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  • Democrat
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    The events of the past few nights have captured the Nation for the past few days, now that the worst seems to have passed ,any thoughts as to the true nature of the riots with the spark being the death of the man in police custody, I refused to believe that the riots are to be laid at the feet of those peaceful demostratorers,
  • Liberal
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    When you systematically deprive a whole race of people of their rights and treat them like animals for 100's of years they eventually rebel. We are witnessing the beginning of the end right now.

    Power to the people!!!!Thumbs UpThumbs UpThumbs Up

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  • Independent
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    johnnycee Wrote: The events of the past few nights have captured the Nation for the past few days, now that the worst seems to have passed ,any thoughts as to the true nature of the riots with the spark being the death of the man in police custody, I refused to believe that the riots are to be laid at the feet of those peaceful demostratorers,
    J.C. as long as they refuse to check for instance how Sweden, Australia qualifies people for their police force it is a lost cause. As long as you alow ex-military people in your police force you get this. Also as I said a hundred times during the Ferguson case; the training here is based on militay standards; like target practice to shoot on the heart only, as well hitting and boxing etc. training in order to inflict maximum damage on any civilians,because they have the uniforms, power and authority. In civil countries that is not the case. Which country has the highest percentage of people in jail? Guess. Ask L.A.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    But the cops did not respond to the evenings outrageous behavior by many in that community, also their police force is 48% black and the population reflects a 68% black population, with the governing officials all being black, so it wasn't the presence of the police that prompted this mess, it seems that the governing political party has been in power since 1962 and the people realize that these officials are not working for them, do you think this might be a factor also, and with high unemployment and a bad school system and a diminishing tax base , I think these politicians better start checking their ego's and their mirror image and start learning how to govern which starts first at listening.
  • Center Left
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    Dutch Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: The events of the past few nights have captured the Nation for the past few days, now that the worst seems to have passed ,any thoughts as to the true nature of the riots with the spark being the death of the man in police custody, I refused to believe that the riots are to be laid at the feet of those peaceful demostratorers,
    J.C. as long as they refuse to check for instance how Sweden, Australia qualifies people for their police force it is a lost cause. As long as you alow ex-military people in your police force you get this. Also as I said a hundred times during the Ferguson case; the training here is based on militay standards; like target practice to shoot on the heart only, as well hitting and boxing etc. training in order to inflict maximum damage on any civilians,because they have the uniforms, power and authority. In civil countries that is not the case. Which country has the highest percentage of people in jail? Guess. Ask L.A.
    Do ANY of the cops involved have any military background? I'm pretty sure that military background doesn't play any role in what is going on.
  • Independent
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    johnnycee Wrote: But the cops did not respond to the evenings outrageous behavior by many in that community, also their police force is 48% black and the population reflects a 68% black population, with the governing officials all being black, so it wasn't the presence of the police that prompted this mess, it seems that the governing political party has been in power since 1962 and the people realize that these officials are not working for them, do you think this might be a factor also, and with high unemployment and a bad school system and a diminishing tax base , I think these politicians better start checking their ego's and their mirror image and start learning how to govern which starts first at listening.
    Sure J.C. I agree for a change with you. The point I'm trying to make that since Ferguson, I would think any policeforce would by now know enough on how to treat civilians; thus not. I absolutely can not understand this country, they seem to repeat the same mistakes over and over again even in wars and politics.
    Like I said in many mails why don't they learn from their mistakes?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    When police treat the people they are sworn to protect and serve as the enemy then you get what you have in Baltimore and countless other cities. I don't care what color cops are--once they put that uniform on many tend to think they are above the law and not enforcers of it. Baltimore is one of many cities where cops treat their poor population as the enemy and not the people they are supposed to protect. They harass them, beat them, and kill them--often without any punishment whatsoever. They harass them for driving, for walking, for standing, and for any other reason they can come up with to cop a feel and show them who the boss is.

    Cops need to have a wake up call and realize that people of color are not the enemy and they can't just do whatever they want with them. Why else would these sadistic cops shackle someone up, throw them in the back of a police van, and drive so recklessly that they severed his damn spine? What the hell is wrong with those cops? And this is not an isolated incident. The city of Baltimore has paid millions of dollars to victims of police brutality because their cops are batshit crazy, but instead of anyone doing anything about it they just sweep it under the rug and act like there's nothing to see.
  • Independent
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    Zach F Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: The events of the past few nights have captured the Nation for the past few days, now that the worst seems to have passed ,any thoughts as to the true nature of the riots with the spark being the death of the man in police custody, I refused to believe that the riots are to be laid at the feet of those peaceful demostratorers,
    J.C. as long as they refuse to check for instance how Sweden, Australia qualifies people for their police force it is a lost cause. As long as you alow ex-military people in your police force you get this. Also as I said a hundred times during the Ferguson case; the training here is based on militay standards; like target practice to shoot on the heart only, as well hitting and boxing etc. training in order to inflict maximum damage on any civilians,because they have the uniforms, power and authority. In civil countries that is not the case. Which country has the highest percentage of people in jail? Guess. Ask L.A.
    Do ANY of the cops involved have any military background? I'm pretty sure that military background doesn't play any role in what is going on.
    Zach you are wrong; it plays a huge role in attitude; we as civilians are seen as the enemy. As I said many times my neighbor is a State trooper he admits that the training is mostly "using force" and "defending yourself"; very little on "human" phycology or interface; target shooting on the "heart" and "torso" only. Sorry 3 quarter in the police were in the military before; their "bully" tactic is inbred. I guess they do not learn on how not to break a spine. Even if the cops involved had no military background they follow the same discipline and the militarism of others in the force which will "rub' off automaticaly especially if the top of the corps is ex military. In other countries that is seldom the case, ask Sweden,Switserland etc.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: In other countries that is seldom the case, ask Sweden,Switserland etc.
    Dutch--I thought of you when I saw this video of Swedish cops subduing a fight in NYC the other day:



    If only our cops treated our citizens with as much respect as these Swedish cops did. Every American cop should watch how other countries handle things without shooting first and asking questions later. And maybe Baltimore cops would realize that shackling someone up and severing their spine was something they didn't have to do.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    it doesn't really matter if you have a military background or not , the only advantage that having prior military service is that you know what the Chain of Command represents and you know how to follow orders. Most of the military focuses on team work a good trait to have in any enterprise,I would venture to say that not all of those cops that were involved in shootings had prior Military service, not counting special ops teams that is, so to make a blanket statement that paints with a broad brush that if the cops did not have military service these shooting might not have happened is just wrong, using that logic then all arsonists were boy scouts who were taught how to make a fire.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: it doesn't really matter if you have a military background or not , the only advantage that having prior military service is that you know what the Chain of Command represents and you know how to follow orders. Most of the military focuses on team work a good trait to have in any enterprise,I would venture to say that not all of those cops that were involved in shootings had prior Military service, not counting special ops teams that is, so to make a blanket statement that paints with a broad brush that if the cops did not have military service these shooting might not have happened is just wrong, using that logic then all arsonists were boy scouts who were taught how to make a fire.
    Freddie Gray was murdered by police as they were giving him a joy ride while shackled in the back of a police van. He wasn't shot by police, he was murdered in another, unique way that cops keep finding to murder unarmed citizens who pose zero threat to them.

    I encourage you to watch the video that's posted above. You might finally learn something about how other countries police forces do things without always always resorting to using deadly force.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Job descriptions

    Police - serve and protect

    Military - blindly obey orders without question, shoot to kill, divide and conquer

    Someone isn't doing their job, they are doing someone else's job instead!
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: it doesn't really matter if you have a military background or not , the only advantage that having prior military service is that you know what the Chain of Command represents and you know how to follow orders. Most of the military focuses on team work a good trait to have in any enterprise,I would venture to say that not all of those cops that were involved in shootings had prior Military service, not counting special ops teams that is, so to make a blanket statement that paints with a broad brush that if the cops did not have military service these shooting might not have happened is just wrong, using that logic then all arsonists were boy scouts who were taught how to make a fire.
    Freddie Gray was murdered by police as they were giving him a joy ride while shackled in the back of a police van. He wasn't shot by police, he was murdered in another, unique way that cops keep finding to murder unarmed citizens who pose zero threat to them.

    I encourage you to watch the video that's posted above. You might finally learn something about how other countries police forces do things without always always resorting to using deadly force.
    Thanks Jared; you understand what I mean. J.C. does not seems to understand that "authority" in any "group" runs the show; in the police force it is because of the uniforms, medals stickers etc a message of "authority" if you then add any military background or training to it, then it becomes " you can't touch me" attitude. I'm totally convinced that plenty ex Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan military ended up in police forces; it shows. More or less an Gestapo bully attitude, even if you get a speeding ticket they treat you as the enemy.
  • Independent
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    pr Wrote: Job descriptions

    Police - serve and protect

    Military - blindly obey orders without question, shoot to kill, divide and conquer

    Someone isn't doing their job, they are doing someone else's job instead!
    P.R. you got it right; most of the "heads" of police are ex Vietnam thus have likely the same "syndrome" like McCain has.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Dutch, you have got it so wrong I wonder if you are really serious,In philly the PD has approx. 6500 active officers, less than 1% are veterans,also out of that 6500 , maybe 2000 or so are actually doing patrol work, the rest are divided up into the detective Divisions and other administration roles, so come on you don't know what you are talking about, it is more about what you think than what you know. Here in philly the last 4 or more Police Commissoners had no prior military service . The Philly. sheriff's office with about 200 deputies again less than 1% have prior military service including the last 5 Sheriff's who have none.