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    Have you ever wondered if any of "US" -- You and Me -- had done what the Republicans have done --- would we have gotten off scott-free afterwards? Is it just my imagination, or are the rules a whole lot different, for Republicans than for Democrats?

    Right now, the Repubs are worrying about how one of the most honorable women in U.S. History has used her own "email" account? That's just insane. She has done more for America in one year than the whole Republican Party has done in the past 50 years. But the GOP (bribed & well-paid) media hacks will tell a whole different story, since they know that brain-washed people are incapable of using logic & analytical reasoning to make political decisions. And the 57 years of immense "conservative" brain-washing has been ongoing thru TV & radio & secret orgns (like the John Birch Society) since 1958. They have taken over the GOP so that "rational" & sane candidates cannot even be heard anymore. And NOW the John Birch Society has entered its most recent phase, called the TEA PARTY, where people who wear funny hats & spout irrational slogans are free to parade around & announce "we have come to take our country back."

    THESE SAME PEOPLE have been "rigging U.S. elections" in every way possible for 50 years, & twice they have done it by assassination. The evidence is piling up more and more that the assassination of John F. Kennedy was NOT done by Lee Harvey Oswald. But Birchers were involved in the brain-washing of Dallas people, & writing the pamphlets that accused JFK of "Treason" on the very day he was killed. Since Birch Society leadership is made up of several GOP millionaires, they could easily afford to pay for multi-media coverage, purchase radio stations, organize thousands of meetings, to brain-wash the American people to believe their subversive message. Now they have taken over the whole GOP, & you can see that the "red" color is getting bigger on any Map. It only proves that "money talks" and that a "free" people can be manipulated out of their freedom, if enough millionaires want it so. Think about it.
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    eternal flame Wrote: Have you ever wondered if any of "US" -- You and Me -- had done what the Republicans have done --- would we have gotten off scott-free afterwards? Is it just my imagination, or are the rules a whole lot different, for Republicans than for Democrats?

    Right now, the Repubs are worrying about how one of the most honorable women in U.S. History has used her own "email" account? That's just insane. She has done more for America in one year than the whole Republican Party has done in the past 50 years. But the GOP (bribed & well-paid) media hacks will tell a whole different story, since they know that brain-washed people are incapable of using logic & analytical reasoning to make political decisions. And the 57 years of immense "conservative" brain-washing has been ongoing thru TV & radio & secret orgns (like the John Birch Society) since 1958. They have taken over the GOP so that "rational" & sane candidates cannot even be heard anymore. And NOW the John Birch Society has entered its most recent phase, called the TEA PARTY, where people who wear funny hats & spout irrational slogans are free to parade around & announce "we have come to take our country back."

    THESE SAME PEOPLE have been "rigging U.S. elections" in every way possible for 50 years, & twice they have done it by assassination. The evidence is piling up more and more that the assassination of John F. Kennedy was NOT done by Lee Harvey Oswald. But Birchers were involved in the brain-washing of Dallas people, & writing the pamphlets that accused JFK of "Treason" on the very day he was killed. Since Birch Society leadership is made up of several GOP millionaires, they could easily afford to pay for multi-media coverage, purchase radio stations, organize thousands of meetings, to brain-wash the American people to believe their subversive message. Now they have taken over the whole GOP, & you can see that the "red" color is getting bigger on any Map. It only proves that "money talks" and that a "free" people can be manipulated out of their freedom, if enough millionaires want it so. Think about it.
    Eternal, why worry? If they "win" we all have to swear that the world is only 6000 years old and we all have to mandatory attend church, So no problem. The only problem I see, is I have to give them a mandatory donation each time I pray in these churches to get rid of these assholes.
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    HOW THE REPUBLICANS CHEATED AMERICA OUT OF THEIR DEMOCRACY. (Lies, Bribery, Murder, & Treason).

    (1) A dozen Republican "millionaire" Business Leaders got together on Dec 9, 1958, (in Indianapolis) & figured out a way to subvert the U.S. Government, how to brain-wash the American people, and how to gradually destroy Democracy (from within) --

    (2) At the TOP was a Republican businessman -- Robert Welch -- (who had been a candy manufacturer).
    He gathered a group of 11 GOP businessmen together, for a long meeting (2 full days). For that time, he did most of the talking. Brief discussions during the intermission. Welch set forth all his reasons why the situation was so bad, & why these millionaires should unite to correct it. He told a few untruths but nobody even tried to disagree. Eventually, he set himself up to be the unquestioned LEADER, and then he let them know, that this was to be a pattern, that HE was the Leader, & everybody else had better keep their mouth shut & OBEY.

    (3) One of the MOST "suspicious" things he began to spout (early on) was that the U.S. is NOT a DEMOCRACY. (That they even believed that for one minute
    is proof that GOP businessmen are NOT the brightest bulbs in the pack. They should know that WE ARE A Democracy & that the FOUNDING Fathers DID
    INTEND for us to be a Democracy. ---
    (Patterned after Athens, Greece) -- **(See: Thomas Paine).

    (4) If you understand what Democracy IS, it is "Government of the people, by the people, & for the people" --- & it means that we have a government that is led by the citizens themselves,-- NOT a king or a Monarchy. /// It is BASICALLY a system where the "citizens VOTE". (And THEY make their own Rules).

    (5) But very quickly, all these adored "leaders of industry and business" who were present at Welch's house, fell for his BS hook, line & sinker. Either they were all dumber than a box of rocks, or they wanted to see the practice of "democracy" disappear. THEY wanted to usurp the legitimate power given to the people &
    take it for themselves. (This is: theft, subversion, & outright Treason).

    (6) All the members of the John Birch Society, (began in 1958) by Robt Welch --- were Republican millionaires, & owned businesses in the United States. It
    was very easy for them to exert all their money & power, to influence the general population.

    (7) They outlined propaganda they could use to convince the U.S citizens that there were "enemies" in America, & that only the Birch Society could "save" them from those awful enemies. They would call those enemies "communists, socialists, (or whatever) & outline all the ways our people could use to eliminate that scourge out of our nation. They would claim that most of those "horrible people" were in the Democratic Party. & thus use this hate campaign to get rid of their main political opposition. Soon the Hate Campaign had begun. The awful LIES and HATE they spread were directly responsible for the deaths of both John F. Kennedy and his brother (Attorney General) Robert Kennedy. (1963 & 1968). /// This eliminated having to DEFEAT those 2 very popular men in an election.

    (8) The Birch machine (of millions of $$) was used to buy radio stations, to pay for GOP politicians commercials, to put Republican professional speakers on radio 24/7 (like Rushbo Limberger). They distributed magazines & pamphlets all over the USA, in doctor's offices, waiting rooms, on airlines. They OWNED many magazines, By 1960, they had several Birch professors installed at Universities. (To brain-wash our students). And in more recent times, they have
    bought "home-schooling" distributors, so they could "profit" by brain-washing our students (at home) to believe total lies and baloney. In some rural areas in America, the students' only education is from Rushbo Radio, & "fake" homeschooling programs, sold by GOP brain-washing experts. As a total result, in many rural areas, the kids now have the lowest IQ ever on record, for human beings living in the United States. And they vote Republican, of course.

    (9) Have you noticed how in many parts of the USA, we have "Teachers" who are getting paid to FALSIFY TESTS done by their students -- to pretend that their students might actually be as intelligent as a chimpanzee.(?) It is appalling, incredible, fantastic ---- but TRUE. Either kids are so dumb, or the teachers are so crooked (or maybe Both) ---- these kids could never graduate without Teachers "faking" all their test results. THIS IS BAD, Folks. This should be TOP BILLING in our Newspapers. /// AMERICA -- LEADER of the FREE WORLD -- is a Nation of Morons. (& Voters for people like Bush, Cruz, Cheney, ad infinitum).

    (10) Did I fail to mention that they ALSO used the CHURCHES?
    Welch knew that the Pulpits of America were very powerful in influencing the behavior of their congregations. We are a very Christian nation, (80%) & we also have a lot of Jewish people, & many other denominations. If the JBS could harness all that faith, energy, & enthusiasm, to THEIR cause, then it would magnify their audience and political power a million times. So very early on, the Birchers began to infiltrate the churches. They even had married couples go to TWO separate churches, attend frequently, & thus, DOUBLE their influence in the community. By frequent attendance, donations, & getting "cozy" with the minister,
    Birchers were soon able to manipulate the "message" coming from the pulpit. And they could even gang up & get several JBS members to threaten to "fire" the minister, if his sermons were not "right-wing" enough. HOW EASY to subvert even our Religions in America to push the Birch line, (ie) to say bad things about Hillary or Kennedy, or President Obama). That is how they've got the right-wing Congregations in the South all brain-washed to vote for the dumbest, ignorant fools you have ever seen. NOW do you BEGIN to REALIZE what has been happening for 57 Years? -- How right-wing subversion is destroying Democracy?
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    eternal flame:


    You've raised a number of very good points.

    I've read a couple of books recently that relate to the Kennedy assassination. One is "Bound by Honor", by Salvatore Bonanno, and the other is "The Immortals", by Michael Korda. A summary of both can be found at the link below:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-kennedy-assassination-and-other.html

    The House of Representatives concluded in 1976 that there WAS probably a conspiracy to kill Kennedy, but subsequent meetings of various committees concluded otherwise:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_Select_Committee_on_Assassinations

    Claire Connor raised the possibility of the Klan's involvement in Kennedy's assassination in her book, "Wrapped in the flag". Her parents were the first 2 members of the John Birch Society in Chicago.
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    Eternal; there is much more to it than you describe; how about our continuous wars? Just saw an interview on TV about "drone" use; they mentioned that they've killed at least about 4000 people with these "distance killing" tools. The question was asked towards a US government "representative" who totally beat around the bush, about if these were all terrorists who got killed. I bet it is a considerable number more civilians than terrorists. Often ground (CIA) info is in-accurate.
    The question I raised many times ; what is the result, came up. Indeed as I said they hate us only more and more, because we invade/meddle on their soil and country. No wonder they get more drastic like ISIS. Indeed who is the idiot who keeps allowing this; it seems it is a "free" game here, to use this all around the world; I guess we think the "world" belongs to us and throw these things around without thinking about any consequences. We cross all kinds of borders with this "tool" without any respect to such borders; who the hell we think we are?
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    How George W. Bush got ELECTED PRESIDENT by "RIGGING" his Election in year 2000. As you may know, it is ILLEGAL to "RIG" an election in the United States of America." The Founding Fathers would tend to be outraged, and even get VIOLENT, if they knew this had happened.

    Suffice it to say, that somehow that election (for President) boiled down to the vote in FLORIDA, where just very coincidentally George's brother JEB happened to be the Governor. How lucky can you get? And in the mandatory ballot counting, somehow nobody in the Florida Administration of Jeb Bush could manage to count the ballots!! (something about hanging chads, if you recall). So after counting the ballots for a day or so, Jeb would suddenly "stop the recount" & everybody would have to quit. Then after a day or more, they would start up counting again. Of course, this was very exhausting & confusing, & people were going blind and comatose from all the exertion. Finally, since nobody in Jeb's Administration could be determined to be able to count past 666 --- they just had to "give up" --- & throw the whole Election into the Supreme Court. (First time this was ever done in U.S. History).

    So then, THEY get to decide the ballot count, to decide who won the election. Of course, it never hurts if your own father got to appoint a few Judges to the Supreme Court, a few years earlier, when HE was President (Bush #41). (Could there possibly be any "bias" there?) Oh, NO, --- (ahem), of course not.

    So a man named Al Gore, -- a most honest decent man, a man who first TOLD THE WORLD that there might be something called GLOBAL WARMING and CLIMATE CHANGE ---- (he had many fellow believers in the United Nations & around the world) --- that man who still believes that the TRUTH is going to be
    OBVIOUS VERY SOON --- (and Yes, it is) --- this great man was deprived of his Presidency --- due to some GOP crooks.
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    let us step back for a second.

    we are NOT a democracy and the founders despite paine's assertions did not intend this to be a democracy. the athenian model is based upon a small city-state. there is no way that the united states can be run as a direct democracy. we need only look at the mess made in california by ballot initiatives to see the fallacy. that being said we are democratic republic, at least in theory. the founders were very wary of factions, political factions. and they were also wary of "the people." they most certainly believed that the elites would run the country. that the people would elect them, indirectly due to illusions that somehow a large state would trample a small state when in fact the states should have no say whatsoever in the election of president. that the people in various states get to elect representatives shows the will of the people, in theory, and not the state. the state and factions in point of fact by use of gerrymandering unduly influence the will of the people.

    all of that being said the democratic republic has must certainly been subverted. no, imo, kennedy's assassination was not republicans or the john birch society. that is conspiracy theory and must be treated as such. and actually a novel written by stephen hunter looks at an intriguing theory that the work was done by a very small group, 3 iirc from reading the novel, led by a disgruntled cia operative.

    link to to a review of the novel: jfkfacts.org/assassination/review/stephen-hunters-third-bullet-rethinks-the-jfk...

    as regards theories involving the cia as a whole, the mafia, the john birch society et al they suffer from the three worst words in the conspiracy world "someone else knows."

    so we must discard discussions of jfk when it comes to the issues we face today. the issues and how we have or have not dealt with them are far more mundane. the impact of bernays, freud's nephew, and his work with public relations and propaganda is critical to understanding this. of course he is not alone as we note that the rw has pulled a page or two from lenin. but all of that while certainly contributing to what we have to deal with could not have resulted in the mess were it not for, imo, 2 things.

    the powell memo and money.

    but even then we must consider several other things including the fact that the u.s. stood astride the world at the end of ww2 due to the fact that its economy wasn't simply undamaged by the war but rather that it prospered. the major players not only didn't prosper they were hammered. and of course a combination of politics and personalities played a role in the building of the world based upon the two spheres of influence after the war. we had the marshall plan, nsc-68, the doctrine of containment and the impact of the west in the middle east and oil. we must also add bretton woods to the mix since this stationed the u.s. as the economic power as currencies were chained to the dollar and the dollar pegged to gold. this system would prove unsustainable as we know. there was also the role played by unions in building a middle class in the u.s. which most certainly helped create at least an illusion if not reality of stability in terms of society as a whole. that minorities and women did not share in the stability and prosperity or at best tangentially in the case of women was a failure on the part of those who implemented the changes pushed on the system. time would alter that.

    no, what we have here is decline. it is decline as discussed by kevin phillips in "american theocracy" as well as "wealth and democracya' and "bad money." it is the decline of de-industrilaization and financializationand the rise of distortion.

    distortion is our real enemy. distortion of the political economy by interests that have the power to do so. heinlein wrote in "citizen of the galaxy" that people will do strange things for money but even more drastic things for power over money. money is the means of keeping score as well as a tool to gain more power to gain more points. power to influence the accumulation of the points in the game results in getting more points. that such distortion benefits the few is obvious. changing it is what is not. not because the change that is required isn't there but because the change forces lack the agitprop and debate framing was well as the crisis required to implement said agitprop and debate framing. the internal rot simply has not reached critical mass yet. it is to the benefit of those who wield the levers of power to maintain the rot phase as long as possible since there is profit in chaos, controlled chaos. all out chaos is not profitable and leads potentially to charlatans who can distort the process for their benefit and against the elites.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    eternal flame :

    You're absolutely correct that George W. never won the Presidency - either time. Here's more proof:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2012/02/i-am-not-crook.html
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    Re: George w. Bush and 2000, he did not win the popular vote nor the electoral vote. He was appointed by the scotus, something they had no power to do. However, gore's campaign should have demanded the entire state of Florida be recounted. Since they didn't, iirc, it opened the door for the scotus to stop the partial recount. So we had a fatal mistake by gore's campaign combined with an activist scotus resulted in the fool bush2 getting "elected."

    much to to the detriment of the world.
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    Democrats have a history of this, bringing knives to a gun fight. When will they ever learn politcs isn't beanbags.
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    I don't disagree that there are plenty of things to be angry at Republicans about, but I don't know if I'd call anything they have recently done the most Un-American acts in our nations history. We have plenty of finalists for that distinction, but rich businessmen using our government to get their way doesn't rise to the level of the most heinous acts we've ever seen in this country. Rich businessmen have always used the functions of our government to get their way, but every once in awhile the people say 'no' and push back. It's happened before and it will happen again.

    If we were to really discuss the most Un-American acts in our history then we should bring up the way our forefathers slaughtered the Indians or took Hawaii by force so rich Americans had a place to spend their vacations. Or we could talk about how our government oversees territories without giving those territories the right to self govern or even get an American passport. And don't even get me started on slavery.

    Those are Un-American acts. Rich businessmen using our political system to get their way is American as apple pie. I don't like it, but it's always been this way and will continue to be this way until the American people smarten up and pass a Constitutional Amendment overruling Citizens United. I won't hold my breath for something like that to happen anytime soon.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: I don't disagree that there are plenty of things to be angry at Republicans about, but I don't know if I'd call anything they have recently done the most Un-American acts in our nations history. We have plenty of finalists for that distinction, but rich businessmen using our government to get their way doesn't rise to the level of the most heinous acts we've ever seen in this country. Rich businessmen have always used the functions of our government to get their way, but every once in awhile the people say 'no' and push back. It's happened before and it will happen again.

    If we were to really discuss the most Un-American acts in our history then we should bring up the way our forefathers slaughtered the Indians or took Hawaii by force so rich Americans had a place to spend their vacations. Or we could talk about how our government oversees territories without giving those territories the right to self govern or even get an American passport. And don't even get me started on slavery.

    Those are Un-American acts. Rich businessmen using our political system to get their way is American as apple pie. I don't like it, but it's always been this way and will continue to be this way until the American people smarten up and pass a Constitutional Amendment overruling Citizens United. I won't hold my breath for something like that to happen anytime soon.
    Just a question, since you mentioned Indians; who are Americans anyway; all are imports including me; therefore none of us are Americans; may be we should redesign our flag with a picture of a fully armed drone and a "holy" cross, a police badge and of course an AR15 on it as well a 1000 dollar bill to satisfy the rich.
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    Hello again: In order to take over a "free" people with an entrenched "democracy" --- you have to resort to decades of harsh tactics. It will entail dirty corrupt methods all along the way, & in order to make it "stick" -- you have to have a "brain-washed " public who will swallow it all hook, line, & sinker. That takes a very large (heavily financed) sophisticated propaganda apparatus. But most of the first Birchers were in business, & knew the practices of "advertising" very well. Another word for that is "persuasion". They persuade you to buy whatever they are selling. Using a type of mental manipulation. The first JBS speaker I met was really GOOD. He brought along several suitcases full of literature, pamphlets, etc. I almost fell for it, (the Birch line) but he made one big mistake.

    He said that America was "not a Democracy" --- and since I was fresh out of high school, with an "A" in American Govt, -- I knew that was a LIE. So I politely said goodbye & left, -- but I felt quite sure that the Birch Society was NOT what they pretended it was. It was NOT PATRIOTIC. It was subversive to our govt,
    Looking back on 2 assassinations, rigged elections, unnecessary Wars that were WAR CRIMES, the "payola" way to win elections, propaganda on radio & TV 24/7 -- the "clown circus" for candidates, & the verbal combat waged by Faux News -- it has all been successful, since our nation is now 70% (GOP) controlled

    We are the puppets & they control the strings. They also control most of the MONEY, since they STOLE most of it away from us, & put it into Swiss Bank Accts,
    to avoid paying taxes to Uncle Sam. This makes our Govt "bankrupt" so we can't afford to pay for govt services, like health care, or waging war, or keeping our water clean after GOP oil spills have polluted all our rivers, etc.// They want ETERNAL WARS, so they can steal OIL from all over the world, & meanwhile they can kill off our soldiers, & keep them far away overseas, so there will be NOBODY LEFT HERE to DEFEND US. The Birchers have always had a "foreign" contingent, & I always wondered why. NOW I KNOW. They don't mind destroying America, our environment, our reputation, our way of life, our freedom, our economy, --- Republicans can always hop on their private jets & fly over to Saudi Arabia or France or Switzerland, & live there in peace & tranquility, They own lots of property & have yachts, golf courses & vineyards etc. They have $billions of US dollars (they stole from us) & can live over there Forever. ///
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    eternal flame Wrote: Hello again: In order to take over a "free" people with an entrenched "democracy" --- you have to resort to decades of harsh tactics. It will entail dirty corrupt methods all along the way, & in order to make it "stick" -- you have to have a "brain-washed " public who will swallow it all hook, line, & sinker. That takes a very large (heavily financed) sophisticated propaganda apparatus. But most of the first Birchers were in business, & knew the practices of "advertising" very well. Another word for that is "persuasion". They persuade you to buy whatever they are selling. Using a type of mental manipulation. The first JBS speaker I met was really GOOD. He brought along several suitcases full of literature, pamphlets, etc. I almost fell for it, (the Birch line) but he made one big mistake.

    He said that America was "not a Democracy" --- and since I was fresh out of high school, with an "A" in American Govt, -- I knew that was a LIE. So I politely said goodbye & left, -- but I felt quite sure that the Birch Society was NOT what they pretended it was. It was NOT PATRIOTIC. It was subversive to our govt,
    Looking back on 2 assassinations, rigged elections, unnecessary Wars that were WAR CRIMES, the "payola" way to win elections, propaganda on radio & TV 24/7 -- the "clown circus" for candidates, & the verbal combat waged by Faux News -- it has all been successful, since our nation is now 70% (GOP) controlled

    We are the puppets & they control the strings. They also control most of the MONEY, since they STOLE most of it away from us, & put it into Swiss Bank Accts,
    to avoid paying taxes to Uncle Sam. This makes our Govt "bankrupt" so we can't afford to pay for govt services, like health care, or waging war, or keeping our water clean after GOP oil spills have polluted all our rivers, etc.// They want ETERNAL WARS, so they can steal OIL from all over the world, & meanwhile they can kill off our soldiers, & keep them far away overseas, so there will be NOBODY LEFT HERE to DEFEND US. The Birchers have always had a "foreign" contingent, & I always wondered why. NOW I KNOW. They don't mind destroying America, our environment, our reputation, our way of life, our freedom, our economy, --- Republicans can always hop on their private jets & fly over to Saudi Arabia or France or Switzerland, & live there in peace & tranquility, They own lots of property & have yachts, golf courses & vineyards etc. They have $billions of US dollars (they stole from us) & can live over there Forever. ///
    " NOBODY TO LEFT HERE TO DEFEND US? Wow. There are here more guns then people!! Also don't forget our stash of nukes and they should be affraid by now of our police force; they will break their "spines" in a flash. Also who wants a country without water or infrastructure; poluted beaches, piles of beer cans and landfills and chanty towns as well plenty of homeless. Don't count on the 1% to defend us they will be long gone to their estates somewhere. I guess the southern states don't care anyway, because Jesus will save them from plucking cotton again.
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    Hey Dutch. I'm sure you caught this.

    Huffingtoin Post: Michele Bachmann: The Rapture Is Coming And It's Obama's Fault

    "Michele Bachmann says the rapture is coming, thanks to President Barack Obama’s policies on Iran’s nuclear program and marriage equality.

    In a radio interview last week, Bachmann, the former Minnesota Republican congresswoman, told "End Times" host Jan Markell, “We need to realize how close this clock is getting to the midnight hour.”

    “We in our lifetimes potentially could see Jesus Christ returning to earth and the rapture of the church,” Bachmann said. “We see the destruction, but this was a destruction that was foretold.”"


    This is all you need to know. Good Americans in Minnesota elected her again and again.