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Who are the real free-loaders

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  • Democrat
    Julian, CA
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    For decades many members of the U.S. Congress waxed eloquent about all those millions of free-loaders plaguing America and the truth is; the worst free-loaders in America are members of the U.S. Congress who are getting $180,000 a year plus the best benefits in the country for doing absolutely nothing for years toward resolving America's serious problems and instead are representing the greedy, corrupt interests of the Robber Barons, the Military Industrial Complex and the Israeli Government.
    Members of the U.S. Congress are nothing more then a den of thieves stealing from the people and are not worth a plug nickel.
    Members of the U.S. Congress should only be getting paid the minimum wage and only if they actually solve a serious problem like reforming the U.S. Government.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    progressiveconnie Wrote: For decades many members of the U.S. Congress waxed eloquent about all those millions of free-loaders plaguing America and the truth is; the worst free-loaders in America are members of the U.S. Congress who are getting $180,000 a year plus the best benefits in the country for doing absolutely nothing for years toward resolving America's serious problems and instead are representing the greedy, corrupt interests of the Robber Barons, the Military Industrial Complex and the Israeli Government.
    Members of the U.S. Congress are nothing more then a den of thieves stealing from the people and are not worth a plug nickel.
    Members of the U.S. Congress should only be getting paid the minimum wage and only if they actually solve a serious problem like reforming the U.S. Government.
    Connie, I think certain CEO's are even worse; they let a company go broke and get a bonus for it. By the way who "votes" these Congress people in? I guess the dumb southern red neck "Americans?" and the 1%. No, if they would solve a problem they'll be fired. Let alone if they become whistle blowers.
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    Durham, NH
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    Can you spell K O C H brothers?
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    pr Wrote: Can you spell K O C H brothers?
    No, my English spelling is kind of bad, but I can count to ten. Connie said ..........reform the Government...... . Personally I think as long as "capitalism, i.e. money is involved then not any reform will help.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    I wouldn't say that our elected officials are necessarily free loaders, but the corporations they give massive handouts to are.

    Many of our elected officials are there because they genuinely want to enact positive changes in our country, but they soon find out the people who hold the real power are the ones who prop up their campaign war chests. That's why our Congresspeople spend a few hours a day legislating and the rest of their time begging rich donors for as much money as they possibly can.

    There is a way to stop this nonsense in its tracks and take money completely out of politics, but it would require a Constitutional amendment. And those are extremely hard to ratify. Up and until that happens, or up and until the Supreme Court takes the extremely rare step of overruling itself, we are stuck with the system we have.
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    Ft.myers, FL
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: I wouldn't say that our elected officials are necessarily free loaders, but the corporations they give massive handouts to are.

    Many of our elected officials are there because they genuinely want to enact positive changes in our country, but they soon find out the people who hold the real power are the ones who prop up their campaign war chests. That's why our Congresspeople spend a few hours a day legislating and the rest of their time begging rich donors for as much money as they possibly can.

    There is a way to stop this nonsense in its tracks and take money completely out of politics, but it would require a Constitutional amendment. And those are extremely hard to ratify. Up and until that happens, or up and until the Supreme Court takes the extremely rare step of overruling itself, we are stuck with the system we have.
    In other words we wait until a new civil war starts or the bottom falls out; looks like Napoleon all over; he did stick to his plan to the end as well.
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    Dutch Wrote: In other words we wait until a new civil war starts or the bottom falls out; looks like Napoleon all over; he did stick to his plan to the end as well.
    I'm not as fatalistic as that. I like to compare our government to an alcoholic who hasn't been able to admit they have a problem yet. They have to hit rock bottom before picking themselves back up. The same can be said about our government. The only thing that has ever propelled them to make real, concrete, and lasting changes for the better is a true crisis. And we will eventually have an electoral crisis sooner or later. My guess is that it's going to happen sooner rather than later. But I do warn that 'sooner' in my opinion is within a decade or two, not a month from now.

    What's going on in America is nothing new. Rich people have always tried to buy our government, but every once in awhile the people stand up and say no. We rose up to bring an end to the Gilded Age only to have rich people reclaim their power shortly thereafter. We rose up during FDR's tenure only to have rich people reclaim their power when corporations convinced America that capitalism and Christianity were one in the same. And we did in the 1960's and the Civil Rights era only to have Reagan come in and fuck everything up again.

    So history shows us that we, the people, are able to reclaim our government time and time again. But we will have to fight for it because the ruling class never gives it up very easily.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: In other words we wait until a new civil war starts or the bottom falls out; looks like Napoleon all over; he did stick to his plan to the end as well.
    I'm not as fatalistic as that. I like to compare our government to an alcoholic who hasn't been able to admit they have a problem yet. They have to hit rock bottom before picking themselves back up. The same can be said about our government. The only thing that has ever propelled them to make real, concrete, and lasting changes for the better is a true crisis. And we will eventually have an electoral crisis sooner or later.

    What's going on in America is nothing new. Rich people have always tried to buy our government, but every once in awhile the people stand up and say no. We rose up to bring an end to the Gilded Age only to have rich people reclaim their power shortly thereafter. We rose up during FDR's tenure only to have rich people reclaim their power when corporations convinced America that capitalism and Christianity were one in the same. And we did in the 1960's and the Civil Rights era only to have Reagan come in and fuck everything up again.

    So history shows us that we, the people, are able to reclaim our government time and time again. But we will have to fight for it because the ruling class never gives it up very easily.
    Jared, thanks; I hope it works as you said and there will not be any bloodshed. Sorry to be a bit negative, but getting money out of elections will be an uphill battle. The way it is now pumping in billions to get a President is crazy for sure.
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, thanks; I hope it works as you said and there will not be any bloodshed. Sorry to be a bit negative, but getting money out of elections will be an uphill battle. The way it is now pumping in billions to get a President is crazy for sure.
    It will be one hell of an uphill battle, but I do think we will eventually correct the tragic mistake the Supreme Court made. It won't happen over night, but I am confident that the people will eventually stand up and say enough is enough.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Jared, thanks; I hope it works as you said and there will not be any bloodshed. Sorry to be a bit negative, but getting money out of elections will be an uphill battle. The way it is now pumping in billions to get a President is crazy for sure.
    It will be one hell of an uphill battle, but I do think we will eventually correct the tragic mistake the Supreme Court made. It won't happen over night, but I am confident that the people will eventually stand up and say enough is enough.
    I'm afraid you under-estimate the power of the 1% as well industries who keep plugging their influence. The lobby system is the culprit and baked into this society. How can you change it without compromise? I've noticed in this country that "laws" here are always done half ass; like in FL you still can text and drive, but you get only fined if you caused an accident by using it. Ridiculous indeed. (Texting while driving should be "totally" banned as well cellphones. In Europe they just ban these things and only hands free is allowed). But here every rule has an "escape" built in in it .That's why I'm very skeptical that "money" in elections will continue forever and may get only a "soft" makeover if ever people get fed up with it. It always has worked this way here.