So I think it will be easy to find reasons for Voting Against, whatever candidate is "bought & paid for" by the Republicans. WHO DO YOU THINK WILL BE THE GOP NOMINEE next year?

    IF WE WANT TO CONCENTRATE on MORE JOBS FOR AMERICANS, --- the Solution is NOT as simple as we may think. Sending JOBS OVERSEAS, is NOT the WHOLE PROBLEM.l Believe it or not, some of the problem is OUR TECHNOLOGY. (AUTOMATION) Machines are doing the jobs, NOT PEOPLE, And it is not easily solved, either. (This again is partially due to OVER-POPULATION --- The TiME has come for cutting world population drastically. WE MUST USE MORE BIRTH CONTROL and yes, even Abortion. OR ELSE MOTHER NATURE WILL DO IT FOR US, and Millions will DIE OF STARVATION & DISEASE.

    Have YOU got any Solutions for these Major PROBLEMS? -- DO NOT TRUST THE MAJOR CORPORATIONS (especially GOP) WHICH HAVE LED TO ALL THESE PROBLEMS. (THEY ARE DAILY TRYING TO CUT DOWN WOMEN'S RIGHTS). EVEN OUR RIGHTS TO VOTE. -- IF THEY EVER DO THAT, YOU MUST BE PREPARED to FIGHT. (It took us 144 years to get the right to Vote the first time, (We just got it in 1920). Women had to march in the streets, and were put into jail, & beaten & starved & raped by the guards, before we got the Right to VOTE. --- NEVER LET THAT INJUSTICE HAPPEN AGAIN..
    Guess what?, who hijacked this subject by throwing in "bible" statements? Sorry to say you and the 80% as well the 80% Muslims all got it wrong they are indeed all imbeciles because they refuse to accept FACTS. Anyway guess who will hijack our elections via your hypocrite preachers? How many more wars will be fought because of "conviction" in something you can't prove?
    Butterflies have more brains than people; they don't "believe", they don't polute, they aren't hypocrites, they don't kill; they have no guns; they have no money; they don't know greed; they are not Christians or Muslims; they have no police; they don't know what hunger is; they don't write stupid bibles or Korans; they don't meddle; they don't bribe; they don't fart; they don't deplete the worlds resources; they don't become dictators; they don't need clothes; they don't have Fox news; they fly but don't throw bombs; they have no football teams; they do not need psychiatric help either. Thus the message from the butterfly is get rid of all these things and be happy, Don't let the religious "herd" run your life.
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    Thanks, lonely bird, for your thoughtful ideas. You are quite a philosopher (aren't you)? Amazing. -- IF ONLY WE COULD LIVE FOREVER (& still have good equilibrium), we might have a chance to find the solutions. But now its up to the next generation, which does not really seem to give a damn. Oh well, whatever happens will be exciting to watch. From behind our bullet-proof solarium, on a pristine mountain top, with filtered water supply from melted snow. Your trained eagles will bring you a fresh dinner, from whatever they can carry, in one trip per day. News from satellite TV will tell of War progress with whatever enemy has survived the last skirmishes. Everyone has forgotten what the latest war was all about. Thank goodness I can still play a worn disc of "Blue Hawaii" by Elvis. It still works a little bit, unless the last avalanche shook it loose from my back pack. BUT WHY WORRY? They say the Dow Jones is still climbing pretty good.
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    eternal flame Wrote: Somehow I detect that someone has hi-jacked the "thread" of this post, & turned it into an argument about angels and religion. PLEASE TRY TO STICK TO THE TOPIC, ---- which is Strategy for the ELECTION of 2016. OR IS SOMEONE AFRAID of the Discussion of REPUBLICAN MISDEEDS & ILLEGAL ACTIONS?

    Hillary and Bernie are of course great candidates. Elizabeth Warren is also, although she insists that she will not run for President. So I think it will be easy to find reasons for Voting Against, whatever candidate is "bought & paid for" by the Republicans. WHO DO YOU THINK WILL BE THE GOP NOMINEE next year?

    IF WE WANT TO CONCENTRATE on MORE JOBS FOR AMERICANS, --- the Solution is NOT as simple as we may think. Sending JOBS OVERSEAS, is NOT the WHOLE PROBLEM.l Believe it or not, some of the problem is OUR TECHNOLOGY. (AUTOMATION) Machines are doing the jobs, NOT PEOPLE, And it is not easily solved, either. (This again is partially due to OVER-POPULATION --- The TiME has come for cutting world population drastically. WE MUST USE MORE BIRTH CONTROL and yes, even Abortion. OR ELSE MOTHER NATURE WILL DO IT FOR US, and Millions will DIE OF STARVATION & DISEASE.

    Have YOU got any Solutions for these Major PROBLEMS? -- DO NOT TRUST THE MAJOR CORPORATIONS (especially GOP) WHICH HAVE LED TO ALL THESE PROBLEMS. (THEY ARE DAILY TRYING TO CUT DOWN WOMEN'S RIGHTS). EVEN OUR RIGHTS TO VOTE. -- IF THEY EVER DO THAT, YOU MUST BE PREPARED to FIGHT. (It took us 144 years to get the right to Vote the first time, (We just got it in 1920). Women had to march in the streets, and were put into jail, & beaten & starved & raped by the guards, before we got the Right to VOTE. --- NEVER LET THAT INJUSTICE HAPPEN AGAIN..
    one is not afraid of a litany of republican/conservative misdeeds. That being said oppositional agitprop has the advantage of superior debate framing for the past 40 years. Look at the meme of government is the problem. IMO republicans of the Eisenhower ilk would never have said that. They may have had disagreement as to where government should intervene but did not view government itself as the issue. Yet this meme resonated with people when spoken by the false god Reagan, talk of worshipping idols. So now we have a party committed to the actual destruction of government at least in campaign promises without anyone forcing them to say what would take its place. Of course once elected we see continuation of distortion by the elites which is simply government used differently and for the benefit of the few. And of course we must note that the dorms accept largesse from the f.i.r.e. sector as well as keeping the revolving door open as witnessed by geithner being in Obama's first administration and other Wall Street insiders showing up as well.

    now, as for jobs we must note that certainly automation plays a role as does the so-called flexible labor market which is not flexible for labor but for capital. Beyond that we note creative destruction which continues with product/service development is no longer labor creating as in the large steel mills or car plants of years gone by. Creative destruction is now labor destroying. We will no longer see large scale manufacturing that employs thousands of people in good paying jobs. Indeed, IMO, the concept of a job itself is going the way of the horse and buggy. Wages will be generated by everyone being an entrepreneur. Witness Airbus and the like. That such so-called sharing economy depresses wages is breezed over. That the elderly will be expected to continue working and competing with the young in a more aggressive cut-throat economy is again breezed over. No, we must bow to technology and branding and the blatant foolishness of franchises, be your own boss schemes and everybody get a cdl.

    the jobs aren't coming back.

    i have been reading Russell Brand's "revolution" which while at times new agey also calls up the idea of democracy being what is necessary to end the rule by elites. It will not be easy to overturn a system so loaded with triumphalist mythology but the time is rapidly approaching when it will happen. The world cannot exist with a few gated communities and the vast majority relegated to near lawless ghettos that gave broadband in an attempt to keep the masses quiet.